Hayward Likely to OPT-IN to final year of contract!

[SmartWentCrazy]

I have us as able to free about 15M if Hayward opts out for nothing:

Kanter, Poirier Edwards - Trade to free up 9; Kanter may opt out. Semi- decline option. Green- do not guarantee. In total, that frees 46M and brings us to ~95M in commitments.

Not great. Does leave us with *some* flexibility. Should be enough to get a guy like Gallo or Wood. Or possibly Joe Harris or Bertans.

No Kanter, Poirier, Edwards, Semi, Javonte, Wanamaker, and Hayward.

That leaves us with 8 guys. Did you include the 3 1sts? 11 guys. Then one roster space hold. There's also the dead money for Yabu and Jackson.

EDIT: I have us at $104,570,537.00. At this point, we'd rather have the full MLE and BAE than the cap space and room exception.

I did crude math and assumed no empty roster charges and didnt include FRPs. I did include dead money. Your number is better.

[Curmudgeon]

I have us as able to free about 15M if Hayward opts out for nothing:

Kanter, Poirier Edwards - Trade to free up 9; Kanter may opt out. Semi- decline option. Green- do not guarantee. In total, that frees 46M and brings us to ~95M in commitments.

Not great. Does leave us with *some* flexibility. Should be enough to get a guy like Gallo or Wood. Or possibly Joe Harris or Bertans.

No Kanter, Poirier, Edwards, Semi, Javonte, Wanamaker, and Hayward.

That leaves us with 8 guys. Did you include the 3 1sts? 11 guys. Then one roster space hold. There's also the dead money for Yabu and Jackson.

EDIT: I have us at $104,570,537.00. At this point, we'd rather have the full MLE and BAE than the cap space and room exception.

Easy enough to go over with a $108M cap. They have full Bird rights on Ojeleye and Theis and early Bird rights on Wanamaker. It's all in the timing.

[ConstableGeneva]

I have us as able to free about 15M if Hayward opts out for nothing:

Kanter, Poirier Edwards - Trade to free up 9; Kanter may opt out. Semi- decline option. Green- do not guarantee. In total, that frees 46M and brings us to ~95M in commitments.

Not great. Does leave us with *some* flexibility. Should be enough to get a guy like Gallo or Wood. Or possibly Joe Harris or Bertans.

No Kanter, Poirier, Edwards, Semi, Javonte, Wanamaker, and Hayward.

That leaves us with 8 guys. Did you include the 3 1sts? 11 guys. Then one roster space hold. There's also the dead money for Yabu and Jackson.

EDIT: I have us at $104,570,537.00. At this point, we'd rather have the full MLE and BAE than the cap space and room exception.

Easy enough to go over with a $108M cap. They have full Bird rights on Ojeleye and Theis and early Bird rights on Wanamaker. It's all in the timing.

Yep, exactly. If Hayward opts out, operating over the cap is the better path. Full non-taxpayer MLE + BAE is greater than the amount of cap space we can get via dumps + room exception.

[SmartWentCrazy]

No Kanter, Poirier, Edwards, Semi, Javonte, Wanamaker, and Hayward.

That leaves us with 8 guys. Did you include the 3 1sts? 11 guys. Then one roster space hold. There's also the dead money for Yabu and Jackson.

EDIT: I have us at $104,570,537.00. At this point, we'd rather have the full MLE and BAE than the cap space and room exception.

Easy enough to go over with a $108M cap. They have full Bird rights on Ojeleye and Theis and early Bird rights on Wanamaker. It's all in the timing.

Yep, exactly. If Hayward opts out, operating over the cap is the better path. Full non-taxpayer MLE + BAE is greater than the amount of cap space we can get via dumps + room exception.

So we’d be heavily incentivized to try to trade an asset to Atlanta if Hayward wanted to go there to get a TPE.

[ConstableGeneva]

Easy enough to go over with a $108M cap. They have full Bird rights on Ojeleye and Theis and early Bird rights on Wanamaker. It's all in the timing.

Yep, exactly. If Hayward opts out, operating over the cap is the better path. Full non-taxpayer MLE + BAE is greater than the amount of cap space we can get via dumps + room exception.

So we’d be heavily incentivized to try to trade an asset to Atlanta if Hayward wanted to go there to get a TPE.

Depends on what asset Hawks ask for. Also depends on what asset we'd have to trade for TPE guy (whether that's Wood or Harris or Bogdanovic). If we lose two 1sts just to get a guy one tier above full MLE, it might not be worth it.

In any case, we don't have leverage in that Hawks scenario.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Yep, exactly. If Hayward opts out, operating over the cap is the better path. Full non-taxpayer MLE + BAE is greater than the amount of cap space we can get via dumps + room exception.

So we’d be heavily incentivized to try to trade an asset to Atlanta if Hayward wanted to go there to get a TPE.

Depends on what asset Hawks ask for. Also depends on what asset we'd have to trade for TPE guy (whether that's Wood or Harris or Bogdanovic). If we lose two 1sts just to get a guy one tier above full MLE, it might not be worth it.

In any case, we don't have leverage in that Hawks scenario.

I dont think getting it should cost more than 30, if that— teams generally arent adverse to the mutually agreed upon win [picking up a second for nothing] as it looks good to agents by helping more people get paid. As for whom we use it on, who knows. If we waited til the deadline, and it becomes quite obvious no fans will be back, teams may pay us to take a good player into the exception.

[SuperDeluxe]

The Warriors have a $17-million TPE. Hayward would fit in their system like a glove. I wonder if anything could be done there, and maybe get a nice 1st round pick in the process.

[Curmudgeon]

A $17M TPE is worthless in a Hayward deal. You can't combine exceptions.

[SuperDeluxe]

A $17M TPE is worthless in a Hayward deal. You can't combine exceptions.

Thanks, I always forget this stuff. My mental hard drive is full.

[RodyTur10]

A $17M TPE is worthless in a Hayward deal. You can't combine exceptions.

How about a sign-and-trade where Hayward signed for 75/4 with a starting salary of 16.7M with 8% annual increases?

I'm not advocating for this, but just curious whether this would be alllowed.

(If the average salary counts it's still 17.2 x 4 = 68.8 million)

[ConstableGeneva]

A $17M TPE is worthless in a Hayward deal. You can't combine exceptions.

How about a sign-and-trade where Hayward signed for 75/4 with a starting salary of 16.7M with 8% annual increases?

I'm not advocating for this, but just curious whether this would be alllowed.

(If the average salary counts it's still 17.2 x 4 = 68.8 million)

I think it's allowed but I'm no expert. Can go up to nearly 77M for 4 years. 1st year will fit into $17,185,185 TPE.

At that number, I'd rather keep Hayward unless we're getting the #2 pick, which I doubt. Hayward also likely wants more.

[grindtime22]

Atl aren’t gonna trade for Hayward. They’ll sign using cap space. It’s his agent who reaches out.

They could do an extend and trade, which doesn't trigger the same limitations as a sign and trade. Maybe we could get a little something out of that (massive traded player exception and maybe a 2nd or something)

My question there is that are we limited to an 8% annual salary decrease that is based on his last remaining year? Appears so.

It might be 5%, but from what I gather it would have to be somewhere in that range. I could be wrong though. Most of the stuff I read always specifies maximums allowed, but doesn't specify when going down instead of up.

[grindtime22]

A $17M TPE is worthless in a Hayward deal. You can't combine exceptions.

How about a sign-and-trade where Hayward signed for 75/4 with a starting salary of 16.7M with 8% annual increases?

I'm not advocating for this, but just curious whether this would be alllowed.

(If the average salary counts it's still 17.2 x 4 = 68.8 million)

I'm pretty sure sign and trade only result in 5% raises. They changed it a while back to line it up with the signing with another team maximums. Now, the only benefit(for the player) to a sign and trade is to get to a destination without cap space.

[RodyTur10]

A $17M TPE is worthless in a Hayward deal. You can't combine exceptions.

How about a sign-and-trade where Hayward signed for 75/4 with a starting salary of 16.7M with 8% annual increases?

I'm not advocating for this, but just curious whether this would be alllowed.

(If the average salary counts it's still 17.2 x 4 = 68.8 million)

I think it's allowed but I'm no expert. Can go up to nearly 77M for 4 years. 1st year will fit into $17,185,185 TPE.

At that number, I'd rather keep Hayward unless we're getting the #2 pick, which I doubt. Hayward also likely wants more.

Yes, I agree, but maybe Hayward is unhappy in Boston and won't re-sign for that number with us and is just keen on a new chapter in his basketball career and getting the opportunity to play for a championship favourite alongside Curry/Thompson/Green could be very appealing.

Golden State won't give up that #2 pick, but I'd want some serious compensation if the Celtics facilitated such a deal.

[grindtime22]

So we’d be heavily incentivized to try to trade an asset to Atlanta if Hayward wanted to go there to get a TPE.

Depends on what asset Hawks ask for. Also depends on what asset we'd have to trade for TPE guy (whether that's Wood or Harris or Bogdanovic). If we lose two 1sts just to get a guy one tier above full MLE, it might not be worth it.

In any case, we don't have leverage in that Hawks scenario.

I dont think getting it should cost more than 30, if that— teams generally arent adverse to the mutually agreed upon win [picking up a second for nothing] as it looks good to agents by helping more people get paid. As for whom we use it on, who knows. If we waited til the deadline, and it becomes quite obvious no fans will be back, teams may pay us to take a good player into the exception.

Yeah, I don't think it would take 30 if we decided to go that route. There is no reason for them to play hardball. We may never use it and getting something is better than nothing for them.

[ConstableGeneva]

How about a sign-and-trade where Hayward signed for 75/4 with a starting salary of 16.7M with 8% annual increases?

I'm not advocating for this, but just curious whether this would be alllowed.

(If the average salary counts it's still 17.2 x 4 = 68.8 million)

I think it's allowed but I'm no expert. Can go up to nearly 77M for 4 years. 1st year will fit into $17,185,185 TPE.

At that number, I'd rather keep Hayward unless we're getting the #2 pick, which I doubt. Hayward also likely wants more.

Yes, I agree, but maybe Hayward is unhappy in Boston and won't re-sign for that number with us and is just keen on a new chapter in his basketball career and getting the opportunity to play for a championship favourite alongside Curry/Thompson/Green could be very appealing.

Golden State won't give up that #2 pick, but I'd want some serious compensation if the Celtics facilitated such a deal.

Minnesota's pick next year is kinda tasty. I'll settle for that. Maybe throw in Eric Paschall. On top of the TPE we'll generate.

Just realized Dubs have a ginormous salary and might not want to add Hayward unless they unload Wiggins.

[themoneyteam2]

Doesn't matter cause if Hayward opts out he can sign wherever he wants lol. Warriors having a TPE is irrelevant since we're saying Hayward will not be opting into his deal.

[RodyTur10]

Doesn't matter cause if Hayward opts out he can sign wherever he wants lol. Warriors having a TPE is irrelevant since we're saying Hayward will not be opting into his deal.

Hayward's options to sign as a free agent are rather limited. Atlanta and Phoenix are probably the best teams he could sign for (Miami will try to get Giannis in 2021). If Golden State wanted Hayward and can come to an agreement with the Celtics that's an interesting destination for him if he insisted to leave us.

[djFan71]

I think it's allowed but I'm no expert. Can go up to nearly 77M for 4 years. 1st year will fit into $17,185,185 TPE.

At that number, I'd rather keep Hayward unless we're getting the #2 pick, which I doubt. Hayward also likely wants more.

Yes, I agree, but maybe Hayward is unhappy in Boston and won't re-sign for that number with us and is just keen on a new chapter in his basketball career and getting the opportunity to play for a championship favourite alongside Curry/Thompson/Green could be very appealing.

Golden State won't give up that #2 pick, but I'd want some serious compensation if the Celtics facilitated such a deal.

Minnesota's pick next year is kinda tasty. I'll settle for that. Maybe throw in Eric Paschall. On top of the TPE we'll generate.

Just realized Dubs have a ginormous salary and might not want to add Hayward unless they unload Wiggins.

They can't do a sign & trade due to the hard cap. So, unloading Wiggins is really the only way.

[Captain_Caveman]

They could do an extend and trade, which doesn't trigger the same limitations as a sign and trade. Maybe we could get a little something out of that (massive traded player exception and maybe a 2nd or something)

My question there is that are we limited to an 8% annual salary decrease that is based on his last remaining year? Appears so.

It might be 5%, but from what I gather it would have to be somewhere in that range. I could be wrong though. Most of the stuff I read always specifies maximums allowed, but doesn't specify when going down instead of up.

It was linked in the Hawks board thread. Not 100% sure it applies to the first year of an extension, but pretty sure it does.