Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24

zoyathedestroya · Post #461 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:06 pm

My free agency grades:
Celtics/Brad Stevens - A+++
Everyone else - F--

Floody100 · Post #462 » by **Floody100** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:07 pm

cloverleaf · Post #463 » by **cloverleaf** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:07 pm

Hal14 wrote:2023: nuggets backup PG was Reggie Jackson, who sat on the bench for the entire playoff run. Murray starting PG. Brown and KC were wings.

2022: warriors backup PG was nobody. Poole is a 2, Payton was a 2. Klay is a 2/3

2021: Bucks backup PG was Bryn Forbes, who barely played in the playoffs for them (9th on the team in minutes). Pritchard is just as good as him

2020: the only had 1 PG who got minutes and it was Rondo, who only played 24 MPG in the playoffs

2019: Raptors backup PG was Vanvleet. No other PG got mins for them

The NBA has evolved. It's not like the 80's 90's and early 2000's where teams had a PG who ran the show, was the floor general, brought the ball up the floor and got into a PnR or some other set.

Now, in 2023 way more guys can handle the ball. You've got bigger dudes like Paul George, KD, Tatum and Siakam who can handle the ball out on the perimeter, initiate the offense, make slick passes, etc. With all these wings/forwards who can do this stuff (and are pretty much just as quick/mobile as most guards) you can afford to have an extra wing on the floor (and perhaps 1 less guard) like how the C's play JB at the 2 and Tatum at the 3, or how the nuggets play KCP at the 2 and MPJ at the 3 - in both scenarios, the team only has 1 traditional "guard" on the floor.

You've got many teams (like the warriors with Draymond the KIngs with Sabonis, the Nuggets with Jokic, Miami with Bam, celtics with rob and al, sixers with Embiid, etc.) who frequently run offense through their bigs out on the high post, at the elbows, beyond the 3 pt line or from the low post. Since the big is used as a playmaker, there's less of a need to have a traditional PG on the floor with them.

It's the era of positionless basketball.

Lastly, by going with bigger lineups that have only 1 guard (or 0 PGs, maybe just 1 guard who's a combo guard) you're able to overwhelm your opponent with size, you can more easily score near the basket, more easily get rebounds, it's harder for your small opponents to shoot over you, easier for you to shoot and see over the top of the defense when facing smaller teams, etc. And since in today's NBA there's way more players who can handle the ball, more players who are playmakers, more wings/forwards who move like guards, more bigs who move like forwards - you can get away with a bigger lineup that has only 1 guard (or 0 PGs, maybe just 1 guard who's a combo guard).

Except the Jays need someone to be their quicker/better brains out on the court. They can't keep looking to JB as a secondary ball handler. Smart was as bad as JT at slowing down their play in second halves. Their bigs process more quickly, but they still need a thinking/instinctive PG out there.

Post #464 » by **Froob** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:07 pm

Draymond deal is ok I guess

Floody100 · Post #465 » by **Floody100** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:07 pm

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Celts17Pride · Post #466 » by **Celts17Pride** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:07 pm

Prince to Lakers, Kuzma to Wiz, Coby White to Chicago, Levert to Clev

zoyathedestroya · Post #467 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:07 pm

LOL Lakers tampering and will never be penalized for it. No way Prince talked to them and agreed in the first five minutes. Just get rid of tampering rules.

hugepatsfan · Post #468 » by **hugepatsfan** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:08 pm

Taurean Prince to Lakers. Sure that will sting for the group that wanted him here

Floody100 · Post #469 » by **Floody100** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:08 pm

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playa-hater · Post #470 » by **playa-hater** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:09 pm

Bruce Brown to Indiana??

tfribs45 · Post #471 » by **tfribs45** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:09 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
Froob wrote:God I hope we don’t dump Brogdon

It's possible. I can easily see Brogdon getting traded but not dumped.

We better have a plan b if we trade Brogdan. PP being 2 on the depth chart for pg’s is not winning basketball

Post #472 » by **165bows** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:09 pm

Froob wrote:Draymond deal is ok I guess

Stinks for that pick. Hoping he was going to bolt.

hugepatsfan · Post #473 » by **hugepatsfan** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:09 pm

Kuzma back to WAS makes sense. Spots for him to get paid never materialized. WAS can sign him now and trade him later so it works for all sides.

Floody100 · Post #474 » by **Floody100** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:09 pm

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Post #475 » by **Froob** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:09 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:LOL Lakers tampering and will never be penalized for it. No way Prince talked to them and agreed in the first five minutes. Just get rid of tampering rules.

Thought I read Tayshaun Prince, I was stunned Rudy Gay is still in the league but no way Tayshaun is

Celts17Pride · Post #476 » by **Celts17Pride** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:09 pm

T Lyles back to the Kings

playa-hater · Post #477 » by **playa-hater** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:09 pm

4 years and 105 to Kuzma to return To Washington :crazy:

zoyathedestroya · Post #478 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:10 pm

Kuzma and Poole on the same team? They should add Oubre to form a big 3.

Floody100 · Post #479 » by **Floody100** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:10 pm

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zoyathedestroya · Post #480 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:11 pm

Why can't we sign JB to LeVert money?