Official Celtics 2021-22 Season Thread

[Andrew McCeltic]

Brooklyn’s actually unique in having all of their big three putting up comparable superstar stats.. 25, 25, 27 ppg

[djFan71]

Brooklyn’s actually unique in having all of their big three putting up comparable superstar stats.. 25, 25, 27 ppg

I think mostly cuz they rarely played together.

[playa-hater]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/263038/Relationship-Between-Brad-Stevens-Kemba-Walker-Described-As-Tension-Filled

not a big surprise. but it does explain a lot. may have been part of the reason brad lost the team.

anyways you can see why brad couldn't run kemba out of town fast enough.

If there was tension it wasn't because either was a bad person. It is just a situation where Kemba wanted a role of 1st option like he was in Charlotte. Obviously he couldn't get that here. Difference is Kemba, like many other ball needy players, struggle to be as productive efficiently speaking with a smaller role. That FIT was never going to work. GH left because more than anything he wanted a bigger role as well. Same for Rozier. One reason why adding a third star may not be all roses. Boston needs a "glue" Star more than anything. and/or a pass first PG type. If those players can not be found, then better get great 3 and D players who excel without the ball.

Brooklyn’s made it work.. Miami.. and our title team. But you usually need one of three to take a smaller role and excel in it. We were lucky Ray did.

It's surprisingly works because James harden took a lesser role. In Miami Chris Bosh took a major step back going from 1st option to 3rd option, And with Boston's title team they had 3 older players with a very pass 1st point guard to make it work.

With Jason Tatum and jelen Brown I very much doubt either one would want to take a lesser role. So whoever is running as a 3rd star has to be that guy or it will be very difficult to work out in my opinion.

I wish this team had a modern day Robert Horry type of player in my opinion. Someone who can take and make big shots play multiple positions yet never complain about the ball

[nasbahceltic]

My realistic non pipe dreamy offseason projection:

1. Trade TT to the kings for delon wright. They're probably losing at least one of their bigs this offseason (Bagley or Holmes) so a need is there coupled with wright being superfluous with fox and haliburton sharing the one. Wright provides another ball handler and switchable defender who's good at everything but great at nothing. Exactly the type of steady player we need behind Marcus.

2. Re-sign Fournier for three years somewhere around 50 million. He provides a bit of a Hayward facsimile with lesser upside talent wise but less ego management. He can probably rotate between starting and being the sixth man depending on matchups and injuries.

3. Sign Batum to the taxpayer mle for two years. Batum has been incredibly valuable for the clips playing the 3/4 and would fit us perfectly as a chess piece or spot starter. Another switchable defender, good passer abd capable 3 point shooter. Fournier being on board could be a help in recruiting him as well.


Smart/Wright/PP
Fournier/Nesmith/Langford
Jaylen/Nesmith/Langford
Tatum/Batum/G Will
Rob/Horford/Moses


Nothing too sexy but leaves us with a really long, smart switchable team defensively with guys who compliment the jays as non ball stoppers and floor spreaders offensively. With some development from the young guys and another level up from the Jays I really like this team as a sneaky contender.

[BleedGreen1989]

My realistic non pipe dreamy offseason projection:

1. Trade TT to the kings for delon wright. They're probably losing at least one of their bigs this offseason (Bagley or Holmes) so a need is there coupled with wright being superfluous with fox and haliburton sharing the one. Wright provides another ball handler and switchable defender who's good at everything but great at nothing. Exactly the type of steady player we need behind Marcus.

2. Re-sign Fournier for three years somewhere around 50 million. He provides a bit of a Hayward facsimile with lesser upside talent wise but less ego management. He can probably rotate between starting and being the sixth man depending on matchups and injuries.

3. Sign Batum to the taxpayer mle for two years. Batum has been incredibly valuable for the clips playing the 3/4 and would fit us perfectly as a chess piece or spot starter. Another switchable defender, good passer abd capable 3 point shooter. Fournier being on board could be a help in recruiting him as well.


Smart/Wright/PP
Fournier/Nesmith/Langford
Jaylen/Nesmith/Langford
Tatum/Batum/G Will
Rob/Horford/Moses


Nothing too sexy but leaves us with a really long, smart switchable team defensively with guys who compliment the jays as non ball stoppers and floor spreaders offensively. With some development from the young guys and another level up from the Jays I really like this team as a sneaky contender.

I like it, but I think as of now I'm on the "start Horford" train. His shooting is so vital to that starting unit.

[playa-hater]

My realistic non pipe dreamy offseason projection:

1. Trade TT to the kings for delon wright. They're probably losing at least one of their bigs this offseason (Bagley or Holmes) so a need is there coupled with wright being superfluous with fox and haliburton sharing the one. Wright provides another ball handler and switchable defender who's good at everything but great at nothing. Exactly the type of steady player we need behind Marcus.

2. Re-sign Fournier for three years somewhere around 50 million. He provides a bit of a Hayward facsimile with lesser upside talent wise but less ego management. He can probably rotate between starting and being the sixth man depending on matchups and injuries.

3. Sign Batum to the taxpayer mle for two years. Batum has been incredibly valuable for the clips playing the 3/4 and would fit us perfectly as a chess piece or spot starter. Another switchable defender, good passer abd capable 3 point shooter. Fournier being on board could be a help in recruiting him as well.


Smart/Wright/PP
Fournier/Nesmith/Langford
Jaylen/Nesmith/Langford
Tatum/Batum/G Will
Rob/Horford/Moses


Nothing too sexy but leaves us with a really long, smart switchable team defensively with guys who compliment the jays as non ball stoppers and floor spreaders offensively. With some development from the young guys and another level up from the Jays I really like this team as a sneaky contender.

I like it, but I think as of now I'm on the "start Horford" train. His shooting is so vital to that starting unit.

I would rather start rob Williams and keep Horford as fresh as we can for the playoffs. I can also make the statement the starters need rob Williams energy and vertical spacing threat.. But I am also perfectly OK with either one starting, it is not that big of a deal to me because they are both Complementary with our starters

[BleedGreen1989]

My realistic non pipe dreamy offseason projection:

1. Trade TT to the kings for delon wright. They're probably losing at least one of their bigs this offseason (Bagley or Holmes) so a need is there coupled with wright being superfluous with fox and haliburton sharing the one. Wright provides another ball handler and switchable defender who's good at everything but great at nothing. Exactly the type of steady player we need behind Marcus.

2. Re-sign Fournier for three years somewhere around 50 million. He provides a bit of a Hayward facsimile with lesser upside talent wise but less ego management. He can probably rotate between starting and being the sixth man depending on matchups and injuries.

3. Sign Batum to the taxpayer mle for two years. Batum has been incredibly valuable for the clips playing the 3/4 and would fit us perfectly as a chess piece or spot starter. Another switchable defender, good passer abd capable 3 point shooter. Fournier being on board could be a help in recruiting him as well.


Smart/Wright/PP
Fournier/Nesmith/Langford
Jaylen/Nesmith/Langford
Tatum/Batum/G Will
Rob/Horford/Moses


Nothing too sexy but leaves us with a really long, smart switchable team defensively with guys who compliment the jays as non ball stoppers and floor spreaders offensively. With some development from the young guys and another level up from the Jays I really like this team as a sneaky contender.

I like it, but I think as of now I'm on the "start Horford" train. His shooting is so vital to that starting unit.

I would rather start rob Williams and keep holford as fresh as we can for the playoffs. I can also make the statement the starters need rob Williams any G and vertical spacing threat.. What I am also perfectly OK with either one starting it is not that big of a deal to me because they are both that Complementary with our starters

For sure. It’s a nice option to have either way.

[nasbahceltic]

My realistic non pipe dreamy offseason projection:

1. Trade TT to the kings for delon wright. They're probably losing at least one of their bigs this offseason (Bagley or Holmes) so a need is there coupled with wright being superfluous with fox and haliburton sharing the one. Wright provides another ball handler and switchable defender who's good at everything but great at nothing. Exactly the type of steady player we need behind Marcus.

2. Re-sign Fournier for three years somewhere around 50 million. He provides a bit of a Hayward facsimile with lesser upside talent wise but less ego management. He can probably rotate between starting and being the sixth man depending on matchups and injuries.

3. Sign Batum to the taxpayer mle for two years. Batum has been incredibly valuable for the clips playing the 3/4 and would fit us perfectly as a chess piece or spot starter. Another switchable defender, good passer abd capable 3 point shooter. Fournier being on board could be a help in recruiting him as well.


Smart/Wright/PP
Fournier/Nesmith/Langford
Jaylen/Nesmith/Langford
Tatum/Batum/G Will
Rob/Horford/Moses


Nothing too sexy but leaves us with a really long, smart switchable team defensively with guys who compliment the jays as non ball stoppers and floor spreaders offensively. With some development from the young guys and another level up from the Jays I really like this team as a sneaky contender.

I like it, but I think as of now I'm on the "start Horford" train. His shooting is so vital to that starting unit.

I would rather start rob Williams and keep holford as fresh as we can for the playoffs. I can also make the statement the starters need rob Williams any G and vertical spacing threat.. What I am also perfectly OK with either one starting it is not that big of a deal to me because they are both that Complementary with our starters

I can go either way in terms of Rob or Horford starting. Both bring unique strengths to the table that can compliment the different lineup combinations we can piece together. I think the main concern is managing each guy's health so we have them ready to go for the playoffs. Would not be against aquiring a banger for matchup specific roles in order to save the wear and tear on Rob and Horford.

[Andrew McCeltic]

So afaik getting Lonzo is impossible. But not clear on cap otherwise: can we reup Fournier, use the TPE, and still have the MLE?

[TH15]

I like it, but I think as of now I'm on the "start Horford" train. His shooting is so vital to that starting unit.

I would rather start rob Williams and keep holford as fresh as we can for the playoffs. I can also make the statement the starters need rob Williams any G and vertical spacing threat.. What I am also perfectly OK with either one starting it is not that big of a deal to me because they are both that Complementary with our starters

I can go either way in terms of Rob or Horford starting. Both bring unique strengths to the table that can compliment the different lineup combinations we can piece together. I think the main concern is managing each guy's health so we have them ready to go for the playoffs. Would not be against aquiring a banger for matchup specific roles in order to save the wear and tear on Rob and Horford.

Moses seems like perfect guy to play the banger role, and soak up regular season minutes to preserve Al and RWIII for the playoffs. Hopefully he picks up the defensive schemes without issue.

Batum would be a nice pickup for some swing depth, but I wonder if he’s played his way into a better deal…?

I don’t know much about Wright but I’m currently in the camp that would like to see PP get more opportunity to step up (unless we can get a guy like Lowry).

I’m also expecting big improvements and enhanced roles for Langford and Neismith. Right now is when we can get the most value from these cost controlled picks, after investing year/s and millions in their development already, they’ve shown enough to earn a rotation spot and build their value. Moving them or RW for middling picks as has been suggested by some seems like a treadmill kinda move to me. These guys are elite prospects (debatable with Neismith, but Rob and Romeo were elite for their classes with injury concerns)… we need to give them opportunities to shine, and build value for future consolidation moves.

I feel comfortable rolling out the following lineup to compete for home court and remain vigilant and flexible for when the next star shakes free:

Hypothetical Starters:
Pritchard
Langford (guards opposing team’s best wing to preserve the J’s)
Brown
Tatum
Williams

Bench:
Smart
Fournier
Neismith
Horford (Parker and Grant situationally)
Moses (not suggesting a double big lineup with Moses)

Closers:
Smart
Fournier
Brown
Tatum
Horford

I like our chances against anyone but Brooklyn in the East.

[Curmudgeon]

The last half of the year their defense was atrocious. They were giving up 125+ every night. That's the area in which they must improve.

Is the Timelord getting surgery for his artery condition this offseason or will he continue to be a 15-minute player?

[bucknersrevenge]

So afaik getting Lonzo is impossible. But not clear on cap otherwise: can we reup Fournier, use the TPE, and still have the MLE?

The taxpayer MLE which I believe is around 5M. We'd have that and everything else you said.

[moonie_mcgee]

I would rather start rob Williams and keep holford as fresh as we can for the playoffs. I can also make the statement the starters need rob Williams any G and vertical spacing threat.. What I am also perfectly OK with either one starting it is not that big of a deal to me because they are both that Complementary with our starters

I can go either way in terms of Rob or Horford starting. Both bring unique strengths to the table that can compliment the different lineup combinations we can piece together. I think the main concern is managing each guy's health so we have them ready to go for the playoffs. Would not be against aquiring a banger for matchup specific roles in order to save the wear and tear on Rob and Horford.

Moses seems like perfect guy to play the banger role, and soak up regular season minutes to preserve Al and RWIII for the playoffs. Hopefully he picks up the defensive schemes without issue.

Batum would be a nice pickup for some swing depth, but I wonder if he’s played his way into a better deal…?

I don’t know much about Wright but I’m currently in the camp that would like to see PP get more opportunity to step up (unless we can get a guy like Lowry).

I’m also expecting big improvements and enhanced roles for Langford and Neismith. Right now is when we can get the most value from these cost controlled picks, after investing year/s and millions in their development already, they’ve shown enough to earn a rotation spot and build their value. Moving them or RW for middling picks as has been suggested by some seems like a treadmill kinda move to me. These guys are elite prospects (debatable with Neismith, but Rob and Romeo were elite for their classes with injury concerns)… we need to give them opportunities to shine, and build value for future consolidation moves.

I feel comfortable rolling out the following lineup to compete for home court and remain vigilant and flexible for when the next star shakes free:

Hypothetical Starters:
Pritchard
Langford (guards opposing team’s best wing to preserve the J’s)
Brown
Tatum
Williams

Bench:
Smart
Fournier
Neismith
Horford (Parker and Grant situationally)
Moses (not suggesting a double big lineup with Moses)

Closers:
Smart
Fournier
Brown
Tatum
Horford

I like our chances against anyone but Brooklyn in the East.

Not me but maybe it'll be different with a new coach.
Fourniers a bad closer due to his defense.
The lineup is still too small with Brown Tatum and Horford in the front court.

[TH15]

I can go either way in terms of Rob or Horford starting. Both bring unique strengths to the table that can compliment the different lineup combinations we can piece together. I think the main concern is managing each guy's health so we have them ready to go for the playoffs. Would not be against aquiring a banger for matchup specific roles in order to save the wear and tear on Rob and Horford.

Moses seems like perfect guy to play the banger role, and soak up regular season minutes to preserve Al and RWIII for the playoffs. Hopefully he picks up the defensive schemes without issue.

Batum would be a nice pickup for some swing depth, but I wonder if he’s played his way into a better deal…?

I don’t know much about Wright but I’m currently in the camp that would like to see PP get more opportunity to step up (unless we can get a guy like Lowry).

I’m also expecting big improvements and enhanced roles for Langford and Neismith. Right now is when we can get the most value from these cost controlled picks, after investing year/s and millions in their development already, they’ve shown enough to earn a rotation spot and build their value. Moving them or RW for middling picks as has been suggested by some seems like a treadmill kinda move to me. These guys are elite prospects (debatable with Neismith, but Rob and Romeo were elite for their classes with injury concerns)… we need to give them opportunities to shine, and build value for future consolidation moves.

I feel comfortable rolling out the following lineup to compete for home court and remain vigilant and flexible for when the next star shakes free:

Hypothetical Starters:
Pritchard
Langford (guards opposing team’s best wing to preserve the J’s)
Brown
Tatum
Williams

Bench:
Smart
Fournier
Neismith
Horford (Parker and Grant situationally)
Moses (not suggesting a double big lineup with Moses)

Closers:
Smart
Fournier
Brown
Tatum
Horford

I like our chances against anyone but Brooklyn in the East.

Not me but maybe it'll be different with a new coach.
Fourniers a bad closer due to his defense.
The lineup is still too small with Brown Tatum and Horford in the front court.

Fournier’s defense is no worse than average, to me. Yes, Harden will embarrass him like most players. I don’t see why Fournier can’t play the Joe Harris/Huerter role for us only better.

Agreed that lineup is too small to compete for a championship. I like the RWIII/ Moses combo at 5, for now. Finding the long term, 2-way switchable stud at PF is the move I’m holding out for. Not sure who that guy is yet. Would love a Jeremi Grant or Christian Wood, or maybe a Siakam.

[Shak_Celts]

cam payne is so cocky and i still love it. u gotta believe you're the ish in order to be it!

[Brett43]

Why can’t Lonzo be signed?

My plan:
Try and sign Fournier
If not, try for Lonzo
Bring over Yam Madar
Sign IT as background PG for Vet minimum
Trade TT for a sharp shooter of similar skills, since TT is NOT a scrub.
Brad can earn his salary by filling in the details

[bucknersrevenge]

Moses seems like perfect guy to play the banger role, and soak up regular season minutes to preserve Al and RWIII for the playoffs. Hopefully he picks up the defensive schemes without issue.

Batum would be a nice pickup for some swing depth, but I wonder if he’s played his way into a better deal…?

I don’t know much about Wright but I’m currently in the camp that would like to see PP get more opportunity to step up (unless we can get a guy like Lowry).

I’m also expecting big improvements and enhanced roles for Langford and Neismith. Right now is when we can get the most value from these cost controlled picks, after investing year/s and millions in their development already, they’ve shown enough to earn a rotation spot and build their value. Moving them or RW for middling picks as has been suggested by some seems like a treadmill kinda move to me. These guys are elite prospects (debatable with Neismith, but Rob and Romeo were elite for their classes with injury concerns)… we need to give them opportunities to shine, and build value for future consolidation moves.

I feel comfortable rolling out the following lineup to compete for home court and remain vigilant and flexible for when the next star shakes free:

Hypothetical Starters:
Pritchard
Langford (guards opposing team’s best wing to preserve the J’s)
Brown
Tatum
Williams

Bench:
Smart
Fournier
Neismith
Horford (Parker and Grant situationally)
Moses (not suggesting a double big lineup with Moses)

Closers:
Smart
Fournier
Brown
Tatum
Horford

I like our chances against anyone but Brooklyn in the East.

Not me but maybe it'll be different with a new coach.
Fourniers a bad closer due to his defense.
The lineup is still too small with Brown Tatum and Horford in the front court.

Fournier’s defense is no worse than average, to me. Yes, Harden will embarrass him like most players. I don’t see why Fournier can’t play the Joe Harris/Huerter role for us only better.

Agreed that lineup is too small to compete for a championship. I like the RWIII/ Moses combo at 5, for now. Finding the long term, 2-way switchable stud at PF is the move I’m holding out for. Not sure who that guy is yet. Would love a Jeremi Grant or Christian Wood, or maybe a Siakam.

Fournier's not coming back here to come off the bench. That guy is a starter and he's gonna get paid like a starter.

[Brett43]

What about Rondo? He’s a UFA and still playing at a high level. I would like IT back for fun, but I think Rondo would be an amazing backup to have. I’m watching him play in the Western Conference Finals right now. “What a pass by Rondo.”

[lon3lytoaster]

What about Rondo? He’s a UFA and still playing at a high level. I would like IT back for fun, but I think Rondo would be an amazing backup to have. I’m watching him play in the Western Conference Finals right now. “What a pass by Rondo.”

I’m fine with it just to have a vet around.

[Brett43]

What about Rondo? He’s a UFA and still playing at a high level. I would like IT back for fun, but I think Rondo would be an amazing backup to have. I’m watching him play in the Western Conference Finals right now. “What a pass by Rondo.”

I’m fine with it just to have a vet around.

I don’t bring him up just to have him sit on the bench. We really could use a distributor like him.