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gocelts wrote:When you hear Houston asking for Milsap whos better than Green, you start getting back to earth that Houston isnt going to cough up Asik for peanuts.
The guy that intrigues me that's been brought up in all these scenerios is actually Hawes...it would be awesome to get him. I'd put together a package to Houston to make that work and let the Sixers have Asik...
PLO wrote:Tatum played OK - took advantage of a few mismatches - decent on the defensive end. He is what we thought he was going into the season - a technically very proficient player operating close to his career ceiling as a rookie.
Boston34Bg wrote:gocelts wrote:When you hear Houston asking for Milsap whos better than Green, you start getting back to earth that Houston isnt going to cough up Asik for peanuts.
The guy that intrigues me that's been brought up in all these scenerios is actually Hawes...it would be awesome to get him. I'd put together a package to Houston to make that work and let the Sixers have Asik...
Hawes is basically a slightly better version of Favs, who probably plays worse defense, why wouldn u want that?
humblebum wrote:Green is a bit better than you give him credit for and Asik a bit worse. Green still has the ability to kick into a higher gear from time to time (and has shown a penchant for making big plays down the stretch of games) while Asik can't defend PF's out to three point line (with a ton of those types masquerading as 5's around the league) and offensively he's a dud.
it seems evident the Celtics organization feels the same based on multiple reports.
humblebum wrote:GreenMachine wrote:humblebum wrote:Why are the Celtics necessarily avoiding the tax when it seems they're looking to contend? I would imagine that Asik would signal an all-in to win with this group for the next this and next season.
Also gotta think that this has something to do with keeping Rondo happy and willing to sign on that dotted line.
You are kidding right? We are obviously not trying to contend this year. Maybe next year and definitely the year after... and with the new repeater tax and other penalties for tax teams (no S&Ts etc) it will be easier to contend the next couple years if we DON'T go into the tax this year.
I understand the issues surrounding the repeater tax and why the owners will look to avoid it. My point is that the team could be in a position to contend in the weak East and it would be a shame if they came up short over this and next season because they came up short in terms of what they're willing to spend.
I don't want to get too far out ahead of this thing here but adding Rondo/Asik to what this team is doing now could put the Celtics in a position to be neck and neck with Miami and Indy.
FakeScreenName123 wrote:The one thing that I feel is a little unreported is that after Asik becomes a F.A in 18 months he immediately becomes a UFA with no rights what-so-ever being held onto him. He's gunna get paid $$$$ if his trajectory maintains it's current course.
SirTankalot wrote:humblebum wrote:Green is a bit better than you give him credit for and Asik a bit worse. Green still has the ability to kick into a higher gear from time to time (and has shown a penchant for making big plays down the stretch of games) while Asik can't defend PF's out to three point line (with a ton of those types masquerading as 5's around the league) and offensively he's a dud.
Jeff is a good basketball player. Not great. And good small forwards are replaceable. Asik is not a PF so who cares. He is a center who defends centers and the rim. And his value as a defensive-center significantly outweighs what you perceive as his negative offensive contributions (which by the way aren't as terrible as you think - 10 PPG on 54% shooting in 30 mins last year). Centers who can alter shots at the rim without picking up fouls are incredibly valuable commodities in today's game and Asik is one of those guys.it seems evident the Celtics organization feels the same based on multiple reports.
Who do you think leaked out that the Celtics would say "no way" to trading Green? Rockets are trying to leverage draft picks from Celtics and Ainge uses the media to build up Jeff's trade value.
Red2 wrote:how does trading jeff green ( if that's the deal) for asik, make us better?
Red2 wrote:All you do there is trade one hole for another.
sully00 wrote:I am not sure I follow what you are saying here.
sully00 wrote: He has a couple of decent years as a back up big and one good season as a starter and now is not performing at all. I like him but he is maybe a top 10 Center on the defensive side of the ball in a league where quite few teams don't even have Center.
FakeScreenName123 wrote:sully00 wrote:I am not sure I follow what you are saying here.
I guess what I am trying to say is, the Celtics would not have the option to extend Asik because under the new CBA any deals <4 years you cannot extend. So he would become a UFA in 18 months no matter what.sully00 wrote: He has a couple of decent years as a back up big and one good season as a starter and now is not performing at all. I like him but he is maybe a top 10 Center on the defensive side of the ball in a league where quite few teams don't even have Center.
If I say he's a top 5 defensive center (let's say no.5) and you say he's top 10 (let's say no.10) I don't see how I'm vastly overrating him. Also, maybe you're wrong? Maybe I'm wrong? Truth is probably somewhere in between.
You use "backup" like a negative, but put into context with the teams he's been on, his stats and his usage in that small time frame stand out even more. That's why some people (hi!) were O.K with his contract when he got it when he was just a "backup" because his stats/usage would translate as a starter. And they did.
I know as a Celtic fan, we absolutely loved Perk for those few years. We defended him against other people who pointed to his stats because his stats sucked, but because we're good fans we knew/know how much value he brought. Imagine a Perk on steroids who is athletically competent and can catch the ball and that's what Asik is. We're going to love him if he is on this team.
Most importantly, If you also gave me a list of players who would pair perfectly with Sullinger, there's not many better options than Asik... given price, availability and age.
SirTankalot wrote:Not all holes are equal and you have to prioritize when filling them. Sometimes when you have an opportunity to fill a hole that is hard to find, you just have to make it happen. You might be in a tight spot for awhile and it might get a little messy but it's worth it.
Captain_Caveman wrote:SirTankalot wrote:Not all holes are equal and you have to prioritize when filling them. Sometimes when you have an opportunity to fill a hole that is hard to find, you just have to make it happen. You might be in a tight spot for awhile and it might get a little messy but it's worth it.
LOL
So there was more logic than substance when a general manager told us, “It looks like Danny (Ainge) doesn’t want anything to happen in the league until he gets a chance to see if he can find something in it for Boston. I think he’s got his fingers in a lot of pies.”
SirTankalot wrote:Red2 wrote:All you do there is trade one hole for another.
Not all holes are equal and you have to prioritize when filling them. Sometimes when you have an opportunity to fill a hole that is hard to find, you just have to make it happen. You might be in a tight spot for awhile and it might get a little messy but it's worth it.
“It looks like Danny (Ainge) doesn’t want anything to happen in the league until he gets a chance to see if he can find something in it for Boston. I think he’s got his fingers in a lot of pies.”
SirTankalot wrote:klemen4 wrote:- Cleveland is out cause they are not getting Green
Enough with Jeff Green. He is a nice player. He is a solid player. He is not a player you build around as top-3 guy. He has a 15.41 PER and ranks 14th among starting SFs. That makes him league average. He is a solid defender, not a great one. Celtics have a chance to acquire a premier defensive center for an average SF and average PF without giving up any picks.
