Marcus Smart free agency Take 2. "He works hard for the money" Agrees to 4 year 52$ million deal page 32

[SmartWentCrazy]

This deal is roughly 70% about Smart's contributions, and 30% about getting a mid-range contract on the books which can be used as future trade lubricant. (Made up numbers alert.)

Overpaying Smart a couple mil has the costs of: overpaying Smart a couple mil, and possibly having to give away (or pay to move) someone like Yabusele to duck the tax.

Getting Smart on the QO or not at all, possibly costs you the ability to construct a winning trade if someone with a big salary you want becomes available.

1) What if we only offer Bird a 2 way and stretch/waive Nader? Will that save us enough to stay out of the tax? I like Bird, I think he is a fringe NBA player, but unless we lose 4 or 5 guys he will play less than 200 minutes this year.

2) what is the estimated cost to get Yabs off the roster?

I've been assuming the waive+stretch of Nader, but HartfordWhalers made the point that it probably won't be hard to simply pay someone cash to waive him for us. It's not a dealbreaking distinction either way, but I think he's probably right, which saves either 64k or 90k.

Getting Bird on the 2-way does not get it done, unless the deal is down in the 4/44 range, which it doesn't sound like it will be. So, you're still short, and then need to move Yabs anyway. Might as well sign Bird and plan to move Yabs. The only reason to not sign Bird at that point is if you feel you can do better with the roster spot for another minimum guy in waiving season.

I have no idea what it would cost to move Yabs. I want to think that a SAC or BRK would take him for free, but maybe they value him so little that they'd rather try to squeeze something out of us. Can see it going either way. Being in the position of needing to move him, and everyone knowing you need to move him, is not the best place to be.

I think Atlanta could be convinced to take him in exchange for cash. Theyre trying to emulate GS and he could intrigue them.

[Datruth345]

This feels like the Avery contract to me. Most people thought Avery was getting overpaid at 8M per, and that 6M was more appropriate. Well, salaries are forecast to go up a lot of the next couple of years. Methinks this will end up looking like a bargain after a couple of years, much like Avery's did.

Bingo

[tombattor]

Shoot sorry, I just got back from the (puking) bathroom after read the original post. Smart and Rozy whhhaaazttttttt!!!!!!!!!! RUFingKM!

Maybe you haven't noticed, but players leave in free agency and when that player leaves, you don't replace him with a cutout of that player. You replace him with other players on your roster. So guarding against that possibility is hardly vomit worthy.

Sorry Tom but thats not how it reads.

Smart can run the offense and with T-Ro's scoring, we should be able to fill that hole.

That like adding a cup of water to a desert and saying we have water hole!

IMO MS has zero offensive game. he would be a complete failure if he played the whole game

If offense was his calling, your desert/cup of water analogy works, but it's not. So maybe he's like a shade in the hot desert. Sure, it's not water, but if you can get water from somewhere else, that shade will do wonders for you.

His shooting is atrocious. I can't defend that. However, you are also wrong, if you think he contributes nothing because of his poor shooting.

[Bad-Thoma]

Shoot sorry, I just got back from the (puking) bathroom after read the original post. Smart and Rozy whhhaaazttttttt!!!!!!!!!! RUFingKM!

Maybe you haven't noticed, but players leave in free agency and when that player leaves, you don't replace him with a cutout of that player. You replace him with other players on your roster. So guarding against that possibility is hardly vomit worthy.

Sorry Tom but thats not how it reads.

Smart can run the offense and with T-Ro's scoring, we should be able to fill that hole.

That like adding a cup of water to a desert and saying we have water hole!

IMO MS has zero offensive game. he would be a complete failure if he played the whole game

Then your opinion is wrong. The team has a better offensive rating when he is on the floor, and that' across a huge sample size.

[drs123310]

Really happy this will finally be over soon. Smart is the heart of this team

4/$48-50 call it a day and let's party

[sully00]

Maybe you haven't noticed, but players leave in free agency and when that player leaves, you don't replace him with a cutout of that player. You replace him with other players on your roster. So guarding against that possibility is hardly vomit worthy.

Sorry Tom but thats not how it reads.

Smart can run the offense and with T-Ro's scoring, we should be able to fill that hole.

That like adding a cup of water to a desert and saying we have water hole!

IMO MS has zero offensive game. he would be a complete failure if he played the whole game

Then your opinion is wrong. The team has a better offensive rating when he is on the floor, and that' across a huge sample size.

That is not true at all Marcus Smart has a terrible ORTG because he is bad offensive player, @ 97 he is tied with Ojeleye for the worst among rotation players. For his career he is a slightly better 100. Rozier was a 109 lat season both Smart and Rozier had a 104 Defensive Rating which is very good compared to the rest of the team especially the guards.

[ermocrate]

4/46-50 is a good deal for both.

[rickrolled]

His agent put this out there to use it as some sort of leverage point. Then he gets quoted saying they're still talking. If he signs for this amount I'd consider this a loss to the franchise.

[meatball sub]

This is a big fat L if they go into the tax by paying Smart $12 mil per year. If he gets paid he better learn to shoot as a sign of good faith

[SichtingLives]

Love Smart and his roles are many both on court and off for this team but I never want to see him leaned on for heavy crunchtime minutes in an ecf finals again. Goooooo health!

[celticfan42487]

Sorry Tom but thats not how it reads.

That like adding a cup of water to a desert and saying we have water hole!

IMO MS has zero offensive game. he would be a complete failure if he played the whole game

Then your opinion is wrong. The team has a better offensive rating when he is on the floor, and that' across a huge sample size.

That is not true at all Marcus Smart has a terrible ORTG because he is bad offensive player, @ 97 he is tied with Ojeleye for the worst among rotation players. For his career he is a slightly better 100. Rozier was a 109 lat season both Smart and Rozier had a 104 Defensive Rating which is very good compared to the rest of the team especially the guards.

Yeah saying Smart because the team has a better offensive rating is a pretty horrible stat searching for a narrative that a few minutes of watching the game will say is false.

He's a great defender, he's one of the worst offensive players.

If you had no weaknesses then as a 24 year old player he'd be getting the max.

We also got to chill on rating Smart so highly as a defender, he hasn't even been nominated for an all-defense team in the league for a reason. He's alright, but he isn't game changing. Yet the narrative in this thread talks like he's a DPOY contender.

[Feed Your Head]

Sorry Tom but thats not how it reads.

That like adding a cup of water to a desert and saying we have water hole!

IMO MS has zero offensive game. he would be a complete failure if he played the whole game

Then your opinion is wrong. The team has a better offensive rating when he is on the floor, and that' across a huge sample size.

That is not true at all Marcus Smart has a terrible ORTG because he is bad offensive player, @ 97 he is tied with Ojeleye for the worst among rotation players. For his career he is a slightly better 100. Rozier was a 109 lat season both Smart and Rozier had a 104 Defensive Rating which is very good compared to the rest of the team especially the guards.

The Celtics offensive rating when Smart was in this year was 108.4, was 107.9 when he was off. When terry was in their rating was 106.7, and when he was off it was 109.7.

Yes i know his was 97, but the team performed better on offense with him in, and much better than when Terry was in. So he cant be that big of an issue for their offense.

[GoCeltics123]

Read on Twitter

Says our offer to Smart prior to the deadline earlier in the season was 4 yrs/50 mil

[robdog_5]

4 years for 40 to 44 would be more my ideal sweet spot. However I think he makes us a better roster. My fear is he and Morris hyjack the offense too much when we have 2 elite scorers and 3 more good players who can score efficiently

[ConstableGeneva]

Already looking forward to people complaining about his salary every time he misses a shot or turns the ball over. Like how fans keep whining about Horford being overpaid every time he has a "bad game."


NOT. Sigh.

[Froob]

Already looking forward to people complaining about his salary every time he misses a shot or turns the ball over. Like how fans keep whining about Horford being overpaid every time he has a "bad game."


NOT. Sigh.

Should have spent that money on KD, IMO.

[Bad-Thoma]

Then your opinion is wrong. The team has a better offensive rating when he is on the floor, and that' across a huge sample size.

That is not true at all Marcus Smart has a terrible ORTG because he is bad offensive player, @ 97 he is tied with Ojeleye for the worst among rotation players. For his career he is a slightly better 100. Rozier was a 109 lat season both Smart and Rozier had a 104 Defensive Rating which is very good compared to the rest of the team especially the guards.

Yeah saying Smart because the team has a better offensive rating is a pretty horrible stat searching for a narrative that a few minutes of watching the game will say is false.

He's a great defender, he's one of the worst offensive players.

If you had no weaknesses then as a 24 year old player he'd be getting the max.

We also got to chill on rating Smart so highly as a defender, he hasn't even been nominated for an all-defense team in the league for a reason. He's alright, but he isn't game changing. Yet the narrative in this thread talks like he's a DPOY contender.

yeah, a few minutes of watching a game will tell you a lot . I watched almost every minute this season, and I don't think the statistics lie. The stat of the offense performing slightly better with him on the floor is over the course of 54 games at 30 minutes a game, hopefully someone will help me out and post it.

here are a couple articles that point to it at different points in the season though

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fancy-stats/wp/2018/03/07/the-celtics-marcus-smart-cant-shoot-heres-why-hes-an-all-star-contributor-though/?utm_term=.29b5ab38faa2

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/12/6/16739088/marcus-smart-shooting-stats-terrible-celtics-offense-works

It's not a narrative I'm trying to fulfill, it's what I see when I watch and statistically backed. He is a bad individual offensive player, I'm not arguing that, but he helps offset it by being a good team offensive player.

[tombattor]

Then your opinion is wrong. The team has a better offensive rating when he is on the floor, and that' across a huge sample size.

That is not true at all Marcus Smart has a terrible ORTG because he is bad offensive player, @ 97 he is tied with Ojeleye for the worst among rotation players. For his career he is a slightly better 100. Rozier was a 109 lat season both Smart and Rozier had a 104 Defensive Rating which is very good compared to the rest of the team especially the guards.

Yeah saying Smart because the team has a better offensive rating is a pretty horrible stat searching for a narrative that a few minutes of watching the game will say is false.

He's a great defender, he's one of the worst offensive players.

If you had no weaknesses then as a 24 year old player he'd be getting the max.

We also got to chill on rating Smart so highly as a defender, he hasn't even been nominated for an all-defense team in the league for a reason. He's alright, but he isn't game changing. Yet the narrative in this thread talks like he's a DPOY contender.

Yet, someone who is one of the worst offensive players is getting a $50M deal. That must mean he's doing well in other areas, right?

This maybe difficult for some to fathom, but there are guys who get paid based on something other than shooting. Like rebounding, shot blocking, defense, ball handling, etc.

[Celts17Pride]

Already looking forward to people complaining about his salary every time he misses a shot or turns the ball over. Like how fans keep whining about Horford being overpaid every time he has a "bad game."


NOT. Sigh.

Should have spent that money on KD, IMO.

Even better, Tyler Zeller!!!!

[sully00]

Then your opinion is wrong. The team has a better offensive rating when he is on the floor, and that' across a huge sample size.

That is not true at all Marcus Smart has a terrible ORTG because he is bad offensive player, @ 97 he is tied with Ojeleye for the worst among rotation players. For his career he is a slightly better 100. Rozier was a 109 lat season both Smart and Rozier had a 104 Defensive Rating which is very good compared to the rest of the team especially the guards.

The Celtics offensive rating when Smart was in this year was 108.4, was 107.9 when he was off. When terry was in their rating was 106.7, and when he was off it was 109.7.

That doesn't change the fact that Marcus Smart's offensive rating was 97 lets get real folks. Nobody is denying Marcus Smart has an impact but stop trying gaslight us with Marcus Smart and his awful shooting somehow is good for the offense.

I will buy that getting stops and turnovers makes it easier for guys like Tatum and Irving and Rozier to be even better offensive players but accept that this is what his happening and not this idea that Marcus Smart shooting 36% on 20% usage is really good offense that the rest of us are too stupid to appreciate.