Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 2

[KGboss]

Begged for weeks? Seems far fetched. I was just at Yale for 2 days because my son decided to jump off the side of our stairs and he landed head first on the hard tile.

They weren't turning anyone away. They scanned myself and my son at the door before we even got in the building.

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If you're not a minority in Detroit who was trying to get tested and treated for COVID-19, I'm not sure how relevant your experience is.

But hopefully your son is doing alright.

They have a duty to treat they cant turn people away regardless of anyone's race. Have you been to new haven connecticut lately?

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[Slax]

Random thought though: could weaker strains serve as a vaccine against the stronger ones?

Yes - the original "vaccine" was infecting people with cowpox so they were innoculated against smallpox. But we have better ways of producing safe vaccines than using different variants of live unattenuated viruses now.

By the way, I would be cautious about trying to interpret what "30+ strains" means or what the implications are. So far that only really tells us that the virus is mutating quicker than we thought and those mutations might affect virulence (assuming the research is accurate and the implications of that research were correctly interpreted by the media - both uncertain), but it doesn't really tell us much about whether vaccines will have enduring effectiveness or whether people will be protected against re-infection from different strains. As far as I'm concerned those have always been open questions, and I expect them to continue to be open questions for at least several years if not longer.

[Parliament10]

Begged for weeks? Seems far fetched. I was just at Yale for 2 days because my son decided to jump off the side of our stairs and he landed head first on the hard tile.

They weren't turning anyone away. They scanned myself and my son at the door before we even got in the building.

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If you're not a minority in Detroit who was trying to get tested and treated for COVID-19, I'm not sure how relevant your experience is.

But hopefully your son is doing alright.

They have a duty to treat they cant turn people away regardless of anyone's race. Have you been to new haven connecticut lately?

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That's NOT true. I have 2 friends who's Mothers died from COVID-19. One couldn't get tested, for about 2 weeks.
Be cognizant that there is a disparity.

[KGboss]

If you're not a minority in Detroit who was trying to get tested and treated for COVID-19, I'm not sure how relevant your experience is.

But hopefully your son is doing alright.

They have a duty to treat they cant turn people away regardless of anyone's race. Have you been to new haven connecticut lately?

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That's NOT true. I have 2 friends who's Mothers died from COVID-19. One couldn't get tested, for about 2 weeks.
Be cognizant that there is a disparity.

We are all dealing with friends family members and our own family members who are dying...I'm not saying there arent disparities I just find it very hard to believe that someone going constantly to the doctor and being turned away constantly to me sounds unreal. They went every day and they said no every day? At every hospital? They shouldn't have to do all that, but again, the word used was begged for 2 weeks. You going to the ER every day and they have a only whites allowed sign outside? Or is it a more developed issue in those specific areas where no one is being seen and they are all being turned away because they dont have enough services to handle everyone I those specific highly congested areas? It's okay to ask questions.

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[Slax]

If you're not a minority in Detroit who was trying to get tested and treated for COVID-19, I'm not sure how relevant your experience is.

But hopefully your son is doing alright.

They have a duty to treat they cant turn people away regardless of anyone's race. Have you been to new haven connecticut lately?

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That's NOT true. I have 2 friends who's Mothers died from COVID-19. One couldn't get tested, for about 2 weeks.
Be cognizant that there is a disparity.

Yeah, sorry to hear about your friends' mothers, and a few things to note about this story and why it's totally believable this man received inadequate care:

1. EMTALA only guarantees that you will get a screening exam, and that as a result of that screening exam there will be a decision that either you have an emergency condition and you need to be stabilized, or you don't have an emergency and can be immediately discharged. It doesn't guarantee the screening will be correct about whether or not you have an emergency condition. It doesn't guarantee access to medical care for a condition that will become fatal later. It doesn't guarantee comprehensive testing for potentially fatal diseases like COVID-19. What happened here is that he received screenings in multiple emergency rooms, the doctors decided he probably had bronchitis, and he was sent home because it "wasn't an emergency".

2. Access to testing varies significantly between and within states. New York, Washington, and Louisiana have done the most tests per capita. But Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New Jersey are all in the next batch of states that are doing pretty well on per-capita testing. Michigan by contrast has done very little testing compared to the states I listed above, and is probably rationing tests more strictly. But frankly, testing wouldn't have helped much anyway. The results might not have even come back by the time he needed treatment.

3. There are huge racial inequities in access to health care. One of those inequities is that black people's health concerns are taken less seriously by health care workers, so they are frequently discharged without followup for health complaints that white people generally get additional examination or treatment for. Not at all surprising that a black man came to an emergency room with complaints about a potential serious health condition, and he was turned away on the incorrect basis that it was a different minor condition. There's no reason to believe this is intentional so much as a reflection of unconscious bias, but that's zero comfort to the family of the man who died at home after being turned away from three emergency rooms. Or maybe the same thing would have happened to him even if he was white, but it's hard not to frame this in terms of a known and well researched pattern.

[Parliament10]

They have a duty to treat they cant turn people away regardless of anyone's race. Have you been to new haven connecticut lately?

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That's NOT true. I have 2 friends who's Mothers died from COVID-19. One couldn't get tested, for about 2 weeks.
Be cognizant that there is a disparity.

We are all dealing with friends family members and our own family members who are dying...I'm not saying there arent disparities I just find it very hard to believe that someone going constantly to the doctor and being turned away constantly to me sounds unreal. They went every day and they said no every day? At every hospital? They shouldn't have to do all that, but again, the word used was begged for 2 weeks. You going to the ER every day and they have a only whites allowed sign outside? Or is it a more developed issue in those specific areas where no one is being seen and they are all being turned away because they dont have enough services to handle everyone I those specific highly congested areas? It's okay to ask questions.

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I'm glad that for you, this a reality.
But in actuality, you obviously don't understand; what "disparity" in the U.S. mean.

But then again, how could you?

[KGboss]

That's NOT true. I have 2 friends who's Mothers died from COVID-19. One couldn't get tested, for about 2 weeks.
Be cognizant that there is a disparity.

We are all dealing with friends family members and our own family members who are dying...I'm not saying there arent disparities I just find it very hard to believe that someone going constantly to the doctor and being turned away constantly to me sounds unreal. They went every day and they said no every day? At every hospital? They shouldn't have to do all that, but again, the word used was begged for 2 weeks. You going to the ER every day and they have a only whites allowed sign outside? Or is it a more developed issue in those specific areas where no one is being seen and they are all being turned away because they dont have enough services to handle everyone I those specific highly congested areas? It's okay to ask questions.

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I'm glad that for you, this a reality.
But in actuality, you obviously don't understand; what "disparity" in the U.S. mean.

But then again, how could you?

You clearly arent getting what I'm saying

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[Parliament10]

We are all dealing with friends family members and our own family members who are dying...I'm not saying there arent disparities I just find it very hard to believe that someone going constantly to the doctor and being turned away constantly to me sounds unreal. They went every day and they said no every day? At every hospital? They shouldn't have to do all that, but again, the word used was begged for 2 weeks. You going to the ER every day and they have a only whites allowed sign outside? Or is it a more developed issue in those specific areas where no one is being seen and they are all being turned away because they dont have enough services to handle everyone I those specific highly congested areas? It's okay to ask questions.

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I'm glad that for you, this a reality.
But in actuality, you obviously don't understand; what "disparity" in the U.S. mean.

But then again, how could you?

You clearly arent getting what I'm saying

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Ok. Let's just say that we just "see" things differently.
And, I'll leave the conversation, with the following.:

Watch on YouTube

Lyrics
If I could be you, if you could be me
For just one hour
If we could find a way to get inside
Each other's mind

If you could see you through my eyes
Instead your ego
I believe you'd be, I believe you'd be surprised to see
That you've been blind

Walk a mile in my shoes
Walk a mile in my shoes
Yeah, before you abuse, criticize and accuse
Walk a mile in my shoes

Now there are people on reservations
And out in the ghetto
And brother there, but for the grace of god
Go you and I

If I only had the wings
Of a little angel
Don't you know, I'd fly to the top of a mountain
And then I'd cry, cry, cry

Walk a mile in my shoes
Walk a mile in my shoes
Yeah, before you abuse, criticize and accuse
Walk a mile in my shoes

Walk a mile in my shoes
Walk a mile in my shoes
Yeah, before you abuse, criticize and accuse
Walk a mile in my shoes

~ Songwriter: Joe South

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[KGboss]

I'm glad that for you, this a reality.
But in actuality, you obviously don't understand; what "disparity" in the U.S. mean.

But then again, how could you?

You clearly arent getting what I'm saying

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Ok. Let's just say that we just "see" things differently.
And, I'll leave the conversation, with the following.:

Watch on YouTube

Lyrics
If I could be you, if you could be me
For just one hour
If we could find a way to get inside
Each other's mind

If you could see you through my eyes
Instead your ego
I believe you'd be, I believe you'd be surprised to see
That you've been blind

Walk a mile in my shoes
Walk a mile in my shoes
Yeah, before you abuse, criticize and accuse
Walk a mile in my shoes

Now there are people on reservations
And out in the ghetto
And brother there, but for the grace of god
Go you and I

If I only had the wings
Of a little angel
Don't you know, I'd fly to the top of a mountain
And then I'd cry, cry, cry

Walk a mile in my shoes
Walk a mile in my shoes
Yeah, before you abuse, criticize and accuse
Walk a mile in my shoes

Walk a mile in my shoes
Walk a mile in my shoes
Yeah, before you abuse, criticize and accuse
Walk a mile in my shoes

~ Songwriter: Joe South

Watch on YouTube

I think you're assuming just because I have a different opinion than you that I mist automatically be some whitebread whatever.

I guess you should take your own advice.

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[Parliament10]

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[K For Three]

I'm just going to drop this off here.

Now I will run along.

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[zoyathedestroya]

Better with the theme song...

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[exculpatory]

I'm just going to drop this off here.

Now I will run along.

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Mind blowing.
I am speechless.

https://aphelis.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/ASIMOV_1980_Cult_of_Ignorance.pdf

“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”

[threrf23]

The secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services is a lawyer and former drug industry executive, and he put a dog breeder in charge of the agency's day to day coronavirus response.

Explains a lot, IMO.

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[claycarver]

I've been reading a lot about Sweden, and ran across this.

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?s=12

Is it just that they're treating the infected earlier than us so they don't need ventilators, or are we jumping the gun on using ventilators and the ventilator themselves are contributing to deaths? Or is this unrelated?

[SuperDeluxe]

I've been reading a lot about Sweden, and ran across this.

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?s=12

Is it just that they're treating the infected earlier than us so they don't need ventilators, or are we jumping the gun on using ventilators and the ventilator themselves are contributing to deaths? Or is this unrelated?

The same guy (the bad cat) is saying that "there is no evidence that lockdowns reduce deaths and solid evidence they do not."

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So before believing anything this bad cat pushes on Twitter, I would like to make sure he's comparing apples to apples.

I think I'll pass on his information, at least for now.

[zoyathedestroya]

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[Andrew McCeltic]

I'm not big on the "words are dangerous" theme, but when the president is providing misinformation, vaguely, from the office of the presidency.. we do have a 25th Amendment.. isn't he becoming, like, America's Donald Sterling, and we're becoming the Clippers

How long until someone shows up at the ER with a lava lamp stuck up their ass to kill the covid

[zoyathedestroya]

I beg of you, people. DO NOT google "lava lamp up one's ass." Grave mistake. What was I thinking?

[claycarver]

So before believing anything this bad cat pushes on Twitter, I would like to make sure he's comparing apples to apples.

I think I'll pass on his information, at least for now.

Yeah, I don't know anything about this guy and I'm not interested in tying myself to any agenda. Is there anything out there from reputable sources about the overuse of ventilators and a contribution to morbidity?

edit: This matters to me because we will be coming out of isolation before we have a vaccine. So the infection rate will certainly reignite. That's inevitable. What matters most isn't keeping people from getting infected, but keeping people from getting infected before we discover how best to treat them. Learning which practices were helpful or unhelpful during this first round to reduce the morbidity rate going forward seems to be crucial.