Trade Thread Part Deux

[Bohemian]

I hope Hayward stays.

[jfs1000d]

It's weird.

People want to trade Gordon because they think we are small and duplicative with GH, Brown, and Tatum.

I think that is our greatest strength as a team. Gordon for KAT? Sure. Difference maker. But you don't trade GH for lesser players like that awful Derrick Favors and JJ Reddick rec. LOL.

[sam_I_am]

It's weird.

People want to trade Gordon because they think we are small and duplicative with GH, Brown, and Tatum.

I think that is our greatest strength as a team. Gordon for KAT? Sure. Difference maker. But you don't trade GH for lesser players like that awful Derrick Favors and JJ Reddick rec. LOL.

Last night was another example of how redundant the talent is. Team plays without Tatum and Brown and still got 36 pts from SG/SF because Smart and Green can fill in. No one advocates for giving Hayward away but when he opts out we not only risk losing him.....we also lose his salary slot. We also risk having to overpay him too. Gordon is a great player. So are Brown and Tatum. All 3 together hasn’t made us better than 2 so far. Maybe the load management part of it pays off later or even better maybe the team is finally clicking and about to prove everything I’ve just said wrong.

[snowman]

Some are missing the big picture here about Hayward. They say " We have Kimba, Tatum, Smart and Brown, there aren't enough minutes for all of them. Ok, lets just say we trade Hayward for a big. Then let's say one or two of Kimba, Tatum, Smart or Brown goes down with an injury that keeps them out for 3-5 games. (it has been known to happen here) Who is left to help pick up the scoring ? Especially in the playoffs. We have a unique situation here. No other team in the league has what we have right now. We have 5 guys that on any given night can get 20 +. Is this a finals team, I don't think so. I also don't think trading Hayward for a big is going to make us a finals team. But then I also didn't think we had a snowballs chance in hell to beat the Lakers as bad as we did. I just wanted us to not get embarrassed. After that game, I will never underestimate this team again.

My vote is to leave the top 8 (Kimba, Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Smart, Theis, R. Williams, Kanter) and a few of our rookies (Landford, G. Williams, Green) out of all trades.

With that being said, I am all for moving Wannamaker (we need a better back up pg) Edwards (with Kimba, and after we bring up Waters, we don't need 3 guys under 6 ft), Semi ( G. Williams can take all his minutes) Poirier (just not going to be able to handle NBA speed) and all 3 picks to upgrade our bench. We simply can not have another 4 rookies next year) Waters and hopefully Tacko are 2)

Few ideas:
Poirier, Semi, Edwards and a pick to Sac. for Bjelica
Poirier and a pick to Detroit for M. Morris
Semi, Edwards and a pick to Phoe for Saric
Poirier, Semi, Wannamaker and a pick to Det for Rose
Edwards and a pick to GS for Burks

We could even do both the last two to really bust our bench. And before anyone says Rose is a ball hog, and would take away time from our starters, isn't that exactly what the bench's job is, so the starters can rest?

I could get on board with any of these.

[Smog]

It's weird.

People want to trade Gordon because they think we are small and duplicative with GH, Brown, and Tatum.

I think that is our greatest strength as a team. Gordon for KAT? Sure. Difference maker. But you don't trade GH for lesser players like that awful Derrick Favors and JJ Reddick rec. LOL.

Last night was another example of how redundant the talent is. Team plays without Tatum and Brown and still got 36 pts from SG/SF because Smart and Green can fill in. No one advocates for giving Hayward away but when he opts out we not only risk losing him.....we also lose his salary slot. We also risk having to overpay him too. Gordon is a great player. So are Brown and Tatum. All 3 together hasn’t made us better than 2 so far. Maybe the load management part of it pays off later or even better maybe the team is finally clicking and about to prove everything I’ve just said wrong.

They've barely played together, and the issue isn't with the Jays and Hayward, it's that they're a little lacking in size overall. Look at this week. Hayward held up well enough guarding LeBron and Gordon. He can stand his ground in the post and switch out. He makes the offense run smoothly. When he's right physically they look great. They just need more presence in the middle. Golden State had the same problem pre-Draymond.

One bigger/more intimidating rotation player should make then competitive with most anyone.

[Curmudgeon]

I would have no problem going after players like Mykhailiuk and Georges Niang, both of whom shoot 40% plus from three point range.
Having said that, the Celtics as a team are 44 for 101 from beyond the arc in their last three games, so maybe they should stand pat.

[KGtabake]

Hayward for Vucevic straight up. For the big.
On secondary moves, a stretch 4 is a must and guys like Bjelica/Bertans can make wonders for the bench.
Kanter or Theis can make it happen.

[Green89]

Mannix reporting we're interested in Bertans.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Mannix reporting we're interested in Bertans.

So were not interested in Bertans I guess

[Celts17Pride]

Mannix reporting we're interested in Bertans.

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[SmartWentCrazy]

It's weird.

People want to trade Gordon because they think we are small and duplicative with GH, Brown, and Tatum.

I think that is our greatest strength as a team. Gordon for KAT? Sure. Difference maker. But you don't trade GH for lesser players like that awful Derrick Favors and JJ Reddick rec. LOL.

I dont want to trade Hayward because he’s duplicative.

I just recognize that management isnt going to give out four near max contracts for that core. And I recognize that, if enough reputable people are independently reporting our interest in high salary players, chances are that Ainge has looked into moving the player.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Still think my preferred route would be to try to upgrade the Ojeleye spot in the rotation. I personally would be good with Langford, Poirier, Semi and a non-Mem first for Covington. Think he’d be a great fit.

[Ascrilas]

I'd love to make a splash on players who are not only an immediate short-term help but could also become a player we keep long-term without breaking up our Top 7 players. I am especially looking at upcoming RFAs whose teams may not want to pay them, therefore looking for a deal to pull the trigger.

Two candidates I am eyeing:

- Dario Saric ($3.5 mil): Hard-nosed effort player, solid rebounder and bully scorer. Just one year ago, he was seen as a legit stretch 4, his shot from outside has tanked this year, but he has been capable from beyond the arc most of his career. His slow-footedness may be troublesome on defense, especially as he cannot absorb many switches, but overall, I still think he would still be a solid 8th man who can play 15-20 minutes even in the post-season. His value has been in free fall and I don't think Phoenix views him as a future piece. Poirier + one or two SRP may get it done - we could evaluate him for the rest of the year, and if we want to keep him, he would be retainable at an affordable price.

- Bogdan Bogdanovic ($8.5 mil): He may be the best player who can be acquired with the assets we have without breaking up our core. He can score, he can distribute, and in the right role, I believe he will be a formidable 6th man. Entering RFA soon, he is up for a hefty contract, so if we trade for him, we have to be ready to extend him, otherwise it would be a waste of assets, but we are capped out anyway, and Wyc is willing to spend. To me, Bogdan is a very talented player entering his prime whose versatile talents have been underused in his current team, and with Sacramento playing atrociously and paying big money to Hield and Barnes, they might not be willing to commit to him long-term, especially as Fox will have to be paid soon. He is a player who possesses legitimate trade value, therefore you would have to give up something of significance to get him, but I would be ready to do so. Langford + Poirier + Ojeleye + a SRP is something I would do immediately, I may even be tempted to throw in another low FRP instead. All this of course only makes sense if we kept Bogdan beyond this year.

[Fencer reregistered]

It's weird.

People want to trade Gordon because they think we are small and duplicative with GH, Brown, and Tatum.

I think that is our greatest strength as a team. Gordon for KAT? Sure. Difference maker. But you don't trade GH for lesser players like that awful Derrick Favors and JJ Reddick rec. LOL.

Last night was another example of how redundant the talent is. Team plays without Tatum and Brown and still got 36 pts from SG/SF because Smart and Green can fill in. No one advocates for giving Hayward away but when he opts out we not only risk losing him.....we also lose his salary slot. We also risk having to overpay him too. Gordon is a great player. So are Brown and Tatum. All 3 together hasn’t made us better than 2 so far. Maybe the load management part of it pays off later or even better maybe the team is finally clicking and about to prove everything I’ve just said wrong.

If we didn't have Hayward we wouldn't have beaten the Magic. He wasn't in that case redundant.

Teams always have injury issues. Besides the value of having good players even on injury nights, being able to play essentially the same way when somebody is banged up is also good for continuity.

[100proof]

It's weird.

People want to trade Gordon because they think we are small and duplicative with GH, Brown, and Tatum.

I think that is our greatest strength as a team. Gordon for KAT? Sure. Difference maker. But you don't trade GH for lesser players like that awful Derrick Favors and JJ Reddick rec. LOL.

Last night was another example of how redundant the talent is. Team plays without Tatum and Brown and still got 36 pts from SG/SF because Smart and Green can fill in. No one advocates for giving Hayward away but when he opts out we not only risk losing him.....we also lose his salary slot. We also risk having to overpay him too. Gordon is a great player. So are Brown and Tatum. All 3 together hasn’t made us better than 2 so far. Maybe the load management part of it pays off later or even better maybe the team is finally clicking and about to prove everything I’ve just said wrong.

If we didn't have Hayward we wouldn't have beaten the Magic. He wasn't in that case redundant.

Teams always have injury issues. Besides the value of having good players even on injury nights, being able to play essentially the same way when somebody is banged up is also good for continuity.

If we didnt have anyone on the team we wouldnt have beaten the magic.

I fail to see the logic in your point.

[sam_I_am]

It's weird.

People want to trade Gordon because they think we are small and duplicative with GH, Brown, and Tatum.

I think that is our greatest strength as a team. Gordon for KAT? Sure. Difference maker. But you don't trade GH for lesser players like that awful Derrick Favors and JJ Reddick rec. LOL.

Last night was another example of how redundant the talent is. Team plays without Tatum and Brown and still got 36 pts from SG/SF because Smart and Green can fill in. No one advocates for giving Hayward away but when he opts out we not only risk losing him.....we also lose his salary slot. We also risk having to overpay him too. Gordon is a great player. So are Brown and Tatum. All 3 together hasn’t made us better than 2 so far. Maybe the load management part of it pays off later or even better maybe the team is finally clicking and about to prove everything I’ve just said wrong.

If we didn't have Hayward we wouldn't have beaten the Magic. He wasn't in that case redundant.

Teams always have injury issues. Besides the value of having good players even on injury nights, being able to play essentially the same way when somebody is banged up is also good for continuity.

Having so many options can be a huge strength. But we are 12-4 without Hayward and only 28-10 with him. In practice, the redundancy isn’t making us better. Maybe a smaller move to upgrade PF depth could unleash the potential we all want to believe is there with all 3 wings.... but right now it’s not popping. Bucks have Giannis but even their bench play without him is elite. There is something to be said about having a smart balanced roster with pieces that fit together cohesively without holes.

Ultimately though, the reason to trade Hayward is that unless he opts in, we are losing him for nothing this off season. Just look at his stats with high usage. He is getting at least one 4 year 125m contract offer this summer but the Celtics can’t justify matching it.

[Homerclease]

Still think my preferred route would be to try to upgrade the Ojeleye spot in the rotation. I personally would be good with Langford, Poirier, Semi and a non-Mem first for Covington. Think he’d be a great fit.

I think Williams covers that as the season goes on. They need to upgrade Wanamaker in the worst way. Waters isn’t coming full time until next year and BW’s play has really nosedived after his solid start. Get a veteran point to run the second unit

[sam_I_am]

Still think my preferred route would be to try to upgrade the Ojeleye spot in the rotation. I personally would be good with Langford, Poirier, Semi and a non-Mem first for Covington. Think he’d be a great fit.

I think Williams covers that as the season goes on. They need to upgrade Wanamaker in the worst way. Waters isn’t coming full time until next year and BW’s play has really nosedived after his solid start. Get a veteran point to run the second unit

I feel like a healthy Smart is the upgrade over Wannamaker the team needed. I wish BW was running the point as a playmaker better but he is more than adequate as 3rd string.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Still think my preferred route would be to try to upgrade the Ojeleye spot in the rotation. I personally would be good with Langford, Poirier, Semi and a non-Mem first for Covington. Think he’d be a great fit.

I think Williams covers that as the season goes on. They need to upgrade Wanamaker in the worst way. Waters isn’t coming full time until next year and BW’s play has really nosedived after his solid start. Get a veteran point to run the second unit

Think they see Williams as more of a big than as a big wing.

[bucknersrevenge]

I haven't confirmed if this works but what about:

Hayward/Langford/Poirier to Sac for Dedmon/Joseph/Bielica and maybe an frp or 2.

It gets Sac out of 2 long term deals that don't really add much value to their team right now. They get a young guard in Langford with some promise as a 2 way guy, they get out from under those deals to get back into FA sooner.

For us, we're the least experienced team in the league. We get 3 experienced role players who can play off our big 3 guys and Marcus. They can all space the floor and play roles. It would take the pressure off of Rob Williams to come back and be something this year. It would be tough to lose Gordon but I think the influx of experience would make us a more dangerous team against Milwaukee. Dedmon isn't shooting well this year but he's shot it well the 2 years before this. Joseph has 82 games worth of playoff experience and last year he shot well against us in the playoffs.