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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#481 » by 100proof » Wed Oct 14, 2020 5:03 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:Bro, youre cherry picking the **** outta your stats lol. Winsow aint that player and Avdija isnt a good shooter.


That isnt what you stated or I stated though.

Deni is improving as a shooter, as evidenced by results/stats. But I never claimed he was a good shooter, but instead stated his form is good and his shooting %s are improving. If he continues to develop his shot and gets it consistently in the 35-38% range but maintains his ability to get to the lane then he will be a legit offensive weapon. I think he will do it.



Winslow, if healthy, is a good player. He came into the draft with alot of buzz and alot of potential. Injuries completely derailed his value. But last season he did put up decent numbers, which is what I shared. 2015 pre draft winslow would be selected 10/10 times in the lotto in this draft.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#482 » by SmartWentCrazy » Wed Oct 14, 2020 5:10 pm

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SmartWentCrazy wrote:Bro, youre cherry picking the **** outta your stats lol. Winsow aint that player and Avdija isnt a good shooter.


That isnt what you stated or I stated though.

Deni is improving as a shooter, as evidenced by results/stats. But I never claimed he was a good shooter, but instead stated his form is good and his shooting %s are improving. If he continues to develop his shot and gets it consistently in the 35-38% range but maintains his ability to get to the lane then he will be a legit offensive weapon. I think he will do it.



Winslow, if healthy, is a good player. He came into the draft with alot of buzz and alot of potential. Injuries completely derailed his value. But last season he did put up decent numbers, which is what I shared. 2015 pre draft winslow would be selected 10/10 times in the lotto in this draft.


He went from a 28% shooter 2 years ago to a 33% shooter last year and consistently shot mid 50’s from the line. Thats not good. I dont know what else to tell you. Youre cutting the sample smaller to twist what the facts tell you— thats the definition of cherry picking.

Winslow is a 6th man that you’d be maybe happy to get at the end of the lottery. If you picked him early, you’d be disappointed. Especially if he goes in the range Deni is mocked.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#483 » by 100proof » Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:09 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
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SmartWentCrazy wrote:Bro, youre cherry picking the **** outta your stats lol. Winsow aint that player and Avdija isnt a good shooter.


That isnt what you stated or I stated though.

Deni is improving as a shooter, as evidenced by results/stats. But I never claimed he was a good shooter, but instead stated his form is good and his shooting %s are improving. If he continues to develop his shot and gets it consistently in the 35-38% range but maintains his ability to get to the lane then he will be a legit offensive weapon. I think he will do it.



Winslow, if healthy, is a good player. He came into the draft with alot of buzz and alot of potential. Injuries completely derailed his value. But last season he did put up decent numbers, which is what I shared. 2015 pre draft winslow would be selected 10/10 times in the lotto in this draft.


He went from a 28% shooter 2 years ago to a 33% shooter last year and consistently shot mid 50’s from the line. Thats not good. I dont know what else to tell you. Youre cutting the sample smaller to twist what the facts tell you— thats the definition of cherry picking.

Winslow is a 6th man that you’d be maybe happy to get at the end of the lottery. If you picked him early, you’d be disappointed. Especially if he goes in the range Deni is mocked.


I still dont agree with the Cherry picking idea of his shooting numbers.

This past season, going off the link you provided, he did:

Euroleague - 26 games, started in 5, played 377 total minutes, went 13/47 from 3 for 27.7%
I-BSL - 33 games, started 21, played 910 total minutes, went 48-136 from three for 35.5%.

That shows improvement.

Also if you compare the total of this year to the total of last year he went from 36/130 for 27.7% to 63/183 for 33.3%. thats an improvement.

Freethrows still suck.

Winslow now is indeed a 6th man, coming into the NBA he wasnt. He was being compared to Harden/Stackhouse. Problem with Justice is the injuries. they destroyed him, imo. He hasnt been able to tap into any potential at all.

https://hoopshabit.com/2015/06/16/scouting-report-justise-winslow/
https://nbadraftroom.com/justise-winslow-nba-draft-scouting-report/
https://www.nbadraft.net/players/justise-winslow/

I think you might be forgetting just how good Justice was looking coming into the league.


DATE DESCRIPTION
07/21/2020 Hip
01/10/2020 Back
12/26/2019 Back
12/05/2019 Back
11/07/2019 Concussion
10/31/2019 Lower Back
03/16/2019 Thigh
02/23/2019 Knee
12/18/2018 Ankle
11/24/2018 Quadriceps
10/24/2018 Hamstring
10/16/2018 Hamstring
12/13/2017 Left Knee

That right there is what killed Winslow from being a true impact player in the league. And even now he would make a really nice 6th man if he could stay healthy. But those injuries ruined the chance for real growth as a player, imo.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#484 » by JHTruth » Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:28 pm

100proof wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
100proof wrote:
That isnt what you stated or I stated though.

Deni is improving as a shooter, as evidenced by results/stats. But I never claimed he was a good shooter, but instead stated his form is good and his shooting %s are improving. If he continues to develop his shot and gets it consistently in the 35-38% range but maintains his ability to get to the lane then he will be a legit offensive weapon. I think he will do it.



Winslow, if healthy, is a good player. He came into the draft with alot of buzz and alot of potential. Injuries completely derailed his value. But last season he did put up decent numbers, which is what I shared. 2015 pre draft winslow would be selected 10/10 times in the lotto in this draft.


He went from a 28% shooter 2 years ago to a 33% shooter last year and consistently shot mid 50’s from the line. Thats not good. I dont know what else to tell you. Youre cutting the sample smaller to twist what the facts tell you— thats the definition of cherry picking.

Winslow is a 6th man that you’d be maybe happy to get at the end of the lottery. If you picked him early, you’d be disappointed. Especially if he goes in the range Deni is mocked.


I still dont agree with the Cherry picking idea of his shooting numbers.

This past season, going off the link you provided, he did:

Euroleague - 26 games, started in 5, played 377 total minutes, went 13/47 from 3 for 27.7%
I-BSL - 33 games, started 21, played 910 total minutes, went 48-136 from three for 35.5%.

That shows improvement.

Also if you compare the total of this year to the total of last year he went from 36/130 for 27.7% to 63/183 for 33.3%. thats an improvement.

Freethrows still suck.

Winslow now is indeed a 6th man, coming into the NBA he wasnt. He was being compared to Harden/Stackhouse. Problem with Justice is the injuries. they destroyed him, imo. He hasnt been able to tap into any potential at all.

https://hoopshabit.com/2015/06/16/scouting-report-justise-winslow/
https://nbadraftroom.com/justise-winslow-nba-draft-scouting-report/
https://www.nbadraft.net/players/justise-winslow/

I think you might be forgetting just how good Justice was looking coming into the league.


DATE DESCRIPTION
07/21/2020 Hip
01/10/2020 Back
12/26/2019 Back
12/05/2019 Back
11/07/2019 Concussion
10/31/2019 Lower Back
03/16/2019 Thigh
02/23/2019 Knee
12/18/2018 Ankle
11/24/2018 Quadriceps
10/24/2018 Hamstring
10/16/2018 Hamstring
12/13/2017 Left Knee

That right there is what killed Winslow from being a true impact player in the league. And even now he would make a really nice 6th man if he could stay healthy. But those injuries ruined the chance for real growth as a player, imo.


Deni may have decent form, but no touch. Some guys just can't shoot. Perfect form, reps, doesn't matter. I'm not saying that's Deni but it may just be the case. When a guy can't even hit FTs, it's a bad sign...
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#485 » by 100proof » Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:33 pm

JHTruth wrote:
100proof wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
He went from a 28% shooter 2 years ago to a 33% shooter last year and consistently shot mid 50’s from the line. Thats not good. I dont know what else to tell you. Youre cutting the sample smaller to twist what the facts tell you— thats the definition of cherry picking.

Winslow is a 6th man that you’d be maybe happy to get at the end of the lottery. If you picked him early, you’d be disappointed. Especially if he goes in the range Deni is mocked.


I still dont agree with the Cherry picking idea of his shooting numbers.

This past season, going off the link you provided, he did:

Euroleague - 26 games, started in 5, played 377 total minutes, went 13/47 from 3 for 27.7%
I-BSL - 33 games, started 21, played 910 total minutes, went 48-136 from three for 35.5%.

That shows improvement.

Also if you compare the total of this year to the total of last year he went from 36/130 for 27.7% to 63/183 for 33.3%. thats an improvement.

Freethrows still suck.

Winslow now is indeed a 6th man, coming into the NBA he wasnt. He was being compared to Harden/Stackhouse. Problem with Justice is the injuries. they destroyed him, imo. He hasnt been able to tap into any potential at all.

https://hoopshabit.com/2015/06/16/scouting-report-justise-winslow/
https://nbadraftroom.com/justise-winslow-nba-draft-scouting-report/
https://www.nbadraft.net/players/justise-winslow/

I think you might be forgetting just how good Justice was looking coming into the league.


DATE DESCRIPTION
07/21/2020 Hip
01/10/2020 Back
12/26/2019 Back
12/05/2019 Back
11/07/2019 Concussion
10/31/2019 Lower Back
03/16/2019 Thigh
02/23/2019 Knee
12/18/2018 Ankle
11/24/2018 Quadriceps
10/24/2018 Hamstring
10/16/2018 Hamstring
12/13/2017 Left Knee

That right there is what killed Winslow from being a true impact player in the league. And even now he would make a really nice 6th man if he could stay healthy. But those injuries ruined the chance for real growth as a player, imo.


Deni may have decent form, but no touch. Some guys just can't shoot. Perfect form, reps, doesn't matter. I'm not saying that's Deni but it may just be the case. When a guy can't even hit FTs, it's a bad sign...


Its quite possible.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#486 » by themoneyteam2 » Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:44 pm

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/?_ga=2.156926779.1065887717.1602610764-593097403.1591808891#mock

Kevin O'Connor has us taking Precious, Bolmaro, and Killian Tillie. I honestly wouldn't hate that at all. I'm a big fan of Tillie - really reminds me a lot of Bertans and if he didn't have all his injury history he's in conversation for a lottery pick. Would rather package 26 and 30 if we only want to come out of the draft with 2 rookies anyways but obviously takes two teams to make a deal.

I don't know much about Bolmaro but that's an obvious stash pick. Anyone here have any good insight on him? I like KOC's breakdowns a lot but in watching a few minutes of his highlights I wasn't all that impressed and he's been on Barca's B team.
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Post#487 » by Parliament10 » Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:04 pm

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Post#488 » by playa-hater » Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:06 pm

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Post#489 » by Parliament10 » Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:10 pm

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Post#490 » by playa-hater » Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:15 pm

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James Young part 2??

Pick #47?


truth is, other than a lefty than stands about the same height, I know nothing about him..

I'll have to trust Ainge on this one....oh wait :o
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Post#491 » by threrf23 » Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:17 pm

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More like Kedrick Brown part 2 (if we were to take him in the first round).

At least, the scouting report on Scrubb is pretty similar to the scouting reports on Kedrick Brown from back in the day. They are/were both physically/athletically gifted unknowns who looked good playing against JuCo competition. While Scrubb's offensive game sounds more polished, Kedrick Brown was also supposed to be a decent passer who could create his own shot.
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Post#492 » by JHTruth » Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:23 pm

themoneyteam2 wrote:https://nbadraft.theringer.com/?_ga=2.156926779.1065887717.1602610764-593097403.1591808891#mock

Kevin O'Connor has us taking Precious, Bolmaro, and Killian Tillie. I honestly wouldn't hate that at all. I'm a big fan of Tillie - really reminds me a lot of Bertans and if he didn't have all his injury history he's in conversation for a lottery pick. Would rather package 26 and 30 if we only want to come out of the draft with 2 rookies anyways but obviously takes two teams to make a deal.

I don't know much about Bolmaro but that's an obvious stash pick. Anyone here have any good insight on him? I like KOC's breakdowns a lot but in watching a few minutes of his highlights I wasn't all that impressed and he's been on Barca's B team.


I feel like Bolmaro is a guy who gets a lot more attention than a comparable American player because he's a euro who hardly plays. Doesn't mean he's a bad player or anything but he's played so little and his PT has decreased.
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Post#493 » by ConstableGeneva » Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:45 pm

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Post#494 » by Darth Celtic » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:00 pm

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Post#495 » by Darth Celtic » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:05 pm

Makes sense, we draft a lot of Scrubs in the 2nd round for sure.
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Post#496 » by BostonCouchGM » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:25 pm

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themoneyteam2 wrote:https://nbadraft.theringer.com/?_ga=2.156926779.1065887717.1602610764-593097403.1591808891#mock

Kevin O'Connor has us taking Precious, Bolmaro, and Killian Tillie. I honestly wouldn't hate that at all. I'm a big fan of Tillie - really reminds me a lot of Bertans and if he didn't have all his injury history he's in conversation for a lottery pick. Would rather package 26 and 30 if we only want to come out of the draft with 2 rookies anyways but obviously takes two teams to make a deal.

I don't know much about Bolmaro but that's an obvious stash pick. Anyone here have any good insight on him? I like KOC's breakdowns a lot but in watching a few minutes of his highlights I wasn't all that impressed and he's been on Barca's B team.


I feel like Bolmaro is a guy who gets a lot more attention than a comparable American player because he's a euro who hardly plays. Doesn't mean he's a bad player or anything but he's played so little and his PT has decreased.


The "Euro" mystique helps some of these guys on draft night but hurts them often in the NBA. Musa averaged 20-6-4 36% from three and 20-8-3 41% from three in his two G-League seasons. He's 6'9" with a high BBIQ and motor. He has nothing left to prove. But because he's white and European it seems like he has to do more than comparable college players in order to get any minutes. Teams would rather play guys like Prince over Musa. Musa is way more athletic than Bolmaro and more physically gifted and he can't even sniff minutes in the NBA.
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Post#497 » by SmartWentCrazy » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:47 pm

themoneyteam2 wrote:https://nbadraft.theringer.com/?_ga=2.156926779.1065887717.1602610764-593097403.1591808891#mock

Kevin O'Connor has us taking Precious, Bolmaro, and Killian Tillie. I honestly wouldn't hate that at all. I'm a big fan of Tillie - really reminds me a lot of Bertans and if he didn't have all his injury history he's in conversation for a lottery pick. Would rather package 26 and 30 if we only want to come out of the draft with 2 rookies anyways but obviously takes two teams to make a deal.

I don't know much about Bolmaro but that's an obvious stash pick. Anyone here have any good insight on him? I like KOC's breakdowns a lot but in watching a few minutes of his highlights I wasn't all that impressed and he's been on Barca's B team.


Precious is my nightmare pick
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Post#498 » by SmartWentCrazy » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:49 pm

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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#499 » by snowman » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:58 pm

14) best 3&D wing available (S. Bey / A. Nesmith) Saddiq Bey has been adopted as my binkie this draft. I like his size and shooting.
26) best PG available (Anthony / Jones) This is as high I would gamble on Anthony.
30) best mobile big available (Oturu / Tillie / Reed) I like Oturu alot for his shot blocking and rebounding.
47) best available (????)
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#500 » by fallguy » Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:42 pm

I know nothing about this draft (or any draft) although I've dipped in and out of this thread.

Would anyone here be interested in chasing Minnesota's pick?

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