Hayward Likely to OPT-IN to final year of contract!

[MagicBagley18]

I don't see how that would be connected to 6 in any way unless it is part of a larger deal that is paying for that pick. Atlanta shouldn't give Boston any compensation to get Hayward on a multiyear deal. If Atlanta and Hayward are having extension conversations, there is no reason to include Boston. We would have to do something for them just to get a TPE, if we valued that.

idk, it just feels more sensible to me that our front office approached ATL in regards to the #6 pick, as opposed to ATL reaching out to (tampering with?) Hayward without any indication that he planned to opt out. The former is likely the catalyst for whatever is going on rn, IMO.

Atl aren’t gonna trade for Hayward. They’ll sign using cap space. It’s his agent who reaches out.

[threrf23]

Atl aren’t gonna trade for Hayward. They’ll sign using cap space. It’s his agent who reaches out.

They won't sign him via cap space (this offseason) if he doesn't opt out.

Maybe they won't trade for him anyways, doesn't mean it hasn't been pitched or otherwise discussed.

[MagicBagley18]

Atl aren’t gonna trade for Hayward. They’ll sign using cap space. It’s his agent who reaches out.

They won't sign him via cap space (this offseason) if he doesn't opt out.

Maybe they won't trade for him anyways, doesn't mean it hasn't been pitched or otherwise discussed.

I’m just saying if he opts out it means he’s going to Atlanta because he has the deal already agreed upon behind closed doors. Happens all the time. Hayward’s value is nowhere near 6th pick in draft even in a draft like this. A healthy Hayward? Yes. A 34m Hayward with injuries? No.

[threrf23]

I’m just saying if he opts out it means he’s going to Atlanta because he has the deal already agreed upon behind closed doors. Happens all the time. Hayward’s value is nowhere near 6th pick in draft even in a draft like this. A healthy Hayward? Yes. A 34m Hayward with injuries? No.

Yeah I agree, the latter is also one of various reasons why I'd be a bit surprised if Hayward opted out, his value is at a low point, and league spending may also hit a low point this offseason.

But I'm guessing there would be more to a hypothetical trade discussion, I am also guessing that Gordo would want to know what his value was to a team like the Hawks, and that Danny might also be curious (and/or willing to help), regardless of plans.

And I mean, If we trade him - we get assets back, he gets his trade kicker, plus an extra year before his next contract begins.

[SmartWentCrazy]

If all were offering is 4/65, Hayward is using ATL for leverage and Ainge sees right through it

[ConstableGeneva]

If all were offering is 4/65, Hayward is using ATL for leverage and Ainge sees right through it

Can't blame him. That's a disrespectful offer. It's like telling him he's an MLE guy after 2021. That can't be true even on a team where he's used as a 4th option at best. Hope they find a middle ground on the deal. Having Hayward on a good long-term contract (either to keep or move) is still better than what we can get in the trade/FA market.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

Haha, you got called out for being a lurker. Nyah nyah!

I like the dude and appreciate the insights, and I don't link him over here. If you read their past posts, the track record is actually not that good, but they are humble and honest about how raw the intel is in a dynamic landscape. I've read enough of it in real time to know that they aren't talking out of their ass. The other one over there is good, too.

The rest of them should be aware that we've had like 4-5 better insiders here, though. Scoops for days on some of the biggest trades and free agent signings in league history. Yuuuuuuup. I know that they said, "Celtics suck" and all, but I'm feeling warm and fuzzy towards Georgia atm so we can let that slide. Georgia is usually on the wrong side of blowing big leads, after all.

Hayward a good add for them, and losing him would not be good for us. Maybe we get the TPE if it happens? Hawks might also be getting used to set his market/trade value, though. Hmm.

I did? Haha dang, well, like you, I'm not going to trash GA for how they voted this year.

And haha Cave I see what you're doing there, Mr. KD to the Warriors way before anyone else and Kawhi to LAC, those were impressive, and reload 2017-2019 was on a **** tear insider-wise and The Comedian and Captain Green are talking the mantle. Ddb, Bfb (it's been a long time with him), Lbf, we've got a crew here.

It would be a good add, but that's no question too much dough for him. Supes said we want 4/60 or 4/65 for him which is a little low IMO. Supes seems to think he leaves for nothing which sucks, like man would the Hawks really not take a late 1st for that TPE?

If Hayward leaves, I know a lot of people will want to start Marcus Smart, but personally I'd rather start Grant. Also Supes says that the Celtics are "fine" with losing GH but the other guy said we almost want him gone at this point.

Also, we want Baynes back. WE WANT BAYNES BACK PEOPLE, SOUND THE **** ALARMS!!! Though it'll probably be tough to get him, teams like the Clips/Rockets/Suns/etc. all want him too.

I was thinking more reload, ddb, and lbf. ddb giving play-by-play on the KG trade in real time in 2007 was incredible.

My Trump/election stuff not bad, though. Probably the first on the internet to relay that he had COVID.

Ayeeeeee I'm semi-retired now but I'll be around more this season.

[MagicBagley18]

4/80 Gordy good hair seems fair

[djFan71]

If all were offering is 4/65, Hayward is using ATL for leverage and Ainge sees right through it

Can't blame him. That's a disrespectful offer. It's like telling him he's an MLE guy after 2021. That can't be true even on a team where he's used as a 4th option at best. Hope they find a middle ground on the deal. Having Hayward on a good long-term contract (either to keep or move) is still better than what we can get in the trade/FA market.

Yeah, you gotta go above that to make him even consider signing - esp giving Danny such a tradeable deal. Only way he doesn't get a 3-yr MLE next offseason is if he misses significant time due to injury again. 3/$65M or 4/$80M makes sense. $15M a year extension is significantly over MLE, but not crazy, crazy, taxy tax land when Tatum max / Hay extension kicks in.

But, it doesn't address any of the role issues at all.

[Darthlukey]

I don't see how that would be connected to 6 in any way unless it is part of a larger deal that is paying for that pick. Atlanta shouldn't give Boston any compensation to get Hayward on a multiyear deal. If Atlanta and Hayward are having extension conversations, there is no reason to include Boston. We would have to do something for them just to get a TPE, if we valued that.

idk, it just feels more sensible to me that our front office approached ATL in regards to the #6 pick, as opposed to ATL reaching out to (tampering with?) Hayward without any indication that he planned to opt out. The former is likely the catalyst for whatever is going on rn, IMO.

Atl aren’t gonna trade for Hayward. They’ll sign using cap space. It’s his agent who reaches out.

They could do an extend and trade, which doesn't trigger the same limitations as a sign and trade. Maybe we could get a little something out of that (massive traded player exception and maybe a 2nd or something)

[Captain_Caveman]

idk, it just feels more sensible to me that our front office approached ATL in regards to the #6 pick, as opposed to ATL reaching out to (tampering with?) Hayward without any indication that he planned to opt out. The former is likely the catalyst for whatever is going on rn, IMO.

Atl aren’t gonna trade for Hayward. They’ll sign using cap space. It’s his agent who reaches out.

They could do an extend and trade, which doesn't trigger the same limitations as a sign and trade. Maybe we could get a little something out of that (massive traded player exception and maybe a 2nd or something)

My question there is that are we limited to an 8% annual salary decrease that is based on his last remaining year? Appears so.

[reload141]

I did? Haha dang, well, like you, I'm not going to trash GA for how they voted this year.

And haha Cave I see what you're doing there, Mr. KD to the Warriors way before anyone else and Kawhi to LAC, those were impressive, and reload 2017-2019 was on a **** tear insider-wise and The Comedian and Captain Green are talking the mantle. Ddb, Bfb (it's been a long time with him), Lbf, we've got a crew here.

It would be a good add, but that's no question too much dough for him. Supes said we want 4/60 or 4/65 for him which is a little low IMO. Supes seems to think he leaves for nothing which sucks, like man would the Hawks really not take a late 1st for that TPE?

If Hayward leaves, I know a lot of people will want to start Marcus Smart, but personally I'd rather start Grant. Also Supes says that the Celtics are "fine" with losing GH but the other guy said we almost want him gone at this point.

Also, we want Baynes back. WE WANT BAYNES BACK PEOPLE, SOUND THE **** ALARMS!!! Though it'll probably be tough to get him, teams like the Clips/Rockets/Suns/etc. all want him too.

I was thinking more reload, ddb, and lbf. ddb giving play-by-play on the KG trade in real time in 2007 was incredible.

My Trump/election stuff not bad, though. Probably the first on the internet to relay that he had COVID.

Ayeeeeee I'm semi-retired now but I'll be around more this season.

This needs more recognition. Always been one of the best from the day I signed up here.

[The Corey's]

I'm all for moving Hayward but losing him for nothing in an opt out would be a devastating blow to the cap.

[Captain_Caveman]

I'm all for moving Hayward but losing him for nothing in an opt out would be a devastating blow to the cap.

Opt-out, and resign at 3y/80-90m.

Dump Kanter if you need to save more cap than that.

[Pacino62]

Logging in for the first time in 6 months to acknowledge the possible LBF resurrection

[ConstableGeneva]

Same. Logging in for the first time in 6 minutes to acknowledge the possible Pacino62 resurrection. Missing your movie/TV recs for the past few months.

[Bohemian]

Same here... In need for good realgm Celtics rumors

[MagicBagley18]

Logging in for the first time in 6 months to acknowledge the possible LBF resurrection

Welcome back

[SmartWentCrazy]

I have us as able to free about 15M if Hayward opts out for nothing:

Kanter, Poirier Edwards - Trade to free up 9; Kanter may opt out. Semi- decline option. Green- do not guarantee. In total, that frees 46M and brings us to ~95M in commitments.

Not great. Does leave us with *some* flexibility. Should be enough to get a guy like Gallo or Wood. Or possibly Joe Harris or Bertans.

[ConstableGeneva]

I have us as able to free about 15M if Hayward opts out for nothing:

Kanter, Poirier Edwards - Trade to free up 9; Kanter may opt out. Semi- decline option. Green- do not guarantee. In total, that frees 46M and brings us to ~95M in commitments.

Not great. Does leave us with *some* flexibility. Should be enough to get a guy like Gallo or Wood. Or possibly Joe Harris or Bertans.

No Kanter, Poirier, Edwards, Semi, Javonte, Wanamaker, and Hayward.

That leaves us with 8 guys. Did you include the 3 1sts? 11 guys. Then one roster space hold. There's also the dead money for Yabu and Jackson.

EDIT: I have us at $104,570,537.00. At this point, we'd rather have the full MLE and BAE than the cap space and room exception.