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Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2

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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#461 » by Curmudgeon » Wed Sep 10, 2025 2:49 pm

phincsfan wrote:The Wiz are driving that M1 Abrams for this season.

Taking on a player who can eeek out a few extra wins isn't in their plans IMO.


Maybe, but Sarr and Coulibaly are good young players. The problem is that Simons would just take shots away from McCollum. He's not what they need whether they are tanking or not.

Milwaukee is a team that could use Simons. The Giannis at the point experiment is going to last about a month, if that. The Kings could also use Simons.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#462 » by Larry_Russell » Wed Sep 10, 2025 4:24 pm

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phincsfan wrote:The Wiz are driving that M1 Abrams for this season.

Taking on a player who can eeek out a few extra wins isn't in their plans IMO.


Maybe, but Sarr and Coulibaly are good young players. The problem is that Simons would just take shots away from McCollum. He's not what they need whether they are tanking or not.

Milwaukee is a team that could use Simons. The Giannis at the point experiment is going to last about a month, if that. The Kings could also use Simons.



I think Simons to the kings makes a bunch of sense for them honestly.

Not sure what the deal would look like but I would assume it has to include Monk.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#463 » by Fierce1 » Wed Sep 10, 2025 4:31 pm

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phincsfan wrote:The Wiz are driving that M1 Abrams for this season.

Taking on a player who can eeek out a few extra wins isn't in their plans IMO.


Maybe, but Sarr and Coulibaly are good young players. The problem is that Simons would just take shots away from McCollum. He's not what they need whether they are tanking or not.

Milwaukee is a team that could use Simons. The Giannis at the point experiment is going to last about a month, if that. The Kings could also use Simons.



I think Simons to the kings makes a bunch of sense for them honestly.

Not sure what the deal would look like but I would assume it has to include Monk.

So instead of trading Simons to solve the tax problem, you're going to trade him for another small guard that's going to be getting 20m next season and 21.5m in 2027-28.

Ugh!
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#464 » by Fierce1 » Wed Sep 10, 2025 4:34 pm

Simons to the Kings in T minus... :lol:
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#465 » by djFan71 » Wed Sep 10, 2025 4:49 pm

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Larry_Russell wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:
Maybe, but Sarr and Coulibaly are good young players. The problem is that Simons would just take shots away from McCollum. He's not what they need whether they are tanking or not.

Milwaukee is a team that could use Simons. The Giannis at the point experiment is going to last about a month, if that. The Kings could also use Simons.



I think Simons to the kings makes a bunch of sense for them honestly.

Not sure what the deal would look like but I would assume it has to include Monk.

So instead of trading Simons to solve the tax problem, you're going to trade him for another small guard that's going to be getting 20m next season and 21.5m in 2027-28.

Ugh!

Would probably be a 3-team to help step down salary as you go. Monk goes elsewhere and someone cheaper comes to BOS. The tough part is the trade needs to find homes for 2 score-first guards. DAL seems like a good spot for Monk since they have no creation with Kyrie out. Something like this works money-wise:

DAL: Monk
BOS: Gafford, Jones
SAC: Simons, Tillman

But, DAL wouldn't want to go over the tax (they just stretched OMP to get under), and there are picks going somewhere probably, and a 4th team eating salary from DAL, etc. So, working all the out is hard - or doesn't happen. But there are some frameworks that are feasible if you can get all the pieces to fit. Trades are hard.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#466 » by Fierce1 » Wed Sep 10, 2025 5:04 pm

From what's happening now, it's looking like Brad is open to trading Simons but not really pushing hard to trade Simons.

The end result is Simons still a Celtic.

Or the cost of forcing a Simons trade is not worth it.

Really nothing to do with aggregating players.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#467 » by djFan71 » Wed Sep 10, 2025 6:12 pm

Fierce1 wrote:From what's happening now, it's looking like Brad is open to trading Simons but not really pushing hard to trade Simons.

The end result is Simons still a Celtic.

Or the cost of forcing a Simons trade is not worth it.

Really nothing to do with aggregating players.

Yeah, aggregating was always just one hurdle of several. Kuminga is holding up a few other teams form doing anything. Recently signed and traded guys have timeframes in when they can retraded, etc. plus, it’s just hard to make things work.

I agree he’s open to it but only on his terms - ie no significant picks to dump, or a clear upgrade.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#468 » by CelticFaninLBC » Wed Sep 10, 2025 6:50 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:
phincsfan wrote:The Wiz are driving that M1 Abrams for this season.

Taking on a player who can eeek out a few extra wins isn't in their plans IMO.


Maybe, but Sarr and Coulibaly are good young players. The problem is that Simons would just take shots away from McCollum. He's not what they need whether they are tanking or not.

Milwaukee is a team that could use Simons. The Giannis at the point experiment is going to last about a month, if that. The Kings could also use Simons.


The Bucks do look like a team that could use Simons. They just need to add a big contract that isn't Kyle Kuzma and that leaves Bobby Portis, who can be dealt in October...
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#469 » by redslastlaugh » Wed Sep 10, 2025 7:04 pm

CelticFaninLBC wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:
phincsfan wrote:The Wiz are driving that M1 Abrams for this season.

Taking on a player who can eeek out a few extra wins isn't in their plans IMO.


Maybe, but Sarr and Coulibaly are good young players. The problem is that Simons would just take shots away from McCollum. He's not what they need whether they are tanking or not.

Milwaukee is a team that could use Simons. The Giannis at the point experiment is going to last about a month, if that. The Kings could also use Simons.


The Bucks do look like a team that could use Simons. They just need to add a big contract that isn't Kyle Kuzma and that leaves Bobby Portis, who can be dealt in October...

I don't know, they seem to have Gary Trent Jr who had a good year in a simons type role and Trent Jr is like $3.5 million this year vs Ant's $27.7 ... I think Milwaukee badly needs talent, but I don't know if Simons is the guy. I hope so, though, and I wouldn't mind reworking the framework of:
Nurkic to POR
Simons to MIL
Robwill to BOS
Kuzma to Utah (plus picks)

But I just don't see MIL really wanting Simons
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#470 » by Curmudgeon » Wed Sep 10, 2025 7:25 pm

A Simons deal that makes basketball sense for the Celtics will probably have to be brokered by the Nets.

Another team that could use Simons is OKC, to take some of the perimeter scoring load away from SGA.
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Post#471 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Wed Sep 10, 2025 7:33 pm

That can be arranged...

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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#472 » by redslastlaugh » Wed Sep 10, 2025 8:11 pm

Atlanta signs Charles Bassey to a training camp deal ...

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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#473 » by brackdan70 » Wed Sep 10, 2025 8:55 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:
phincsfan wrote:The Wiz are driving that M1 Abrams for this season.

Taking on a player who can eeek out a few extra wins isn't in their plans IMO.


Maybe, but Sarr and Coulibaly are good young players. The problem is that Simons would just take shots away from McCollum. He's not what they need whether they are tanking or not.

Milwaukee is a team that could use Simons. The Giannis at the point experiment is going to last about a month, if that. The Kings could also use Simons.

I agree Milwaukee makes some sense. Kings fans on the trade board don’t think Simons makes any sense for them.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#474 » by brackdan70 » Wed Sep 10, 2025 9:00 pm

bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:That can be arranged...

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Lol.
That’s really the only way to answer that question.

You can’t say No and can’t say yes.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#475 » by Parliament10 » Wed Sep 10, 2025 9:45 pm

redslastlaugh wrote:Atlanta signs Charles Bassey to a training camp deal ...

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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#476 » by brackdan70 » Wed Sep 10, 2025 10:00 pm

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redslastlaugh wrote:Atlanta signs Charles Bassey to a training camp deal ...

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Ugggh. This was a drop-the-ball moment for Brad Stevens.

Yeah kind of wish we would have signed him at least to a camp invite but I think dropping the ball is a bit of a strong assessment. It’s not like he is Neemias Queta or something.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#477 » by Hal14 » Wed Sep 10, 2025 10:00 pm

Parliament10 wrote:
redslastlaugh wrote:Atlanta signs Charles Bassey to a training camp deal ...

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Ugggh. This was a drop-the-ball moment for Brad Stevens.

It's just a training camp contract.

30 teams in the NBA. All 30 of them decided against offering Bassey a real NBA contract.

Yet it's Brad who dropped the ball?

Bassey has never even been on the Celtics..he just played in a few summer league games for us and put up decent numbers off the bench, going against summer league bench units.

He was on the Spurs last season. If any GM dropped the ball, it's the Spurs. And it doesn't really make sense to say anyone dropped the ball. I can see, maybe it would make sense to say that if Bassey ends up playing for some other NBA team this season, plays like 60+ games and puts up some awesome numbers. But until that happens, no one dropped the ball.

All 30 teams have decided he's not worth a standard contract. Hawks are simply filling out their training camp roster. They're probably going to cut him at the end of camp..they already have Porzingis and Okongwu who will get most of the mins at the 5..plus they just drafted Asa Newell in the 1st round and have Gueye waiting in the wings as well. And they have Nfaly Dante. They have no need for Bassey..apparently, no NBA does..
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#478 » by Fierce1 » Wed Sep 10, 2025 10:46 pm

From what I saw in summer league play, Bassey gives you rebounds and inside scoring.

But his switchability on defense was not good.

He had trouble defending on the perimeter also.

So maybe that's why the Cs opted for Boucher.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#479 » by Gant » Wed Sep 10, 2025 11:16 pm

The Celtics letting Bassey go could indicate that Tillman will be able to play this season. Otherwise the roster only has two centers and one power forward, plus a two-way center. That's not enough if there's an injury.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#480 » by Parliament10 » Wed Sep 10, 2025 11:39 pm

Hal14 wrote:
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redslastlaugh wrote:Atlanta signs Charles Bassey to a training camp deal ...

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Ugggh. This was a drop-the-ball moment for Brad Stevens.

It's just a training camp contract.

30 teams in the NBA. All 30 of them decided against offering Bassey a real NBA contract.

Yet it's Brad who dropped the ball?

Bassey has never even been on the Celtics..he just played in a few summer league games for us and put up decent numbers off the bench, going against summer league bench units.

He was on the Spurs last season. If any GM dropped the ball, it's the Spurs. And it doesn't really make sense to say anyone dropped the ball. I can see, maybe it would make sense to say that if Bassey ends up playing for some other NBA team this season, plays like 60+ games and puts up some awesome numbers. But until that happens, no one dropped the ball.

All 30 teams have decided he's not worth a standard contract. Hawks are simply filling out their training camp roster. They're probably going to cut him at the end of camp..they already have Porzingis and Okongwu who will get most of the mins at the 5..plus they just drafted Asa Newell in the 1st round and have Gueye waiting in the wings as well. And they have Nfaly Dante. They have no need for Bassey..apparently, no NBA does..

TBH with you, I can never read everything that you're saying, cause TL;DR.
But, Yeah it's Brad Stevens who dropped the ball. We don't care about any other POBO. Why would we?
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