Trade Ideas Thread

[Fencer reregistered]

Agreed. How do you turn a Grant/Kanter for Bjelicia basis into something fair?

30/Grant/Kanter seems like a lot for an expiring. Without the pick, I doubt SAC bites. Maybe a 2021 2nd coming back from SAC?
I'd throw Edwards in to save money on our end as well. If they want him.

It's too late to get somebody who expires this year except in a S&T.

I meant expiring next year. He’s non-guaranteed for next season, but pretty much a nobrainer they pick it up.

I misread the site I checked and didn't see the option. My bad.

If I'm right that you can match salaries that low just to within 175%, then Edwards and Poirier alone suffice to get him. If not, adding Javonte certainly does.

Add pick(s) to that, and there could be a deal.

[SMTBSI]

It's too late to get somebody who expires this year except in a S&T.

I meant expiring next year. He’s non-guaranteed for next season, but pretty much a nobrainer they pick it up.

I misread the site I checked and didn't see the option. My bad.

If I'm right that you can match salaries that low just to within 175%, then Edwards and Poirier alone suffice to get him. If not, adding Javonte certainly does.

Add pick(s) to that, and there could be a deal.

Tax-paying teams are restricted to 125% + 100k in all cases, unfortunately.


http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q86

[SmartWentCrazy]

Yah, I’m growing increasingly confident in him and even more confident that we need to dump Kanter in the offseason

I would love to bring back Baynes in the offseason.

I'd give Baynes the full tax-payer MLE (~5.7mil) in a heartbeat. Wonder if he'd pick us over multiple equivalent offers.

Only issue is, unlike most, I'm not looking to dump Kanter. As we have for the last several years, we have a matchable salary problem. I'm more interested in positioning ourselves to be buyers at the deadline, than ducking the tax next year. So I want Kanter's 5mil on the books, the 5.7mil MLE, and Wanamaker at 3-5 mil via Early Bird.

Those are really the only ways for us to add useful, matchable salaries this offseason.

So, with that in mind, you can maybe argue that bringing in another C is not the best use of the MLE. But then again, if the goal is to eventually trade Kanter as part of a larger deal, it's probably okay.

With draft picks and no FA, were gonna be at ~150M in salary commitments. The tax line will be ~132M. I think using his salary to add other players is out of the picture unless we move on from one of our top 5 guys, to be honest. Cant imagine Wyc is eager to pay 25-40M in tax in this financial environment.

[hugepatsfan]

Some rookie scale players I'd explore trading for:

(2017 draft class)
CHI F/C Lauri Markannen
POR F/C Zach Collins
DET G Luke Kennard
BRK C Jarrett Allen
LAL F Kyle Kuzma
UT C Tony Bradley
NOP G/F Josh Hart
SAS G Derrick White

(2018 draft class)
CLE G Collin Sexton
ORL C Mo Bamba
CHA F Miles Bridges
CHI C Wendell Carter Jr.
POR G Anfernee Simons

All of those guys are still on rookie scale deals which makes them easy to match salary for. Different levels of accomplishment so far. But I think any of them either slot in perfectly on our bench already, or have intriguing upside here to potentially do so.

With so many picks (#14/#16, #26, #30, all our future picks) and our own rookie scale young players (Timelord, Grant, Romeo, Carsen, Semi) I'd be fine maybe "overpaying" to land another core bench piece alongside Smart.

[djFan71]

I would love to bring back Baynes in the offseason.

I'd give Baynes the full tax-payer MLE (~5.7mil) in a heartbeat. Wonder if he'd pick us over multiple equivalent offers.

Only issue is, unlike most, I'm not looking to dump Kanter. As we have for the last several years, we have a matchable salary problem. I'm more interested in positioning ourselves to be buyers at the deadline, than ducking the tax next year. So I want Kanter's 5mil on the books, the 5.7mil MLE, and Wanamaker at 3-5 mil via Early Bird.

Those are really the only ways for us to add useful, matchable salaries this offseason.

So, with that in mind, you can maybe argue that bringing in another C is not the best use of the MLE. But then again, if the goal is to eventually trade Kanter as part of a larger deal, it's probably okay.

With draft picks and no FA, were gonna be at ~150M in salary commitments. The tax line will be ~132M. I think using his salary to add other players is out of the picture unless we move on from one of our top 5 guys, to be honest. Cant imagine Wyc is eager to pay 25-40M in tax in this financial environment.

Yeah, I think they gotta be revenue neutral at most. That's why I included Grant in the Bjelicia trade idea. And would put Carsen in as well if they want him. I don't want to dump players, but if can consolidate 3 bench guys into one high level one and keep cost the same or lessen things, those are the deals I want to go for.

Also, moved this to the trades thread since I started the derailing of the Timelord one... my bad.

[djFan71]

Some rookie scale players I'd explore trading for:

(2017 draft class)
CHI F/C Lauri Markannen
POR F/C Zach Collins
DET G Luke Kennard
BRK C Jarrett Allen
LAL F Kyle Kuzma
UT C Tony Bradley
NOP G/F Josh Hart
SAS G Derrick White

(2018 draft class)
CLE G Collin Sexton
ORL C Mo Bamba
CHA F Miles Bridges
CHI C Wendell Carter Jr.
POR G Anfernee Simons

All of those guys are still on rookie scale deals which makes them easy to match salary for. Different levels of accomplishment so far. But I think any of them either slot in perfectly on our bench already, or have intriguing upside here to potentially do so.

With so many picks (#14/#16, #26, #30, all our future picks) and our own rookie scale young players (Timelord, Grant, Romeo, Carsen, Semi) I'd be fine maybe "overpaying" to land another core bench piece alongside Smart.

Good list. White & WCJ have been targets of many of my trade ideas. Allen would be nice too. 2017 guys you gotta think about paying their next contract too is the tough part.

I was wondering about Sexton too, but I haven't watched him basically at all. And, I'm kinda thinking we end up with a PG in the draft - Kira or RJ at 14 seems reasonable. Bridges would be great. Not sure I have a ton of interest in Bamba

[SMTBSI]

I'd give Baynes the full tax-payer MLE (~5.7mil) in a heartbeat. Wonder if he'd pick us over multiple equivalent offers.

Only issue is, unlike most, I'm not looking to dump Kanter. As we have for the last several years, we have a matchable salary problem. I'm more interested in positioning ourselves to be buyers at the deadline, than ducking the tax next year. So I want Kanter's 5mil on the books, the 5.7mil MLE, and Wanamaker at 3-5 mil via Early Bird.

Those are really the only ways for us to add useful, matchable salaries this offseason.

So, with that in mind, you can maybe argue that bringing in another C is not the best use of the MLE. But then again, if the goal is to eventually trade Kanter as part of a larger deal, it's probably okay.

With draft picks and no FA, were gonna be at ~150M in salary commitments. The tax line will be ~132M. I think using his salary to add other players is out of the picture unless we move on from one of our top 5 guys, to be honest. Cant imagine Wyc is eager to pay 25-40M in tax in this financial environment.

Maybe so. But I also don't think they will willingly punt on a contending season. Especially in a year where some other teams might be playing it conservative - that could be a good year to go for it.

And, since a team's tax bill is calculated based on their salaries on the last day of the regular season, if it doesn't look like it's going to pay off, we will have the opportunity to sell off the pieces we brought in (or get involved in a larger shakeup).

[Fencer reregistered]

Trading for Bjelica was suggested in another thread. Edit: The posts seem so have been moved here above.

If I did the arithmetic correctly, Javonte (with option picked up), Edwards and Poirier will have JUST enough total salary to get him -- IF thedeal waits until the new league year.

Obviously, a FRP or 2 is also required. But while the timing requires us to draft for Sacramento on a handshake about a future trade, it does not require us to actually sign the draftees subsequently. The trade can happen and Sacramento can then sign (or stash) them themselves.

Whether we'd actually benefit from such an acquisition is a different matter ...

[djFan71]

Trading for Bjelica was suggested in another thread. Edit: The posts seem so have been moved here above.

If I did the arithmetic correctly, Javonte (with option picked up), Edwards and Poirier will have JUST enough total salary to get him -- IF thedeal waits until the new league year.

Obviously, a FRP or 2 is also required. But while the timing requires us to draft for Sacramento on a handshake about a future trade, it does not require us to actually sign the draftees subsequently. The trade can happen and Sacramento can then sign (or stash) them themselves.

Whether we'd actually benefit from such an acquisition is a different matter ...

Yeah, I moved them since I started it and kinda derailed the Timelord thread with it.
I agree with the math, just not sure we really want to sneak up to the Bjelicia salary. I almost like moving Grant/Kanter for him - you clear the space for him to play right away and the salaries are a wash basically. Then you can keep Semi or Wanamaker (or some other vet min), roster 2 FRPs and still have a slot left. If you could sneak Carsen into there as well as positive value, you may not need 30? I dunno. Probably just see how the draft shakes out and go from there. But that's never stopped us from throwing stuff out.

[zoyathedestroya]

Is there a way to pry away the MIN pick that goes to GSW if it's 4-30 in 2021 and unprotected in 2022?

[Floody100]

I’m off the Turner train now. He’s no better than Theis at defending bigs like Embiid which is the main reason why we’d want him here. If Lob can stay healthy I think he’ll end up better than Turner anyway.

[hugepatsfan]

Is there a way to pry away the MIN pick that goes to GSW if it's 4-30 in 2021 and unprotected in 2022?

If we take back Wiggins for Hayward, who agrees to a multi year extension with the Warriors. Considering how win now they are I would think that at least garners their attention.

I can’t imagine Ainge gets signoff from Wyc to pay repeater tax down the line for Wiggins. So follow up deals would have to be made to use draft picks to salary dump guys like Kanter, Poirier and duck the tax for another year.

Ultimately just don’t think it’s worth it. It wouldn’t even be shocking if the MIN pick ends up in the late lottery as opposed to top of it.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I’m off the Turner train now. He’s no better than Theis at defending bigs like Embiid which is the main reason why we’d want him here. If Lob can stay healthy I think he’ll end up better than Turner anyway.

Yep— he’s a better version of Theis that does nothing to stop our weakness [Embiid].

At this point, the only person I’d consider trading for him is Hayward which is more about the 16M in salary savings than anything else. I get that some scoff at financial trades, but I just cant see us having a 150M payroll next year and paying ~30-40M in tax when gate revenue is going to decline by as much as projected.

[Curmudgeon]

I’m off the Turner train now. He’s no better than Theis at defending bigs like Embiid which is the main reason why we’d want him here. If Lob can stay healthy I think he’ll end up better than Turner anyway.

You can help solve the Embiid problem by reacquiring Aron Baynes, who will be a free agent at the end of this year. No need to make a trade for someone else.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I’m off the Turner train now. He’s no better than Theis at defending bigs like Embiid which is the main reason why we’d want him here. If Lob can stay healthy I think he’ll end up better than Turner anyway.

You can help solve the Embiid problem by reacquiring Aron Baynes, who will be a free agent at the end of this year. No need to make a trade for someone else.

From what I remember, he was quite displeased that Ainge dealt him and I think that ship has left the port.

[Froob]

What do you guys think of 14 + whatever for Lonzo? One year deal, not sure what it’d take to re sign him.

[Froob]

I’m off the Turner train now. He’s no better than Theis at defending bigs like Embiid which is the main reason why we’d want him here. If Lob can stay healthy I think he’ll end up better than Turner anyway.

You can help solve the Embiid problem by reacquiring Aron Baynes, who will be a free agent at the end of this year. No need to make a trade for someone else.

Would be go for MLE? Maybe could sign and trade?

[Curmudgeon]

I’m off the Turner train now. He’s no better than Theis at defending bigs like Embiid which is the main reason why we’d want him here. If Lob can stay healthy I think he’ll end up better than Turner anyway.

You can help solve the Embiid problem by reacquiring Aron Baynes, who will be a free agent at the end of this year. No need to make a trade for someone else.

From what I remember, he was quite displeased that Ainge dealt him and I think that ship has left the port.

The full MLE would overcome his displeasure.

[SmartWentCrazy]

You can help solve the Embiid problem by reacquiring Aron Baynes, who will be a free agent at the end of this year. No need to make a trade for someone else.

From what I remember, he was quite displeased that Ainge dealt him and I think that ship has left the port.

The full MLE would overcome his displeasure.

We only have the taxpayer MLE, or 5M. Other teams will offer much more.

[SmartWentCrazy]

What do you guys think of 14 + whatever for Lonzo? One year deal, not sure what it’d take to re sign him.

Had the same thought this AM. I love Lonzo and would do it, gunna be hard aggregating/taking on his 11M salary though.