Welcome to Boston, Aaron Nesmith!

Post #481 » by **Bleeding Green** » Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:18 pm

OK, you're complaining about a handful of minutes? Nesmith has been truly awful in his minutes, what is the big deal? You are fine with playing him and his being awful but you want to micromanage like a few minutes that Carsen Edwards is on the floor?

cl2117 · Post #482 » by **cl2117** » Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:27 pm

Bleeding Green wrote:OK, you're complaining about a handful of minutes? Nesmith has been truly awful in his minutes, what is the big deal? You are fine with playing him and his being awful but you want to micromanage like a few minutes that Carsen Edwards is on the floor?

Yes that's exactly what I'm complaining about. I'm pretty sure that's what coaching is for? Finding the right minutes to give to guys and trying to develop them. I'm not on board with just writing this season off as a loss for Nesmith. Not when the alternative is feeding Javonte Green 15 minutes a night or letting Teague play. And losing anyway.

I don't think I'm being ridiculous here. I'm not trying to insert him into the starting 5 or give him a legit role, I just want him to have the opportunity to see some court time in a weird year where there are limited opportunities for him to get a shot/improve.

I'm fine with him playing and being awful if the alternative is one of the aforementioned guys playing and also being awful. You're acting like I'm trying to take minutes away from the Jays or something.

All I want is for him to get a handful of minutes in a handful of games. Is that so bad?

Post #483 » by **Bleeding Green** » Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:35 pm

It's not a loss, he's played like ten minutes a game, every other game. he's really bad at NBA basketball. And they don't practice. Green has been fine, certainly better than Nesmith, so what is the issue? It's not like they are playing someone who is worse than Nesmith. I want to shoot Teague into the ionosphere, but even he is miles better than Aaron Nesmith at NBA basketball.

cl2117 · Post #484 » by **cl2117** » Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:44 pm

Bleeding Green wrote:It's not a loss, he's played like ten minutes a game, every other game. he's really bad at NBA basketball. And they don't practice. Green has been fine, certainly better than Nesmith, so what is the issue? It's not like they are playing someone who is worse than Nesmith. I want to shoot Teague into the ionosphere, but even he is miles better than Aaron Nesmith at NBA basketball.

I mean it is a loss. It's a missed opportunity in a year where they're very limited for rookies on good teams.

Green has been fine, but I wouldn't say he's massively better than Nesmith and he's got no potential (not trying to throw shade on Javonte, just calling it as I see it). And we are still losing. If Javonte was the difference between us winning and losing, I'd be fine with it, but he's not. It may be a longshot based on what we've seen already, but I can see Nesmith eventually having a real impact with his skill-set. I don't think our record changes in the last 10 games if you replace Javonte with Aaron and the latter 100% has more potential (and needs minutes/opportunity to reach it).

It's not a massive issue, but it's just really frustrating to watch Stevens go out of his way to not give him any minutes. I'm not trying to say that Nesmith would change our record either, but I just see more value in him getting those minutes than Javonte (yes even if he's bad in them). Worst case it's a failed experiment and you glue him to the bench for the rest of the year, but I'd like to see more of it before that happens.

Post #485 » by **Bleeding Green** » Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:44 pm

Dude I dunno what to tell you. Aaron Nesmith is not a good NBA basketball player and the players that are getting more minutes than him are better than him. It's not that hard of a concept. This team doesn't want to just play crappy young players for the sake of it.

cl2117 · Post #486 » by **cl2117** » Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:22 pm

Bleeding Green wrote:Dude I dunno what to tell you. Aaron Nesmith is not a good NBA basketball player and the players that are getting more minutes than him are better than him. It's not that hard of a concept. This team doesn't want to just play crappy young players for the sake of it.

It's not for the sake of it, it's for development. There's a distinct difference.

Saddiq Bey in January (15 games):

7/3/1 on 37% and 36% splits

Saddiq Bey in February (6 games):

14/4/1 on 54% and 57% splits

He's played almost 500 minutes compared to Nesmith's 100. It takes time for these guys to get acclimated. Development takes minutes. The guys that we are playing over Aaron are only marginally better and the difference isn't translating into more wins.

Javonte Green is not a good NBA basketball player, he's at best neutral and he doesn't have the potential to be good (unlike Nesmith). And we don't need neutral impact guys, we need guys who can positively contribute and I'm willing to drop some games in the regular season if it means developing a guy who can be that down the line.

Look at what Semi and Payton did in the Raptors game. They just drilled corner 3's on kick outs all day long for 20+ points each. That's what Aaron can do for us. And if he doesn't then we can always go back to Javonte. If we don't give him minutes though it'll never happen.

If you're fine just punting on Nesmith's rookie season that's fine, I'm just not on board with that.

Edit: our boy just checked in, let's see what happens....

Post #487 » by **Bleeding Green** » Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:39 pm

cl2117 wrote:
Bleeding Green wrote:Dude I dunno what to tell you. Aaron Nesmith is not a good NBA basketball player and the players that are getting more minutes than him are better than him. It's not that hard of a concept. This team doesn't want to just play crappy young players for the sake of it.

It's not for the sake of it, it's for development. There's a distinct difference.

Saddiq Bey in January (15 games):

7/3/1 on 37% and 36% splits

Saddiq Bey in February (6 games):

14/4/1 on 54% and 57% splits

He's played almost 500 minutes compared to Nesmith's 100. It takes time for these guys to get acclimated. Development takes minutes. The guys that we are playing over Aaron are only marginally better and the difference isn't translating into more wins.

Javonte Green is not a good NBA basketball player, he's at best neutral and he doesn't have the potential to be good (unlike Nesmith). And we don't need neutral impact guys, we need guys who can positively contribute and I'm willing to drop some games in the regular season if it means developing a guy who can be that down the line.

Look at what Semi and Payton did in the Raptors game. They just drilled corner 3's on kick outs all day long for 20+ points each. That's what Aaron can do for us. And if he doesn't then we can always go back to Javonte. If we don't give him minutes though it'll never happen.

If you're fine just punting on Nesmith's rookie season that's fine, I'm just not on board with that.

Edit: our boy just checked in, let's see what happens....

Saddiq Bey is a much better defensive player than Aaron Nesmith. And he plays on a much worse team with zero playoff aspirations. Javonte Green is absolutely a better basketball player right now and the stats show this. Nesmith has been really bad and doesn't know what he's doing defensively. He'd play if he did. It's not that hard.

Lester Freamon · Post #488 » by **Lester Freamon** » Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:44 pm

Christ what a bust

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cl2117 · Post #489 » by **cl2117** » Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:46 pm

Bleeding Green wrote:Saddiq Bey is a much better defensive player than Aaron Nesmith. And he plays on a much worse team with zero playoff aspirations. Javonte Green is absolutely a better basketball player right now and the stats show this. Nesmith has been really bad and doesn't know what he's doing defensively. He'd play if he did. It's not that hard.

Defensive metrics have Bey as marginally better than Nesmith and he has had over 4x the amount of time to develop. Nesmith won't get better without more minutes. It's not that hard.

No one is arguing Nesmith is better than Green. That's a strawman. Just arguing Nesmith has more potential and that's pretty undeniable.

We have playoff aspirations and Javonte isn't going to contribute at that stage. Why feed him minutes compared to Aaron? Unless you're worried about playoff positioning, which I'm not.

BostonCouchGM · Post #490 » by **BostonCouchGM** » Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:11 pm

he's the least of my worries. He flashes and I don't expect him to hit shots when Brad plays him so infrequently. Eventually he'll be our starting SG and knock down shooter from the corner while playing great defense. Hopefully Brad accelerates this by playing him as much as he did today but I have zero faith in him to do so. He should be playing 25-30 minutes a night spelling Jaylen at the 2 when he goes out and playing the 2 with Jaylen moving to the 3 when Tatum comes out. His is a rhythm game and once he gets in one people will see why he was drafted so high.

BK_2020 · Post #491 » by **BK_2020** » Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:14 pm

Saddiq Bey plays defense like a blind man whose feet are encased in concrete. Nesmith cannot be worse, even if it’s to be seen whether he will be better.

zoyathedestroya · Post #492 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:02 pm

Watch on YouTube

Love the hustle and shooting obvy but my favorite part... having a guy who fights over screens! Has Smart taken him under his wing??

JediMasterRevan · Post #493 » by **JediMasterRevan** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:43 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:

Watch on YouTube

Love the hustle and shooting obvy but my favorite part... having a guy who fights over screens! Has Smart taken him under his wing??

Played a real nice game last night, imo,

zoyathedestroya · Post #494 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:48 pm

JediMasterRevan wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:

Watch on YouTube

Love the hustle and shooting obvy but my favorite part... having a guy who fights over screens! Has Smart taken him under his wing??

Played a real nice game last night, imo,

No doubt. You thought it was a criticism?

I was praising him for fighting over screens. There was one in the clip and another one where I remember him doing upon live watch. It's just rare to see from our guards. Kemba and Jaylen usually die on screens or go under.

JediMasterRevan · Post #495 » by **JediMasterRevan** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:54 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:
JediMasterRevan wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:

Watch on YouTube

Love the hustle and shooting obvy but my favorite part... having a guy who fights over screens! Has Smart taken him under his wing??

Played a real nice game last night, imo,

No doubt. You thought it was a criticism?

I was praising him for fighting over screens. There was one in the clip and another one where I remember him doing upon live watch. It's just rare to see from our guards. Kemba and Jaylen usually die on screens or go under.

No, I didnt think it was a criticism at all.

I liked almost everything he brought on the court last night, Diving for loose balls, fighting, running hard.
Was good to see some heart out there.

Brad actually applauded him too, which I didnt think I would ever see.

Justin33 · Post #496 » by **Justin33** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:01 pm

What a beautiful shooting stroke I've compared it to Dale Ellis before but it bares repeating.

Curmudgeon · Post #497 » by **Curmudgeon** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:02 pm

I think Nesmith's defense has been better than I expected, and so has his rebounding. But his shooting has been worse.

GoGreen · Post #498 » by **GoGreen** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:05 pm

Every time Nesmith is out there he's showing HUSTLE. The kid is showing he wants to be out there. More Nesmith!!

24istheLAW · Post #499 » by **24istheLAW** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:07 pm

Man, I missed last night's game. Glad to see Nesmith had a good game, and more importantly, is getting shouted out for his off-ball contributions. That's why you make a rookie earn their minutes!

That three he took off a catch was a shooter's shot. On the move, against a good closeout.

Gomes3PC · Post #500 » by **Gomes3PC** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:09 pm

Good energy level, hustles, but on a team that is struggling with playmaking and ball movement, he (and Semi) really causes issues there. Can't expect a kid with his experience to be a playmaker off the bat, but his limitations their compound a problem already inherent in the team at the moment.