Rondo Trade Rumors & Ideas (update pg 8)

[KGboss]

Parsons isnt more of a leader than Rondo...

Id rather get Isiah Thomas and McLemore and the sac town pick.

[Matty]

No need to trade Rondo right now IMO. I love the ridiculous trade offers for him from other teams fans. Amar'e, Felton, and a 2018 pick for Rondo or Parsons/Lin and a first for Rondo and Green lol GTFOH.

Celtics call the shots when it comes to a Rondo trade. Two first rounders, ONE young guy AND you take Gerald Wallace sending us a big expiring. Either that or nothing. Think it's too much? find yourself another All star PG noobs.

The Knicks would actually fit the bill if they had any decent draft picks to deal. Amar'e, Shumpert, Hardaway JR, 2 firsts for Wallace, Faverani and Rondo would work for me.

Raptors fan here,

Would you trade Rondo and Wallace for Valancanius, Ross, DeRozan, 2015 Unprotected 1st round pick?
If not, would it be close at least?

You must be some closet Celtic fan to be offering THAT much. Get outta here with this BS Masai is not a dumb GM

[StojkoVrankovic]

Parsons isnt more of a leader than Rondo...

Id rather get Isiah Thomas and McLemore and the sac town pick.

There is no way cyberx would have that type of information, unless Ainge is the worst negotiator in the league. He seems to throw around his opinion as fact quite a bit

[chrisab123]

No need to trade Rondo right now IMO. I love the ridiculous trade offers for him from other teams fans. Amar'e, Felton, and a 2018 pick for Rondo or Parsons/Lin and a first for Rondo and Green lol GTFOH.

Celtics call the shots when it comes to a Rondo trade. Two first rounders, ONE young guy AND you take Gerald Wallace sending us a big expiring. Either that or nothing. Think it's too much? find yourself another All star PG noobs.

The Knicks would actually fit the bill if they had any decent draft picks to deal. Amar'e, Shumpert, Hardaway JR, 2 firsts for Wallace, Faverani and Rondo would work for me.

Raptors fan here,

Would you trade Rondo and Wallace for Valancanius, Ross, DeRozan, 2015 Unprotected 1st round pick?
If not, would it be close at least?

You must be some closet Celtic fan to be offering THAT much. Get outta here with this BS Masai is not a dumb GM

Id drive Wallace and Rondo to Toronto personally

[soxfan2003]

Parsons isnt more of a leader than Rondo...

Id rather get Isiah Thomas and McLemore and the sac town pick.

So wouldn't Ainge in all probability but if the reporting is to be believed, the Kings is a no deal since Rondo doesn't want to play there. I will say if the Kings discussion is true, Rondo would want a lot of assurances by Ainge this summer before signing a 3 year deal since I doubt he wants to be then shipped out to Sacramento.

[Matty]

Any talks with Toronto would have to start with Jonas, right? I can't imagine Toronto putting together a decent package without him involved.

I bet Toronto would kill for a Rondo+Olynyk package.

No we wouldn't my friend. We're not dying for any Canadian talent on the market. Unless his last name is Wiggins, Masai won't be interested.

[ryaningf]

The latest from cyberx:

It has been discussed on some level (Rondo to Houston)

Do I feel confident it will happen? Right now I think the Rockets do not have the strongest offer for Boston... IF they cave in to give Parsons at the deadline... I put the Rockets as the front runner.

Ainge feels Parsons could LEAD the Celtics team and be a vocal leader on and off the floor for a group of young guys.

Aingle and Morey are both doing their jobs... That is to discuss everything they can. Does that mean it is going to happen? Of course not. But does that mean the Rockets GM is busting his butt and looking at EVERY possibility? YES.

If Ainge feels that way about Parsons we should probably be looking into trading our GM

The Houston insider now knows what Ainge is thinking too? This is guy is some insider.

The thought that we'd be building around Chandler seems more than far-fetched, especially when he's set up for a payday and will either be a restricted free agent in 2014 (if his option is turned down) or an unrestricted free agent in 2015 (if his option is picked up).

That's the problem with all these proposed deals--they usually involve someone we'd need to resign right away (like Thomas or Lowry or Lin/Asik/Chandler. But then the supposed reason we're even entertaining trade talks about Rondo is because we're afraid we can't resign him? How the logic work in that? We're trade one pending free agent for another pending free agent, only the ones we're getting back are worse players so they'll be easier to resign?

[Matty]

Raptors fan here,

Would you trade Rondo and Wallace for Valancanius, Ross, DeRozan, 2015 Unprotected 1st round pick?
If not, would it be close at least?

You must be some closet Celtic fan to be offering THAT much. Get outta here with this BS Masai is not a dumb GM

Id drive Wallace and Rondo to Toronto personally

I know you would do that. I'm glad we have a GM who doesn't just look at the resume.

Rondo is a former shell of himself, plus in order for him to be effective, he needs scorers around him to distribute the ball to, if he can't win games with Wallace and Green on his team then he's just a poor man's Nash with zero outside range.

[Captain_Caveman]

Parsons isnt more of a leader than Rondo...

Id rather get Isiah Thomas and McLemore and the sac town pick.

There is no way cyberx would have that type of information, unless Ainge is the worst negotiator in the league. He seems to throw around his opinion as fact quite a bit

I think he could. This is kinda the context of how teams talk to each other, plus there is surely some degree of chumminess with these two front offices, who have plenty of contacts with each other beyond the relationship between the two GMs. Bound to be some leakage there.

Doesn't mean this will happen. Houston is probably on notice to go get a lottery pick to send with Parsons and Asik for Rondo and a lesser pick, or something of that nature.

[Gant]

Deveney:

As has become the custom, any period of NBA trade activity features Celtics guard Rajon Rondo prominently. Also customary, though, is this: Sources told Sporting News this week that there is very little chance the Celtics find a deal involving Rondo this year.

“It really is the same thing, teams call about him but the Celtics want him and he wants to be the leader of that team,” one source said. “It has always been his intention to establish himself in that role, to be part of the rebuilding and to stay in Boston for a long time. Nothing has changed.”

Boston’s long-term plan is to focus on the summer of ’15, when they might be able to pair Rondo with some member of that year’s free-agent class, which could include Kevin Love, LaMarcus Aldridge, Roy Hibbert, Marc Gasol, Tyson Chandler, Brook Lopez and DeAndre Jordan — some of the league’s best big men.

Add the Celtics’ two picks in the stocked upcoming draft to that mix, and Boston will be ready to be a playoff team again after just a short retooling.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2 ... um=twitter

[Captain_Caveman]

Deveney:

As has become the custom, any period of NBA trade activity features Celtics guard Rajon Rondo prominently. Also customary, though, is this: Sources told Sporting News this week that there is very little chance the Celtics find a deal involving Rondo this year.

“It really is the same thing, teams call about him but the Celtics want him and he wants to be the leader of that team,” one source said. “It has always been his intention to establish himself in that role, to be part of the rebuilding and to stay in Boston for a long time. Nothing has changed.”

Boston’s long-term plan is to focus on the summer of ’15, when they might be able to pair Rondo with some member of that year’s free-agent class, which could include Kevin Love, LaMarcus Aldridge, Roy Hibbert, Marc Gasol, Tyson Chandler, Brook Lopez and DeAndre Jordan — some of the league’s best big men.

Add the Celtics’ two picks in the stocked upcoming draft to that mix, and Boston will be ready to be a playoff team again after just a short retooling.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2 ... um=twitter

I think this is it exactly. If they get a godfather offer for Rondo, they will take it. But chances are, that won't happen, and that their primary plan is to add star talent around him by 2015.

[15th overall]

Any talks with Toronto would have to start with Jonas, right? I can't imagine Toronto putting together a decent package without him involved.

I bet Toronto would kill for a Rondo+Olynyk package.

No we wouldn't my friend. We're not dying for any Canadian talent on the market. Unless his last name is Wiggins, Masai won't be interested.

I was thinking, as a 7-footer, he would potentially soften the blow of losing Jonas slightly, not just a PR stunt. I doubt Toronto parts with Valanciunas but IMO he's the admission price for a seat at the negotiating table. Terrence Ross and a couple of late firsts isn't going to get you Rondo.

[15th overall]

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[ryaningf]

Part of me loves how Danny is willing to listen to offers for any player. I file that under "doing your job". At the same time, I share some of the same sadness that Paul Pierce voiced this summer about why other teams seemingly put a certain class of players off-limits (and thus out of trade rumors) but we do not. I mean, there's nothing preventing you from trading a player you declare off-limits and there would seem to be a benefit to telling that player that we're not even taking calls on you, even if it's only a courtesy.

The problem is, Ainge is one of the few that operates in this manner and as such it's creates this vacuum where offers to the Celtics become trade rumors. Even the stupid Knicks are about to float their crap package for the nth time (per Stein tweet minutes ago), even they know and we know and the Celtics know that they have nothing.

It's great and all that danny is willing to listen but I wonder if there isn't some level of diminishing returns when his willingness to listen is perceived by other teams as desperation to deal. So much time wasted listening to crap offers or responding to crap rumors when if he was a little more selective and less open he might actually be able to spend time on talks that actually go someplace.

[StojkoVrankovic]

Parsons isnt more of a leader than Rondo...

Id rather get Isiah Thomas and McLemore and the sac town pick.

There is no way cyberx would have that type of information, unless Ainge is the worst negotiator in the league. He seems to throw around his opinion as fact quite a bit

I think he could. This is kinda the context of how teams talk to each other, plus there is surely some degree of chumminess with these two front offices, who have plenty of contacts with each other beyond the relationship between the two GMs. Bound to be some leakage there.

Doesn't mean this will happen. Houston is probably on notice to go get a lottery pick to send with Parsons and Asik for Rondo and a lesser pick, or something of that nature.

It could certainly be possible, but it would also put an unnecessary dent in Ainge's leverage.

[Celts17Pride]

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Going to be fun going to the Knicks forum next year if Rondo stays and Melo ends up signing in Boston to play with Rondo.

[Captain_Caveman]

There is no way cyberx would have that type of information, unless Ainge is the worst negotiator in the league. He seems to throw around his opinion as fact quite a bit

I think he could. This is kinda the context of how teams talk to each other, plus there is surely some degree of chumminess with these two front offices, who have plenty of contacts with each other beyond the relationship between the two GMs. Bound to be some leakage there.

Doesn't mean this will happen. Houston is probably on notice to go get a lottery pick to send with Parsons and Asik for Rondo and a lesser pick, or something of that nature.

It could certainly be possible, but it would also put an unnecessary dent in Ainge's leverage.

I dunno, these teams have been negotiating since November and the secrets are probably few and far between at this point. At the end of the day, the message is probably, "go get a lottery pick, Daryl."

[StojkoVrankovic]

I think he could. This is kinda the context of how teams talk to each other, plus there is surely some degree of chumminess with these two front offices, who have plenty of contacts with each other beyond the relationship between the two GMs. Bound to be some leakage there.

Doesn't mean this will happen. Houston is probably on notice to go get a lottery pick to send with Parsons and Asik for Rondo and a lesser pick, or something of that nature.

It could certainly be possible, but it would also put an unnecessary dent in Ainge's leverage.

I dunno, these teams have been negotiating since November and the secrets are probably few and far between at this point. At the end of the day, the message is probably, "go get a lottery pick, Daryl."

No kidding, you think these conversations have been going on that long?

[soxfan2003]

The latest from cyberx:

If Ainge feels that way about Parsons we should probably be looking into trading our GM

The Houston insider now knows what Ainge is thinking too? This is guy is some insider.

The thought that we'd be building around Chandler seems more than far-fetched, especially when he's set up for a payday and will either be a restricted free agent in 2014 (if his option is turned down) or an unrestricted free agent in 2015 (if his option is picked up).

That's the problem with all these proposed deals--they usually involve someone we'd need to resign right away (like Thomas or Lowry or Lin/Asik/Chandler. But then the supposed reason we're even entertaining trade talks about Rondo is because we're afraid we can't resign him? How the logic work in that? We're trade one pending free agent for another pending free agent, only the ones we're getting back are worse players so they'll be easier to resign?

With the Sacramento deal, McLemore would be under the Celtics control at a cheap cost for 3 more full seasons and then just a RFA. Boston would have also got at least 1 pick. Thomas isn't a likely candidate to be overpaid by that much.

I agree with you the Houston deal centering around Parsons is somewhat of a concern since he is a player that has been in the media spotlight a bit so he could get overpaid. Ainge may just think of him as an asset to quickly trade away since he is on a 1 million dollar deal next year and that has nice value.

If Parsons really does have a somewhat well established value at just hypothetically speaking 3 years 30 million after the 2014-15 season.... Ainge may be willing to sign him at 3 years 22 million this off-season and bypass the team option in which Parsons is just paid 1 million next year. So instead of an anticipated 4 year 31 million over the next 4 seasons nearly all of which could vanish with an injury, Parsons becomes a 3 year 22 million dollar deal. The Celtics would have to trust that Parsons isn't going sign with someone else via RFA so it might be a risk somewhat like what Cleveland took with Boozer. I don't pretend to know how the CBA works but for financial security one would think Parson's would be happy to work something out this summer.

[Matty]

Any talks with Toronto would have to start with Jonas, right? I can't imagine Toronto putting together a decent package without him involved.

I bet Toronto would kill for a Rondo+Olynyk package.

No we wouldn't my friend. We're not dying for any Canadian talent on the market. Unless his last name is Wiggins, Masai won't be interested.

I was thinking, as a 7-footer, he would potentially soften the blow of losing Jonas slightly, not just a PR stunt. I doubt Toronto parts with Valanciunas but IMO he's the admission price for a seat at the negotiating table. Terrence Ross and a couple of late firsts isn't going to get you Rondo.

Honestly, I just don't see us as trading partners, both our GMs are too smart to be fleeced in a deal. Usually, you only see a smart GM deal with a dumb GM, it's just the way business goes.

I like Olynk's game and I definitely see him as our starting center in 2016 on the national side, but I don't really want to see him on a Raptors jersey, he game reminds me too much of Bargnani

I know he won't turn out as soft as Bargnani but Raptors fans have suffered long enough from 7 footers shooting 3-pointers. Jonas is just what the doctor ordered for us, but thank you for the kind offer.