Fire Ainge: Thanks Danny, but it's time to go

[Gomes3PC]

Oh this is coming for sure if things don't change quick.

They're tired of Brad and tired of danny surrounding them with trash talent.

We have a Celts talking head going on the radio pinning it on our 2 best players...The same guy that has that cringey soundbite from a few years back.

"I can't think of anyone of the top of my head short of Lebron James, few other big names like that - Kevin Durant, that I would consider trading Avery Bradley for. I know that sounds outrageous but I just wouldn't do it. We've seen in the last week what his presence can do"

The Celts front office org and talking heads are obsessed with trash players

LOL what? Tatum just signed a max deal. He and Brown are gonna ask out with 4+ years left on their deals?

Sure, if we don't make progress 18 months from now, I could see dissatisfaction setting in, but that's the nature of the NBA. If you're not getting better, you're falling behind and eventually you will need an overhaul.

Yeah. It's too early for Tatum and Brown to reach that point, but we have to consider that compared to other "young stars," Tatum and Brown have relatively had lots of success already since the start of their careers (never missing the playoffs, multiple ECFs), so it might not take as much or as long for them to be dissatisfied than say, a Devin Booker or a Karl Anthony Towns. And the future is just so unpredictable. One injury could instantly change the course of a player's career or the team. A new GSW superpower might emerge out of nowhere and then there goes your window for several years. It's stupid to "take it easy for now" just because your cornerstones are still too damn young and are contractually locked in already.

Or, perhaps, they could say "Hey, this franchise has been really good my whole career, this season was bizarre and screwy. Let's maybe chalk it up to a confluence of bad events and ensure we get off next year on the right foot." The fact that we have won and they have blossomed here I think HELPS, not hurts. Guys who are good and lose all the time either become numb to it or hate it and want out.

[FrodoFraggins]

Doc wanted to go to coach for Donald Sterling. If Stevens wants to go coach somewhere and the other organization wants him at whatever contract he has, sure, I guess he can be traded.

If Danny meets with him and they determine he has a better fit elsewhere, then I think that makes sense. I think his experiment is over and they should have an exit strategy for the offseason. but I'm sure Danny would be petrified of him excelling somewhere else so who knows.

[Bleeding Green]

Doc wanted to go to coach for Donald Sterling. If Stevens wants to go coach somewhere and the other organization wants him at whatever contract he has, sure, I guess he can be traded.

If Danny meets with him and they determine he has a better fit elsewhere, then I think that makes sense. I think his experiment is over and they should have an exit strategy for the offseason. but I'm sure Danny would be petrified of him excelling somewhere else so who knows.

What experiment? They are a couple months removed from the ECF and have two of the best under-25 players in the NBA locked up for the next 4+ years.

[FrodoFraggins]

Ainge has his flaws, and at some point it will be time to part ways, but I am not ready to just dump the guy for having a rough offseason in the weirdest year in NBA history. This situation is also fixable - it's not like we're painted into a corner and Tatum/Brown are demanding trades.

Oh this is coming for sure if things don't change quick.

They're tired of Brad and tired of danny surrounding them with trash talent.

We have a Celts talking head going on the radio pinning it on our 2 best players...The same guy that has that cringey soundbite from a few years back.

"I can't think of anyone of the top of my head short of Lebron James, few other big names like that - Kevin Durant, that I would consider trading Avery Bradley for. I know that sounds outrageous but I just wouldn't do it. We've seen in the last week what his presence can do"

The Celts front office org and talking heads are obsessed with trash players

LOL what? Tatum just signed a max deal. He and Brown are gonna ask out with 4+ years left on their deals?

Sure, if we don't make progress 18 months from now, I could see dissatisfaction setting in, but that's the nature of the NBA. If you're not getting better, you're falling behind and eventually you will need an overhaul.

Yeah, they aren't close to asking out. But if this season turns out as bad as it has been so far, they should let Danny know that it's time to put together a strong roster. Because if this happens next year, then yes I see massive morale problems and them checking out greener pastures.

[FrodoFraggins]

Doc wanted to go to coach for Donald Sterling. If Stevens wants to go coach somewhere and the other organization wants him at whatever contract he has, sure, I guess he can be traded.

If Danny meets with him and they determine he has a better fit elsewhere, then I think that makes sense. I think his experiment is over and they should have an exit strategy for the offseason. but I'm sure Danny would be petrified of him excelling somewhere else so who knows.

What experiment? They are a couple months removed from the ECF and have two of the best under-25 players in the NBA locked up for the next 4+ years.

Who the hell will remember ECF as if that was a great victory. 0 for 3 is what's remembered. Because Danny refused to go all in on putting together an actual championship team. One title is worth more than a ton of losses in the ECF. The league is title or bust. Falling short each time, while so close, is pretty damn demoralizing. Especially when you see how many picks Danny refuses to give up to fix the roster.

Players rule the league, if they Jays both get disgruntled then they have extreme power.

[Bleeding Green]

Brown and Tatum have no power. What players aged 22 and 24 with 4 and 5 years of contractual obligation have any control? KAT is a million times the player in a much worse position and even he has no power. Who cares about 30 games of some covid season when the best player on the team got covid, the starting point has played like **** and been injured, the second point guard is out with a calf tear, etc? Probably just some dumbass fans. No, the end-goal isn't just to make the ECF, but how many players have played more playoff minutes than Jayson Tatum since he entered the league? LeBron, Draymond, Curry. If he is such a pud that he requires more than that at age 22, he is going to have a miserable life.

[bbd24]

If Danny meets with him and they determine he has a better fit elsewhere, then I think that makes sense. I think his experiment is over and they should have an exit strategy for the offseason. but I'm sure Danny would be petrified of him excelling somewhere else so who knows.

What experiment? They are a couple months removed from the ECF and have two of the best under-25 players in the NBA locked up for the next 4+ years.

Who the hell will remember ECF as if that was a great victory. 0 for 3 is what's remembered. Because Danny refused to go all in on putting together an actual championship team. One title is worth more than a ton of losses in the ECF. The league is title or bust. Falling short each time, while so close, is pretty damn demoralizing. Especially when you see how many picks Danny refuses to give up to fix the roster.

Players rule the league, if they Jays both get disgruntled then they have extreme power.

You’ve been to 3 Eastern Conference Finals the past 4 years. What are you sulking about ? Just because they’re not playing well during a COVID year when Walker & Smart have been out ? I don’t understand how you can sulk about anything in regards to the Celtics, Ainge, & the roster.

He’s done darn well for us, and we should have all the faith in the world when you look at his resume. Other teams would die for a Danny Ainge at the helm. Ask the Sacramento Kings.

[sprash9802]

Lmao at people jumping to Danny's defense. Heres someone who actually has been around the team speaking some truth: [youtube]
https://youtu.be/b_64wt8YmQQ [/youtube]

[FrodoFraggins]

What experiment? They are a couple months removed from the ECF and have two of the best under-25 players in the NBA locked up for the next 4+ years.

Who the hell will remember ECF as if that was a great victory. 0 for 3 is what's remembered. Because Danny refused to go all in on putting together an actual championship team. One title is worth more than a ton of losses in the ECF. The league is title or bust. Falling short each time, while so close, is pretty damn demoralizing. Especially when you see how many picks Danny refuses to give up to fix the roster.

Players rule the league, if they Jays both get disgruntled then they have extreme power.

You’ve been to 3 Eastern Conference Finals the past 4 years. What are you sulking about ? Just because they’re not playing well during a COVID year when Walker & Smart have been out ? I don’t understand how you can sulk about anything in regards to the Celtics, Ainge, & the roster.

He’s done darn well for us, and we should have all the faith in the world when you look at his resume. Other teams would die for a Danny Ainge at the helm. Ask the Sacramento Kings.

My issue with the ECF appearances is with Danny. 0-3 in the ECF is not something to throw around as a great success. Danny had the assets to improve the team and chose to stand pat. Doing so last year was unforgivable really as that was our best chance. Now we have to deal with a loaded BKN and a better assembled and coached PHI in addition to whatever MIL does in the playoffs. Soon Tatum will be maxed and our options are slimmer.

It's clear that Danny could have used our assets to put a solid player alongside them that isn't at the end of their peak.

How Danny uses the big TPE will determine whether or not he's a capable GM anymore.

[Bleeding Green]

You're out of your mind. The only teams that have been overall better the last five years are LeBron teams and Curry teams. And a Kawhi team for one season. I guess Ainge carries fault for not convincing LeBron to sign in Boston and not going after Kawhi, who would be gone by now. THis isn't really a 'defense', it's just a reality. Get LeBron or build the Warriors or your team has failed.

[darylbe]

That's the thing, are they really "two of the best" young players? They're faltering. Other young players are accomplishing more with less

[bbd24]

Who the hell will remember ECF as if that was a great victory. 0 for 3 is what's remembered. Because Danny refused to go all in on putting together an actual championship team. One title is worth more than a ton of losses in the ECF. The league is title or bust. Falling short each time, while so close, is pretty damn demoralizing. Especially when you see how many picks Danny refuses to give up to fix the roster.

Players rule the league, if they Jays both get disgruntled then they have extreme power.

You’ve been to 3 Eastern Conference Finals the past 4 years. What are you sulking about ? Just because they’re not playing well during a COVID year when Walker & Smart have been out ? I don’t understand how you can sulk about anything in regards to the Celtics, Ainge, & the roster.

He’s done darn well for us, and we should have all the faith in the world when you look at his resume. Other teams would die for a Danny Ainge at the helm. Ask the Sacramento Kings.

My issue with the ECF appearances is with Danny. 0-3 in the ECF is not something to throw around as a great success. Danny had the assets to improve the team and chose to stand pat. Doing so last year was unforgivable really as that was our best chance. Now we have to deal with a loaded BKN and a better assembled and coached PHI in addition to whatever MIL does in the playoffs. Soon Tatum will be maxed and our options are slimmer.

It's clear that Danny could have used our assets to put a solid player alongside them that isn't at the end of their peak.

How Danny uses the big TPE will determine whether or not he's a capable GM anymore.

No way. You can’t use the TPE as a mark on whether Ainge can or can’t get the job done. He’s a darn good GM regardless of the TPE.

It’s a combination of things right now. Defense and ball movement stand out to me. Close to last in assists.....How do you change it ? I think he has to do a little addition by subtraction.

Personally, I’d move Brown. Tatum and Brown are redundant. Both stop ball movement although both exceptional talents.

But for what ? That’s what Ainge gets paid for. Defense and shooting. It’s not a great market right now so fans won’t like being patient. Unfortunately, that’s how you have to play it. No rush. The right move is better than a reaction move.

[Fierce1]

Tatum and Brown will not be redundant in the near future.

Jayson Tatum's natural position is PF.

The problem is Tatum still has the body of a college kid.
I think in 2 years Tatum will be playing PF.

[Ernest]

This thread is pathetic.

[chrisab123]

This thread is pathetic.

Why?

1 title in 18 years shouldn't give you a job for life. The last couple years not many people have done less with more. Its not even just with players but with the coaching as well. Should have pushed Brad to hire actual NBA assistant coaches.

[BostonCouchGM]

If Danny meets with him and they determine he has a better fit elsewhere, then I think that makes sense. I think his experiment is over and they should have an exit strategy for the offseason. but I'm sure Danny would be petrified of him excelling somewhere else so who knows.

What experiment? They are a couple months removed from the ECF and have two of the best under-25 players in the NBA locked up for the next 4+ years.

Who the hell will remember ECF as if that was a great victory. 0 for 3 is what's remembered. Because Danny refused to go all in on putting together an actual championship team. One title is worth more than a ton of losses in the ECF. The league is title or bust. Falling short each time, while so close, is pretty damn demoralizing. Especially when you see how many picks Danny refuses to give up to fix the roster.

Players rule the league, if they Jays both get disgruntled then they have extreme power.

Ainge actually DID go "all in" when he traded for Kyrie and signed Hayward. The problem is how he chose to go all in and who with. Kyrie was a malcontent with an injury history he never should have gone after. It wouldn't have worked even if Hayward hadn't have been injured. That combined with bad drafting and trading draft picks away is what has led us to this point.

[FrodoFraggins]

You’ve been to 3 Eastern Conference Finals the past 4 years. What are you sulking about ? Just because they’re not playing well during a COVID year when Walker & Smart have been out ? I don’t understand how you can sulk about anything in regards to the Celtics, Ainge, & the roster.

He’s done darn well for us, and we should have all the faith in the world when you look at his resume. Other teams would die for a Danny Ainge at the helm. Ask the Sacramento Kings.

My issue with the ECF appearances is with Danny. 0-3 in the ECF is not something to throw around as a great success. Danny had the assets to improve the team and chose to stand pat. Doing so last year was unforgivable really as that was our best chance. Now we have to deal with a loaded BKN and a better assembled and coached PHI in addition to whatever MIL does in the playoffs. Soon Tatum will be maxed and our options are slimmer.

It's clear that Danny could have used our assets to put a solid player alongside them that isn't at the end of their peak.

How Danny uses the big TPE will determine whether or not he's a capable GM anymore.

No way. You can’t use the TPE as a mark on whether Ainge can or can’t get the job done. He’s a darn good GM regardless of the TPE.

It’s a combination of things right now. Defense and ball movement stand out to me. Close to last in assists.....How do you change it ? I think he has to do a little addition by subtraction.

Personally, I’d move Brown. Tatum and Brown are redundant. Both stop ball movement although both exceptional talents.

But for what ? That’s what Ainge gets paid for. Defense and shooting. It’s not a great market right now so fans won’t like being patient. Unfortunately, that’s how you have to play it. No rush. The right move is better than a reaction move.

It's understood that he overplayed his hand with Indiana so if the TPE yields worse than Turner, McDermott and a first rounder then he botched it. People keep claiming that Indiana never would have raised their offer to match CHA. But people ignore the fact that Haywards agent knew that IND wasn't willing to meet Ainge's demands. So there was no point wasting time trying to get a counter when Hayward was ready to move on.

If IND and BOS had a deal in place before FA hit then it would have been a completely different narrative and IND would have been able to have a chance to counter.

[FrodoFraggins]

What experiment? They are a couple months removed from the ECF and have two of the best under-25 players in the NBA locked up for the next 4+ years.

Who the hell will remember ECF as if that was a great victory. 0 for 3 is what's remembered. Because Danny refused to go all in on putting together an actual championship team. One title is worth more than a ton of losses in the ECF. The league is title or bust. Falling short each time, while so close, is pretty damn demoralizing. Especially when you see how many picks Danny refuses to give up to fix the roster.

Players rule the league, if they Jays both get disgruntled then they have extreme power.

Ainge actually DID go "all in" when he traded for Kyrie and signed Hayward. The problem is how he chose to go all in and who with. Kyrie was a malcontent with an injury history he never should have gone after. It wouldn't have worked even if Hayward hadn't have been injured. That combined with bad drafting and trading draft picks away is what has led us to this point.

That's not "all in". He never traded a bunch of our picks. He was able to hold on to them. He had a chance to go all in last year by the deadline if he wanted to complete the roster. He didn't even need to go all in, he just needed to add complementary pieces to better compete.

Going all in now would be less effective because we don't have Hayward so we need multiple pieces. And frankly, it's clear that the Jays aren't ready anyway.

[Bleeding Green]

Like what player should he have traded for last year that would have helped enough to make a difference? The best player that moved last year was Marv Williams and he was a buyout that just chose to sign with Milwaukee.

[GoGreen]

Lmao at people jumping to Danny's defense. Heres someone who actually has been around the team speaking some truth: [youtube]
https://youtu.be/b_64wt8YmQQ [/youtube]

Washburn went IN on Danny and the front office. So damn refreshing to see a writer not suck up to them. Dude is straight spitting facts and saying exactly what needs to be said.