Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 5, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30)

[Andrew McCeltic]

Whatever, it was a good trade. Team personality and offensive chemistry were lousy even with Smart.

With no follow-ups (probably not what’s happening), we upped injury risk and chemistry risk, and lost a major defensive lynchpin who can guard 1-5. Schemes will change a little.

We also got the best player in the trade by a mile, and two 1st round picks, dealt away a surplus guard and strengthened the frontcourt, added a lob threat, a low post scorer, a guy who may be a better scorer than Jaylen, a big with more range than Payton Pritchard and good midrange shooting, and a developing rim protector with length who might become as impactful as Rob.

As long as KP stays healthy and his success wasn’t a function of WAS’ playbooks, he looks like he’s approaching his ceiling - three level scorer, knockdown perimeter threat who can shoot over 90 percent of defenders guarding him, smart rim protector with crazy length.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I’m still firmly of the belief they would’ve done the Marcus deal with the grizz even if the original brogdon deal would’ve happened. Smart for the 2 first and tyus coming here

I agree they didn’t just put that deal together in an hour. There had been discussions prior

Just thought of this but assuming both trades happened…wouldn’t it also have lowered our team salary? Making it easier to keep Grant and have the tax MLE?

No, but it’d be less bad. KP makes 14 more than Brogdon but 18 more than Marcus. And they would’ve found it easier to get cap relief and asset value for Smart. Brogdon is probably one or the other..

[sarcasma]

Off The Pike pod someone mentioned yesterday-

They saw Marcus push past Joe to lead timeouts
Marcus checked himself into the game a few times without being asked
Smart thought it was his team
Thinks he’s better than he is, thinks he’s a top 25 player
They think Joe was reluctant to bench him

Last heart and soul player with a grip on a clubhouse was also traded for a 3&D unicorn center..

That sounds 100% correct. Thats why Ive wanted SMART traded for 4 years. Celtics are going to be so much better without him.

[MrGreenRunsDeep]

Great post. So erudite and well reasoned. You really shouldn’t have gone to all this trouble to amass such overwhelming evidence.

Here is your evidence

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Keep these posters in your room!

Much like with Aron Baynes, your measure for a player's quality is the PQDA* stat. Awesome. Front offices still have a lot to learn.


*Poster-Quality Dunks Against

Well look where baynes is now? Karma hit him in washroom hard after being overpaid in Toronto.

[reload141]

Here is your evidence

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Keep these posters in your room!

Much like with Aron Baynes, your measure for a player's quality is the PQDA* stat. Awesome. Front offices still have a lot to learn.


*Poster-Quality Dunks Against

Well look where baynes is now? Karma hit him in washroom hard after being overpaid in Toronto.

Don’t talk about an Australian like that.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Tatum, Brown, DWhite, Big Al and obviously Zinger won't get dealt.

Brogdon is probably getting dealt, as the plan has likely been to deal both him and Smart. Would not surprise me to see Rob Williams get dealt also, as he's just too unreliable. Also, he can't shoot 3's, so may be another reason Brad wants to deal him.

[BleedGreen1989]

Kind of hate to say it, but I wouldn’t mind Rob dealt.

I love the guy and he’s popular on the team, but I’m not sure you can ever rely on him and he certainly can’t be a full time starter in my opinion. Not sure how many injury-prone players we can have in our rotation.

Any deals out there of Rob for a wing and then can sign a center to eat regular season minutes?

[Andrew McCeltic]

Wish we knew their evals of Porzingis’ health (bad luck and training mistakes, now a safe bet?) and Rob’s (does he just need time to bounce back from his last injury or is there a chronic issue?)

[captain green]

So what I'm reading from you guys is we can't sign can't will and it's very narrow of a window to sign and trade him. I hope we choose the narrow route hate to lose him for nothing.

[Cricket23]

Scal thinks Brogdon still going

[Andrew McCeltic]

Lots of teams will want Rob on that contract but that doesn’t tell you what they’d give up.

There are scenarios where you could trade Rob, keep Grant, and shave salary in a Brogdon trade..

[Andrew McCeltic]

Teams who could give value for Rob and have a role for him: Houston, New Orleans, Orlando, OKC, Toronto if Poeltl leaves, Washington..

[Wolverine44]

Whatever, it was a good trade. Team personality and offensive chemistry were lousy even with Smart.

With no follow-ups (probably not what’s happening), we upped injury risk and chemistry risk, and lost a major defensive lynchpin who can guard 1-5. Schemes will change a little.

We also got the best player in the trade by a mile, and two 1st round picks, dealt away a surplus guard and strengthened the frontcourt, added a lob threat, a low post scorer, a guy who may be a better scorer than Jaylen, a big with more range than Payton Pritchard and good midrange shooting, and a developing rim protector with length who might become as impactful as Rob.

As long as KP stays healthy and his success wasn’t a function of WAS’ playbooks, he looks like he’s approaching his ceiling - three level scorer, knockdown perimeter threat who can shoot over 90 percent of defenders guarding him, smart rim protector with crazy length.

Does anyone know in the GSW trade discussion's for Poole, was the deal discussed Poole for Smart? couldn't find any details online

[Andrew McCeltic]

Btw what about Poeltl to Orlando? WCJ becomes a combo big, they can wait on Isaac or trade him with Suggs for a point guard upgrade..

Fultz/Anthony
Brogdon/Black
Wagner/Jett/Bol
Banchero/WCJ
Poeltl(/WCJ)/Mo Wagner..

[Andrew McCeltic]

Whatever, it was a good trade. Team personality and offensive chemistry were lousy even with Smart.

With no follow-ups (probably not what’s happening), we upped injury risk and chemistry risk, and lost a major defensive lynchpin who can guard 1-5. Schemes will change a little.

We also got the best player in the trade by a mile, and two 1st round picks, dealt away a surplus guard and strengthened the frontcourt, added a lob threat, a low post scorer, a guy who may be a better scorer than Jaylen, a big with more range than Payton Pritchard and good midrange shooting, and a developing rim protector with length who might become as impactful as Rob.

As long as KP stays healthy and his success wasn’t a function of WAS’ playbooks, he looks like he’s approaching his ceiling - three level scorer, knockdown perimeter threat who can shoot over 90 percent of defenders guarding him, smart rim protector with crazy length.

Does anyone know in the GSW trade discussion's for Poole, was the deal discussed Poole for Smart? couldn't find any details online

No idea. Also possible we were calling on him as a chip to send for Porzingis..

[tfribs45]

Off The Pike pod someone mentioned yesterday-

They saw Marcus push past Joe to lead timeouts
Marcus checked himself into the game a few times without being asked
Smart thought it was his team
Thinks he’s better than he is, thinks he’s a top 25 player
They think Joe was reluctant to bench him

Last heart and soul player with a grip on a clubhouse was also traded for a 3&D unicorn center..

That sounds 100% correct. Thats why Ive wanted SMART traded for 4 years. Celtics are going to be so much better without him.

Maybe because Mazullas a bum of a coach. Van Gundy and Jackson were crushing him during the playoffs. Al and Smart were running the timeouts while bubble gum Joe was smashing clipboards and giving one word answers on post game interviews…. My guess is Joes gone by the Allstar break ! SMAHHTS the fall guy here for everyone else’s issues lol. JT disappeared when the lights were bright, JB was horrible in the Eastern Finals and Whites the full time PG now?! No fn way he’s running the point all year and we’re relying on PP, who’s a bigger liability then IT4 on defense. Cmon Man! Give me a break lmfao

[steefP2]

Whatever, it was a good trade. Team personality and offensive chemistry were lousy even with Smart.

With no follow-ups (probably not what’s happening), we upped injury risk and chemistry risk, and lost a major defensive lynchpin who can guard 1-5. Schemes will change a little.

We also got the best player in the trade by a mile, and two 1st round picks, dealt away a surplus guard and strengthened the frontcourt, added a lob threat, a low post scorer, a guy who may be a better scorer than Jaylen, a big with more range than Payton Pritchard and good midrange shooting, and a developing rim protector with length who might become as impactful as Rob.

As long as KP stays healthy and his success wasn’t a function of WAS’ playbooks, he looks like he’s approaching his ceiling - three level scorer, knockdown perimeter threat who can shoot over 90 percent of defenders guarding him, smart rim protector with crazy length.

Does anyone know in the GSW trade discussion's for Poole, was the deal discussed Poole for Smart? couldn't find any details online

No idea. Also possible we were calling on him as a chip to send for Porzingis..

Pretty sure it would’ve rerouted Poole to Washington and zinger to us, kind of like a back up deal to the grizz one

[Shak_Celts]

Scal thinks Brogdon still going

I doubt it. Brad did say Brogs was having a tough time with it though. It seems like everyone else is here to stay, even Pritchard.

I'm actually worried we're going to waste a spot on Korny AGAIN. Cham and Korny could go so JD and Walsh could get a shot!

Pritchard should be traded b/c he pretty much asked out twice. Also, just b/c Smart is gone it doesn't mean Pritch will play because he wasn't even when guys were out of the lineup and that was in the regular season.

I'm not okay if this is IT. Need a lil more change.

[itrsteve]

Kind of hate to say it, but I wouldn’t mind Rob dealt.

You’re high. His salary is next to nothing, given his impact he’s the best value on the team even if he’s mathematically available 50%.

Also he’s locked up for a few seasons as well. Particularly now with KP the reliance wont be as heavy.

[itrsteve]

Whatever, it was a good trade. Team personality and offensive chemistry were lousy even with Smart.

With no follow-ups (probably not what’s happening), we upped injury risk and chemistry risk, and lost a major defensive lynchpin who can guard 1-5. Schemes will change a little.

We also got the best player in the trade by a mile, and two 1st round picks, dealt away a surplus guard and strengthened the frontcourt, added a lob threat, a low post scorer, a guy who may be a better scorer than Jaylen, a big with more range than Payton Pritchard and good midrange shooting, and a developing rim protector with length who might become as impactful as Rob.

As long as KP stays healthy and his success wasn’t a function of WAS’ playbooks, he looks like he’s approaching his ceiling - three level scorer, knockdown perimeter threat who can shoot over 90 percent of defenders guarding him, smart rim protector with crazy length.

Does anyone know in the GSW trade discussion's for Poole, was the deal discussed Poole for Smart? couldn't find any details online

I think the fundamental difference is that Boston wasn’t actively shopping Smart. The Brogdon deal fell through at the 11th hour after Brad fell in love with the idea of getting KP and Memphis swooped in when there was next to no time to shop around or think about it due to KP’s opt-in deadline.

They craftily said “we want smart” when there wasn’t time to think about it or shop around.