Welcome to Boston, Aaron Nesmith!

[playa-hater]

I am sitting back and trying to absorb all the potential reasoning behind Nesmith not playing. Sorry but there is ZERO, ZERO justifications to not play Nesmith over players who :

1- are not even playing good.

2 - have absolutely NO Upside

3 - won't/shouldn't even be apart of any potential Playoff rotation.

For those who keep bringing up the lack of a Preseason/training camp, well that applied to ALL rookies.

To compound this, we keep having injuries on top of all that.

I actually do think I am good at evaluating talent, have some experience there. BUT a 6th grader can see that Edwards/Waters/Teague/Green at the least have ZERO Upside and are actually all horrible defenders (not Green) as well. Making matters worse, it's not like those aforementioned players are even being productive.

There isn't a short term or a long term reason why Nesmith shouldn't be playing, NONE! except that Brad Stevens is an illogical Idiot. Sorry CBS fans, I don't see anyway around that.

PS. I have been around a ton of college basketball, I have witnessed first hand how a coach can "mind F*ck" a player. but I can't remember seeing anything to this level. And the NBA is supposed to be the highest level of everything.. So freakin sad for Nesmith.

[Bluewhale]

Think about what we have in Rozier rookie year.

GIve Nesmith some time.

[playa-hater]

Think about what we have in Rozier rookie year.

GIve Nesmith some time.

Well I believe in Nesmith Bigtime, but Rozier didn't sit behind players like Green/Edwards/Teague/Waters.

[zoyathedestroya]

Rozier played 311 out of the 19780 total team minutes that season. Makes out to 1.5722%.
Nesmith has played 117 out of the 6000 total team mins this season. Makes out to 1.95%.

Nesmith is on pace to play more than Rozier did in his rookie year. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Rozier is a bad example.

[SMTBSI]

Rozier had an all-time bad rookie season:
1.8ppg on .326 TS% and .222 3P%, taking 1.45% of the team's total FGA.

Nesmith is literally already having a better rookie season, in terms of scoring, than Rozier did:
3.3ppg on .446 TS% and .310 3P%, taking 1.68% of the team's total FGA.


I mean, these are both awful lines obviously. Point is just that there's hope for anyone. Nesmith hasn't even locked in that statline yet - he's got most of his rookie season to go.

[playa-hater]

Rozier had an all-time bad rookie season:
1.8ppg on .326 TS% and .222 3P%, taking 1.45% of the team's total FGA.

Nesmith is literally already having a better rookie season, in terms of scoring, than Rozier did:
3.3ppg on .446 TS% and .310 3P%, taking 1.68% of the team's total FGA.


I mean, these are both awful lines obviously. Point is just that there's hope for anyone. Nesmith hasn't even locked in that statline yet - he's got most of his rookie season to go.

Trey Waters says Hello

[SMTBSI]

Point is just that there's hope for anyone.

Trey Waters says Hello

Good call. Forgot about Tremont. There is no hope for him.

[themoneyteam2]

Think about what we have in Rozier rookie year.

GIve Nesmith some time.

I mean yeah but Rozier was sitting behind legit guys while Nesmith can’t sniff the floor over Carsen Edwards and career overseas player Javonte Green. That’s the concerning part.

[Bleeding Green]

I am sitting back and trying to absorb all the potential reasoning behind Nesmith not playing. Sorry but there is ZERO, ZERO justifications to not play Nesmith over players who :

1- are not even playing good.

2 - have absolutely NO Upside

3 - won't/shouldn't even be apart of any potential Playoff rotation.

For those who keep bringing up the lack of a Preseason/training camp, well that applied to ALL rookies.

To compound this, we keep having injuries on top of all that.

I actually do think I am good at evaluating talent, have some experience there. BUT a 6th grader can see that Edwards/Waters/Teague/Green at the least have ZERO Upside and are actually all horrible defenders (not Green) as well. Making matters worse, it's not like those aforementioned players are even being productive.

There isn't a short term or a long term reason why Nesmith shouldn't be playing, NONE! except that Brad Stevens is an illogical Idiot. Sorry CBS fans, I don't see anyway around that.

PS. I have been around a ton of college basketball, I have witnessed first hand how a coach can "mind F*ck" a player. but I can't remember seeing anything to this level. And the NBA is supposed to be the highest level of everything.. So freakin sad for Nesmith.

Or he's just bad. Dunno if you considered that as part of your justification rubric.

[Roddy]

Meanwhile in Memphis :

Desmond Bane : 10.3 ppg/ 2.7rbs/ 1.6 asts/ FG 48% / 3P% 48.2 (4th in the NBA).

Thank God we have Javonte Green, Carsen Edwards, Tacko Fall, Tremont Waters and Romeo Langford on our bench...

[cl2117]

I am sitting back and trying to absorb all the potential reasoning behind Nesmith not playing. Sorry but there is ZERO, ZERO justifications to not play Nesmith over players who :

1- are not even playing good.

2 - have absolutely NO Upside

3 - won't/shouldn't even be apart of any potential Playoff rotation.

For those who keep bringing up the lack of a Preseason/training camp, well that applied to ALL rookies.

To compound this, we keep having injuries on top of all that.

I actually do think I am good at evaluating talent, have some experience there. BUT a 6th grader can see that Edwards/Waters/Teague/Green at the least have ZERO Upside and are actually all horrible defenders (not Green) as well. Making matters worse, it's not like those aforementioned players are even being productive.

There isn't a short term or a long term reason why Nesmith shouldn't be playing, NONE! except that Brad Stevens is an illogical Idiot. Sorry CBS fans, I don't see anyway around that.

PS. I have been around a ton of college basketball, I have witnessed first hand how a coach can "mind F*ck" a player. but I can't remember seeing anything to this level. And the NBA is supposed to be the highest level of everything.. So freakin sad for Nesmith.

Or he's just bad. Dunno if you considered that as part of your justification rubric.

Ok let's say he's bad. So is Teague, so is Javonte, so is Carsen.

If you're going to trot out someone who's not going to contribute, why not the youngest, highest drafted, highest paid guy with the longest contract and the most potential?

It just makes no sense to me not to get him out there occasionally. Not even saying he should play in most games, but on nights when we've been short on wings Brad is still trotting out triple big lineups or two sub 6 foot guards instead of giving him 8-10 minutes. With no practices and no game time he's got no shot.

I love Javonte, seems like a great guy, he's a human pogo stick, but he is never going to contribute in a meaningful way. Not now, not in the future. He's averaging 15 minutes a night. Even if Nesmith goes out there and embarrasses himself, why not yo-yo the two of them so he even gets the chance some nights. Give him 10 minutes, he fails, go back to Javonte. Couple games go by, give him another chance, he fails, go back to Javonte. What do we honestly have to lose?

I just can't understand how he can't buy a minute when we are throwing out other guys who are objectively bad as well. It's not like he's gotta take minutes from meaningful contributors.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Rozier had an all-time bad rookie season:
1.8ppg on .326 TS% and .222 3P%, taking 1.45% of the team's total FGA.

Nesmith is literally already having a better rookie season, in terms of scoring, than Rozier did:
3.3ppg on .446 TS% and .310 3P%, taking 1.68% of the team's total FGA.


I mean, these are both awful lines obviously. Point is just that there's hope for anyone. Nesmith hasn't even locked in that statline yet - he's got most of his rookie season to go.

The only thing I’d say is that Nesmith was drafted with the expectation that he’d contribute immediately and Terry was not.

“We need shooting and he’s a long wing shooter that can stretch the floor and he can shoot right now,” Ainge said after the draft. “You don’t have to teach him to shoot. He can come in the gym and out-shoot most of our guys right this second.”

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2020/11/boston-celtics-draft-2020-danny-ainge-just-needs-one-hit-for-it-to-be-a-success-john-karalis.html

However, overall its a good comp so +1 to you

[playa-hater]

I am sitting back and trying to absorb all the potential reasoning behind Nesmith not playing. Sorry but there is ZERO, ZERO justifications to not play Nesmith over players who :

1- are not even playing good.

2 - have absolutely NO Upside

3 - won't/shouldn't even be apart of any potential Playoff rotation.

For those who keep bringing up the lack of a Preseason/training camp, well that applied to ALL rookies.

To compound this, we keep having injuries on top of all that.

I actually do think I am good at evaluating talent, have some experience there. BUT a 6th grader can see that Edwards/Waters/Teague/Green at the least have ZERO Upside and are actually all horrible defenders (not Green) as well. Making matters worse, it's not like those aforementioned players are even being productive.

There isn't a short term or a long term reason why Nesmith shouldn't be playing, NONE! except that Brad Stevens is an illogical Idiot. Sorry CBS fans, I don't see anyway around that.

PS. I have been around a ton of college basketball, I have witnessed first hand how a coach can "mind F*ck" a player. but I can't remember seeing anything to this level. And the NBA is supposed to be the highest level of everything.. So freakin sad for Nesmith.

Or he's just bad. Dunno if you considered that as part of your justification rubric.

Ok let's say he's bad. So is Teague, so is Javonte, so is Carsen.

If you're going to trot out someone who's not going to contribute, why not the youngest, highest drafted, highest paid guy with the longest contract and the most potential?

It just makes no sense to me not to get him out there occasionally. Not even saying he should play in most games, but on nights when we've been short on wings Brad is still trotting out triple big lineups or two sub 6 foot guards instead of giving him 8-10 minutes. With no practices and no game time he's got no shot.

I love Javonte, seems like a great guy, he's a human pogo stick, but he is never going to contribute in a meaningful way. Not now, not in the future. He's averaging 15 minutes a night. Even if Nesmith goes out there and embarrasses himself, why not yo-yo the two of them so he even gets the chance some nights. Give him 10 minutes, he fails, go back to Javonte. Couple games go by, give him another chance, he fails, go back to Javonte. What do we honestly have to lose?

I just can't understand how he can't buy a minute when we are throwing out other guys who are objectively bad as well. It's not like he's gotta take minutes from meaningful contributors.

You beat me to it but very well said

[Bleeding Green]

I am sitting back and trying to absorb all the potential reasoning behind Nesmith not playing. Sorry but there is ZERO, ZERO justifications to not play Nesmith over players who :

1- are not even playing good.

2 - have absolutely NO Upside

3 - won't/shouldn't even be apart of any potential Playoff rotation.

For those who keep bringing up the lack of a Preseason/training camp, well that applied to ALL rookies.

To compound this, we keep having injuries on top of all that.

I actually do think I am good at evaluating talent, have some experience there. BUT a 6th grader can see that Edwards/Waters/Teague/Green at the least have ZERO Upside and are actually all horrible defenders (not Green) as well. Making matters worse, it's not like those aforementioned players are even being productive.

There isn't a short term or a long term reason why Nesmith shouldn't be playing, NONE! except that Brad Stevens is an illogical Idiot. Sorry CBS fans, I don't see anyway around that.

PS. I have been around a ton of college basketball, I have witnessed first hand how a coach can "mind F*ck" a player. but I can't remember seeing anything to this level. And the NBA is supposed to be the highest level of everything.. So freakin sad for Nesmith.

Or he's just bad. Dunno if you considered that as part of your justification rubric.

Ok let's say he's bad. So is Teague, so is Javonte, so is Carsen.

If you're going to trot out someone who's not going to contribute, why not the youngest, highest drafted, highest paid guy with the longest contract and the most potential?

It just makes no sense to me not to get him out there occasionally. Not even saying he should play in most games, but on nights when we've been short on wings Brad is still trotting out triple big lineups or two sub 6 foot guards instead of giving him 8-10 minutes. With no practices and no game time he's got no shot.

I love Javonte, seems like a great guy, he's a human pogo stick, but he is never going to contribute in a meaningful way. Not now, not in the future. He's averaging 15 minutes a night. Even if Nesmith goes out there and embarrasses himself, why not yo-yo the two of them so he even gets the chance some nights. Give him 10 minutes, he fails, go back to Javonte. Couple games go by, give him another chance, he fails, go back to Javonte. What do we honestly have to lose?

I just can't understand how he can't buy a minute when we are throwing out other guys who are objectively bad as well. It's not like he's gotta take minutes from meaningful contributors.

Those guys are bad in different ways. In what little Nesmith has been out there he has been flailing around on defense. Teague sucks, there is zero question, but he can fit into a defensive scheme and not throw the entire thing off.

This season is **** weird, they don't even practice. For a rookie who is a bad defender, that's not a recipe for success.

[cl2117]

Those guys are bad in different ways. In what little Nesmith has been out there he has been flailing around on defense. Teague sucks, there is zero question, but he can fit into a defensive scheme and not throw the entire thing off.

This season is **** weird, they don't even practice. For a rookie who is a bad defender, that's not a recipe for success.

Teague is a turnstile on defense. Does it make that much of a difference if he's in the right spot, but not actually putting up any resistance? Same result.

Edwards is so small he gets targeted wherever possible and can't do anything about it. Javonte, to his credit, is usually in the right spot and plays up tempo defense, but he offers little to nothing on the other end outside of transition buckets.

The difference is that Nesmith, in theory, has potential to improve whereas the other guys don't (maybe Carsen). It's not like we're winning games with these guys in the lineup and operating on a "if it's not broken, don't fix it" mentality. It is most certainly broken. Let's at least occasionally give the lotto pick a chance to figure it out instead of trotting out guys who are just taking up space.

At least give Nesmith the chance to camp out in the corner and drain 3's to offset what he gives back on the other end. And if he ever catches on enough to not be a net negative on the defensive end, we're in business. If not go back to the vets.

I'm not saying Aaron will figure it out this year, but it feels foolish short and long term to not give him a shot, especially on nights where we need wings/back to backs. 2 midget/3 big lineups haven't worked. Playing the aforementioned guys hasn't worked. We should try an alternative. Worst case we are basically in the same spot, best case we've got a viable scoring option off the bench we desperately need.

[31to6]

Is he even in Boston or on the Celtics roster? I get he hasn’t looked great but can we get this kid some god damn minutes.

It's like Danny got Brad a gift he really really doesn't like, and threw it in the trash right after unwrapping it.

Spoiler:

And shoveled dirt on it and then pooped on it and then lit it on fire.

[Bleeding Green]

Those guys are bad in different ways. In what little Nesmith has been out there he has been flailing around on defense. Teague sucks, there is zero question, but he can fit into a defensive scheme and not throw the entire thing off.

This season is **** weird, they don't even practice. For a rookie who is a bad defender, that's not a recipe for success.

Teague is a turnstile on defense. Does it make that much of a difference if he's in the right spot, but not actually putting up any resistance? Same result.

Edwards is so small he gets targeted wherever possible and can't do anything about it. Javonte, to his credit, is usually in the right spot and plays up tempo defense, but he offers little to nothing on the other end outside of transition buckets.

The difference is that Nesmith, in theory, has potential to improve whereas the other guys don't (maybe Carsen). It's not like we're winning games with these guys in the lineup and operating on a "if it's not broken, don't fix it" mentality. It is most certainly broken. Let's at least occasionally give the lotto pick a chance to figure it out instead of trotting out guys who are just taking up space.

At least give Nesmith the chance to camp out in the corner and drain 3's to offset what he gives back on the other end. And if he ever catches on enough to not be a net negative on the defensive end, we're in business. If not go back to the vets.

I'm not saying Aaron will figure it out this year, but it feels foolish short and long term to not give him a shot, especially on nights where we need wings/back to backs. 2 midget/3 big lineups haven't worked. Playing the aforementioned guys hasn't worked. We should try an alternative. Worst case we are basically in the same spot, best case we've got a viable scoring option off the bench we desperately need.

Yeah I think it makes a difference. Nesmith looked like a high school kid out there to me, I guess the coaches agree. Look around the NBA, tons of rookies are getting no minutes. It's a weird year and there are no practices. He's been awful in his limited minutes and they want to win. If he were currently not awful, he'd probably play.

[cl2117]

Yeah I think it makes a difference. Nesmith looked like a high school kid out there to me, I guess the coaches agree. Look around the NBA, tons of rookies are getting no minutes. It's a weird year and there are no practices.

I'd have more faith in the coaches opinion if they weren't letting Jeff Teague play

I just don't see how you can defend the triple big lineups or Carsen/Kemba backcourt. That's the problem. I get that it's a weird year, but some of these alternatives are indefensible. If defense is the problem, how are those lineups the solution?

[Bleeding Green]

Triple big? Has that happened once?

Carsen/Kemba has been like 10 minutes this season. Are we even watching the same game? I swear I watch a different sport sometimes.

[cl2117]

Triple big? Has that happened once?

Carsen/Kemba has been like 10 minutes this season. Are we even watching the same game? I swear I watch a different sport sometimes.

Both happened against Phoenix. We started Kemba/Carsen and got eaten alive. Had the same backcourt duo against the Clippers, but Edwards hit 3's which salvaged it. Tre Waters played 20 plus minutes against the Kings (although admittedly that was the game we were out our top three PG's).

Again I'm not saying it's happening all the time, I'm just saying it's like we're going to extraordinary lengths NOT to play Nesmith when he makes more sense. I'm just shocked that when there is an opportunity like with Jayson out due to COVID or Jaylen sitting because of his knee, we're going with scrubs or odd lineups instead of letting the rook get some run.