Trade/Free Agency Thread, part 7, 2023-24

zoyathedestroya · Post #461 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 9:23 pm

Justin Holiday to the Nuggets, per Woj.

Celts17Pride · Post #462 » by **Celts17Pride** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 9:24 pm

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Celtics were in on Siakam, just a guess

Post #463 » by **darrendaye** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 9:24 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:Justin Holiday to the Nuggets, per Woj.

Meh. I'm more interested in Aaron Holiday if they decide to trade Pritchard.

Red2 · Post #464 » by **Red2** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 9:24 pm

Eric Gordon would have been nice.guess the “ green light” from Wyc is code for don’t spend any money

Red2 · Post #465 » by **Red2** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 9:25 pm

You could fill a lot of holes by trading Jaylen. Jus’ saying

chakdaddy · Post #466 » by **chakdaddy** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 9:29 pm

Red2 wrote:You could fill a lot of holes by trading Jaylen. Jus’ saying

Reminds me of Bruins trading Seguin. Trade a quarter for 3 dimes. Then throw away the dimes because, hey, they're only dimes.

Ben-N1ce · Post #467 » by **Ben-N1ce** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 9:33 pm

Cricket23 wrote:I think we desperately need a true starting level point guard, and it would appear that moving Brown or Brogdon+ are the only ways to get one.

Brogdon + Grant S & T would equal Harden's salary almost perfectly. Just saying

Brogdon averaged like 18/6/5 3 years in row lol pass first PG is the most overrated thing in the entire NBA..

aim2please · Post #468 » by **aim2please** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 9:35 pm

I don't remember this many guys that can play rotational minutes being available for the minimum. I'm not even talking about young guys looking for a 2nd chance (Reddish, Hayes) or washed up emergency backup vets (Zeller, Beverley, DeAndre Jordan, Alex Len).

I'm talking about guys like Gordon, Richardson, Eubanks, Bates-Diop, Bryant, Walker IV. All of these guys should be getting 5M+ , at least tax MLE or BAE if they're not worth cap space.

One reason is that for guys with 10y+ of experience (like Gordon), difference between minimum ($3.1M) and tax MLE ($5M) is negligible.

WeLikeOurGuys · Post #469 » by **WeLikeOurGuys** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 9:38 pm

chakdaddy wrote:
Red2 wrote:You could fill a lot of holes by trading Jaylen. Jus’ saying

Reminds me of Bruins trading Seguin. Trade a quarter for 3 dimes. Then throw away the dimes because, hey, they're only dimes.

The Seguin return has to be one of the crappiest returns ever for a “star” player in the NHL.

Cricket23 · Post #470 » by **Cricket23** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 9:39 pm

aim2please wrote:I don't remember this many guys that can play rotational minutes being available for the minimum. I'm not even talking about young guys looking for a 2nd chance (Reddish, Hayes) or washed up emergency backup vets (Zeller, Beverley, DeAndre Jordan, Alex Len).

I'm talking about guys like Gordon, Richardson, Eubanks, Bates-Diop, Bryant, Walker IV. All of these guys should be getting 5M+ , at least tax MLE or BAE if they're not worth cap space.

One reason is that for guys with 10y+ of experience (like Gordon), difference between minimum ($3.1M) and tax MLE ($5M) is negligible.

Since they've only signed Brissett, it makes me wonder if there's a 1 for 2 trade in Boston's future.

titlebound1 · Post #471 » by **titlebound1** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 9:41 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:

Read on Twitter

Are you kidding me? There's no way he's really that ignorant. What a scumbag

aim2please · Post #472 » by **aim2please** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 9:43 pm

Denver is gonna be good, but they added trash to their bench. Lost Brown and Green, who were part of their TOP 8.

Brought back Jordan for the min (washed up, but I guess fine for the vibes).

Gave tax MLE to washed up Jackson (with player option on year 2). Added washed up Holiday who couldn't break into rotation for the Hawks or the Mavs last season. So many solid guys available for the min, they brought 3 guys that will give them nothing.

titlebound1 · Post #473 » by **titlebound1** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 9:45 pm

KamikazeK wrote:
Scarletfire81 wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:Is this true?

Read on Twitter

It’s crazy how much taxes we have to pay in the US & there are always people demanding we pay more… Sorry Bernie, people are paying their fair share, if not more…

Are you making 40m+ per year? Then why tf are you crying?

Because theft is wrong even if it's someone else being ripped off

zoyathedestroya · Post #474 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 9:46 pm

Philly's asking price for Harden is "extremely high" and the 76ers are prepared to wait for the most advantageous deal to accommodate Harden's trade request, per @wojespn.

This guy is on an expiring (Dame signed to 3 more years) and can sit his fat ass out (Dame won't). Blazers stance should at least mirror this. Don't give in. Get the best possible return.

KamikazeK · Post #475 » by **KamikazeK** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 9:50 pm

titlebound1 wrote:
KamikazeK wrote:
Scarletfire81 wrote:
It’s crazy how much taxes we have to pay in the US & there are always people demanding we pay more… Sorry Bernie, people are paying their fair share, if not more…

Are you making 40m+ per year? Then why tf are you crying?

Because theft is wrong even if it's someone else being ripped off

You're welcome to go live off the land if you don't want to contribute to society.

titlebound1 · Post #476 » by **titlebound1** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 9:50 pm

ryan in Maine wrote:
Scarletfire81 wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:Is this true?

Read on Twitter

It’s crazy how much taxes we have to pay in the US & there are always people demanding we pay more… Sorry Bernie, people are paying their fair share, if not more…

It's not crazy and rich people are not close to paying fairly into the system in the US. Nowhere close.

I'll never understand the desire to take a grenade for the 1%. It's like people lose their ability to reason with 7-figure numbers.

That's a super weird perspective. I don't want anyone to pay any income tax. How is that taking a grenade for super rich people? Losing 50% of your income to taxes is BS. Especially when our government isn't even capable of managing a McDonalds

Shuttlesworth99 · Post #477 » by **Shuttlesworth99** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 9:53 pm

titlebound1 wrote:
ryan in Maine wrote:
Scarletfire81 wrote:
It’s crazy how much taxes we have to pay in the US & there are always people demanding we pay more… Sorry Bernie, people are paying their fair share, if not more…

It's not crazy and rich people are not close to paying fairly into the system in the US. Nowhere close.

I'll never understand the desire to take a grenade for the 1%. It's like people lose their ability to reason with 7-figure numbers.

That's a super weird perspective. I don't want anyone to pay any income tax. How is that taking a grenade for super rich people? Losing 50% of your income to taxes is BS. Especially when our government isn't even capable of managing a McDonalds

I think it should be noted - the escrow is paid to players at the end of the season I believe if the NBA hits a revenue target

titlebound1 · Post #478 » by **titlebound1** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 9:54 pm

KamikazeK wrote:
titlebound1 wrote:
KamikazeK wrote:Are you making 40m+ per year? Then why tf are you crying?

Because theft is wrong even if it's someone else being ripped off

You're welcome to go live off the land if you don't want to contribute to society.

That's why we moved to Texas. It's been tremendous. Much healthier way to live

What a wild mindset. How much of Haliburton's contract do you believe Washington is entitled to? Taxation implies ownership. Does the government own our labor?

Please avoid political derailing, thx.

titlebound1 · Post #479 » by **titlebound1** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 9:56 pm

Shuttlesworth99 wrote:
titlebound1 wrote:
ryan in Maine wrote:It's not crazy and rich people are not close to paying fairly into the system in the US. Nowhere close.

I'll never understand the desire to take a grenade for the 1%. It's like people lose their ability to reason with 7-figure numbers.

That's a super weird perspective. I don't want anyone to pay any income tax. How is that taking a grenade for super rich people? Losing 50% of your income to taxes is BS. Especially when our government isn't even capable of managing a McDonalds

I think it should be noted - the escrow is paid to players at the end of the season I believe if the NBA hits a revenue target

I've never heard of that before. I remember KG talking about how ownership holds a % of the contract. Wonder how many times (aside from the COVID years) that it hasn't been paid out

aim2please · Post #480 » by **aim2please** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 9:56 pm

Cricket23 wrote:
aim2please wrote:I don't remember this many guys that can play rotational minutes being available for the minimum. I'm not even talking about young guys looking for a 2nd chance (Reddish, Hayes) or washed up emergency backup vets (Zeller, Beverley, DeAndre Jordan, Alex Len).

I'm talking about guys like Gordon, Richardson, Eubanks, Bates-Diop, Bryant, Walker IV. All of these guys should be getting 5M+ , at least tax MLE or BAE if they're not worth cap space.

One reason is that for guys with 10y+ of experience (like Gordon), difference between minimum ($3.1M) and tax MLE ($5M) is negligible.

Since they've only signed Brissett, it makes me wonder if there's a 1 for 2 trade in Boston's future.

White/Brown/Tatum/Porzingis/Williams
Pritchard/Brogdon/Hauser/?/Horford
Davison*/Champagnie*/Walsh*/Brissett/Kornet*

Not sure. IMO, the roster is pretty much set with 10 guys on guaranteed deals. Walsh should get standard deal and 11th spot. Kornet and Champagnie are on non-guaranteed deals. My guess is that Davison is gonna get a standard deal as a 3rd string PG

So that leaves one more rotational player to be signed. Either Grant, a player via Grant sign and trade or tax MLE guy. That's my best guess.