It's a Tragedy to see the Deadline's Over Post Trade Thread

[CelticsPride18]

Thanks man, but not really, plus they haven’t made many big trades aside from Irving which I rightfully hated as that guy was and still is a chump.

I was waiting for the big trade: Harden. Ainge pussed out.

Harden, Tatum, Kemba, and the bag of chips remaining wouldn’t be doing **** in the East lol. That would be a panic move if I’ve ever seen one and Harden would be out in a year.

That’s the big trade you wanted? LMAOOOOOOOOOO

Totally disagree with this with the exception that harden leaves which is a real thing to consider. The Celtics would have the tpe plus all of our picks. Ainge would also have been more aggressive at the deadline. Harden off the nets changes the entire eastern conference whose the biggest threats in the east?

Unproven Philly? Mia? not doing **** in the east is us right now lol. The bucks would be the team to beat. If harden leaves a year I believe you’d get space to get beal.

Are we sure Houston takes Jaylen?. They rejected a better player in Ben Simmons

[MagicBagley18]

Harden, Tatum, Kemba, and the bag of chips remaining wouldn’t be doing **** in the East lol. That would be a panic move if I’ve ever seen one and Harden would be out in a year.

That’s the big trade you wanted? LMAOOOOOOOOOO

Totally disagree with this with the exception that harden leaves which is a real thing to consider. The Celtics would have the tpe plus all of our picks. Ainge would also have been more aggressive at the deadline. Harden off the nets changes the entire eastern conference whose the biggest threats in the east?

Unproven Philly? Mia? not doing **** in the east is us right now lol. The bucks would be the team to beat. If harden leaves a year I believe you’d get space to get beal.

Are we sure Houston takes Jaylen?. They rejected a better player in Ben Simmons

They were trying to jack up the price so high bc it was morey- yes they take Jaylen. I understand not wanting to move Jaylen part of that deal from people but I disagree they wouldn’t do **** in the east is all.

The nets getting harden allows them to have 2 of 3 stars virtually every night, it was a game changer. Philly is Philly until they prove it in the post season even with an mvp Joel. Having Tatum be your 1b option on offense is a huge thing

[winsomme2]

Dude, we gave up 80 points in the paint the other night with Theis on the floor. **** ain't gettin' any worse. Seriously. Despite the absence of Theis we'd actually have to TRY to make our defense worse than it's already been. So here's what Danny is banking on:

-More minutes with Rob helps improve the defense to something resembling acceptable levels.
-the addition of Fournier's offense improves our offensive efficiency (especially in the 4th quarter where we've sucked ass) enough to counter our defensive issues.
-Danny can re-sign Fournier (this is a huge risk for sure but that's where we are)

I disagree that it can't get worse. My fear is that MEM game is now gonna be every game.

The offense should be better, but please tell me why the overall impact of these moves is better than waiting till the offseason when as even Danny said the TPE would be much more useful.

I think Danny is even was saying in that statement he gave that he would have preferred to make his moves in the off season.

Again, I WANT to watch this team. I just think the interior defense is going to be so poor EVERY game now that it's just gonna be hard to watch. And now no TPE.

Also, please tell me why we needed to trade Theis to get RWill more minutes. Just start him....wth

Bro, it's been every game. Maybe not 80 points in the paint same but our defense is deplorable. It's been that way all year. Danny's hope is that Fournier helps with some of our well-documented 4th quarter offensive woes and that maybe we can finish some of those clutch games that we have let slip all year. Well the Theis move was made to keep us under the tax. You know that. Basically, they sacrificed some defense to get hopefully much better offensively in the short term. Danny felt this team needed some new energy so there we have it. Put it this way we are 23rd ranked in DefEff, 27th in OppPPG in the 4Q. There's more room to improve than there is to get worse from here.

We're just going to disagree about the impact of no Theis the rest of the way. I hope you're right that the improvement on offense will outperform any drop in defense. We shall see.

The bigger question is why not wait till the offseason? Is the improvement in offense really worth spending the TPE on a possible rental?

I'm just not seeing it.

If we land a Drummond I might see things differently but right now I'm just seeing a turnstile down low.

[SmartWentCrazy]

- Kornet is driving from Chicago to meet the Celtics in Milwaukee today.

I lol'd more than i should have

Can just picture Kornet pleading “please dont cut me” the whole way

[SmartWentCrazy]

Very happy we didnt give up our first lol. Tatum goes down and were staring at a mid lotto pick

[BigTrade92]

Thanks man, but not really, plus they haven’t made many big trades aside from Irving which I rightfully hated as that guy was and still is a chump.

I was waiting for the big trade: Harden. Ainge pussed out.

Harden, Tatum, Kemba, and the bag of chips remaining wouldn’t be doing **** in the East lol. That would be a panic move if I’ve ever seen one and Harden would be out in a year.

That’s the big trade you wanted? LMAOOOOOOOOOO

Totally disagree with this with the exception that harden leaves which is a real thing to consider. The Celtics would have the tpe plus all of our picks. Ainge would also have been more aggressive at the deadline. Harden off the nets changes the entire eastern conference whose the biggest threats in the east?

Unproven Philly? Mia? not doing **** in the east is us right now lol. The bucks would be the team to beat. If harden leaves a year I believe you’d get space to get beal.

Exactly.

The East and league as a whole is a hodgepodge of meh right now. For someone to try and sit there and say Harden, Tatum and any additional moves made to improve the bench couldn't win the title is some of the most green font stuff I've seen written on this board.

This season is wide open. Injuries have taken out guys like Lebron, AD, etc. Virus outbreaks happen and may even get worse with fans back now. Anyone can win a title. To not push for a championship this season of all seasons after knocking on the door with no success for years is why this team is consistently clowned upon throughout the NBA circles.

You'd have two years with Harden to build a super-team. Doesn't seem too tough, especially when every notable player that's being cut loose is flocking to go to Brooklyn...

[Curmudgeon]

The more I think about it, the Theis trade was really a cheapskate move to pacify ownership. I would have waived a stretched Tristan Thompson, Maybe Ainge did not want to offend Klutch Sports. I don't think Mo Wagner can come close to providing the rim protection, pick setting and other unselfish things that Theis did. Maybe Wagner can become a fan favorite if he plays hard, but he won't do the other things nearly as well as Theis. Plus he's even more foul prone than Theis.

Had they waived TT it would have cost the Celtics his "dead money" for three years plus what it would have taken to resign Theis (I'm guessing $10-12M). But from a basketball standpoint, Theis vs TT is no contest.

[bucknersrevenge]

I disagree that it can't get worse. My fear is that MEM game is now gonna be every game.

The offense should be better, but please tell me why the overall impact of these moves is better than waiting till the offseason when as even Danny said the TPE would be much more useful.

I think Danny is even was saying in that statement he gave that he would have preferred to make his moves in the off season.

Again, I WANT to watch this team. I just think the interior defense is going to be so poor EVERY game now that it's just gonna be hard to watch. And now no TPE.

Also, please tell me why we needed to trade Theis to get RWill more minutes. Just start him....wth

Bro, it's been every game. Maybe not 80 points in the paint same but our defense is deplorable. It's been that way all year. Danny's hope is that Fournier helps with some of our well-documented 4th quarter offensive woes and that maybe we can finish some of those clutch games that we have let slip all year. Well the Theis move was made to keep us under the tax. You know that. Basically, they sacrificed some defense to get hopefully much better offensively in the short term. Danny felt this team needed some new energy so there we have it. Put it this way we are 23rd ranked in DefEff, 27th in OppPPG in the 4Q. There's more room to improve than there is to get worse from here.

We're just going to disagree about the impact of no Theis the rest of the way. I hope you're right that the improvement on offense will outperform any drop in defense. We shall see.

The bigger question is why not wait till the offseason? Is the improvement in offense really worth spending the TPE on a possible rental?

I'm just not seeing it.

If we land a Drummond I might see things differently but right now I'm just seeing a turnstile down low.

And that's fair. I'm gonna stop short of saying that we won't miss him at all. He's generally been a good QB of the defense back there. So to an extent, yeah we'll miss him. I guess I'm just saying that we've been so inconsistent defensively on the perimeter anyway that has to get fixed first.

As for why not wait? Danny answered that question this morning too. Morale around the team sucked. He wanted to change the energy in the lockerroom. Sometimes new players can invigorate a lockerroom. Won't deny that this is a gamble for all of the reasons you've said and have been talked about. Danny just felt like guys were starting to hang their heads a bit too much and for the short term as much as the long term, Danny wants to keep the Jay's happy.

[BigTrade92]

When one thinks of bringing “hope” to a sinking pro basketball team, Evan Fournier definitely is the first player that comes to mind...good one Danny

Show us on the doll where Ainge and the Celtics hurt you.

Why exactly do you post here if all you do is cry like a baby back bitch on nearly every post? I can’t imagine this is fun for you. Even last year when they were good you were miserable.

First you show me on the doll where Ainge pleasured you...there must be grey hairs all over your shirt... To sit there and defend the guy after this offseason, season and deadline is the most homerish thing imaginable. The guy is a has-been who's done nothing to advance this roster into a contender since the Irving disaster.

Secondly, why exactly are you so concerned with my enjoyability over a "little engine that could" team that's been filled with "almost" for over 13 years and counting? You seem to hate that I have differing opinions and the fact that you're getting so triggered is fueling me. You're literally bitching and moaning about me bitching and moaning. It's hilarious.

[basketballRob]

The idea is that Fournier makes much more sense than Theis to pay a 3/4 year deal at $13-17M salary.

Fournier probably costs a few more M per year than Theis (I think Peoplé her vastly over estimate how much he’ll get), but that speaks to the nature of the league. Talented offensive players that are Wing sized are at a premium.

It’s really dumb to be paying non elite centers significant money. Id rather not spend $30M on the Platoon of Theis TT and Rob and put that money on the wing depth instead. It’s easy as hell to find cheap bigs to put in rotation (Baynes Theis Kanter) but we haven’t had a cheap good wing since..Gerald Green?

I think he'll sign a reasonable deal next season. The only reason he got the 17m is that it was the year the cap went way up and Biyombo and Mozgov were getting 100m deals.

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Last week Danny was talking about not trading for players on expiring deals this season because so many teams have money to spend.

That makes me think that someone's gonna overpay him.

A bunch of teams had cap space the last time he was a free agent and he quickly signed a reasonable deal. He's not the type of guy that will just go out and take the biggest amount of money.

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[themoneyteam2]

When one thinks of bringing “hope” to a sinking pro basketball team, Evan Fournier definitely is the first player that comes to mind...good one Danny

Show us on the doll where Ainge and the Celtics hurt you.

Why exactly do you post here if all you do is cry like a baby back bitch on nearly every post? I can’t imagine this is fun for you. Even last year when they were good you were miserable.

First you show me on the doll where Ainge pleasured you...there must be grey hairs all over your shirt... To sit there and defend the guy after this offseason, season and deadline is the most homerish thing imaginable. The guy is a has-been who's done nothing to advance this roster into a contender since the Irving disaster.

Secondly, why exactly are you so concerned with my enjoyability over a "little engine that could" team that's been filled with "almost" for over 13 years and counting. You seem to hate that I have differing opinions and the fact that you're getting so triggered is fueling me. You're literally bitching and moaning about me bitching and moaning. It's hilarious.

I’ve been pretty clear in knocking Ainge for his terrible offseason and putting together this roster that only had 3 scoring options as of yesterday. He hasn’t done a good job since the Kyrie trade. So try again on that one and I’m also not an old man so swing and a miss strike two.

It’s just hilarious how you only post negative things and cry like a 7th grader on nearly every post about Ainge and the team. I can’t possibly imagine following this team is fun since you were **** miserable all year last year as well when they were actually good. I’m just looking out for your well-being since you love the doom and gloom.

At some point it’s time to grow up. Or you can keep posting and being miserable. Your choice.

[winsomme2]

Bro, it's been every game. Maybe not 80 points in the paint same but our defense is deplorable. It's been that way all year. Danny's hope is that Fournier helps with some of our well-documented 4th quarter offensive woes and that maybe we can finish some of those clutch games that we have let slip all year. Well the Theis move was made to keep us under the tax. You know that. Basically, they sacrificed some defense to get hopefully much better offensively in the short term. Danny felt this team needed some new energy so there we have it. Put it this way we are 23rd ranked in DefEff, 27th in OppPPG in the 4Q. There's more room to improve than there is to get worse from here.

We're just going to disagree about the impact of no Theis the rest of the way. I hope you're right that the improvement on offense will outperform any drop in defense. We shall see.

The bigger question is why not wait till the offseason? Is the improvement in offense really worth spending the TPE on a possible rental?

I'm just not seeing it.

If we land a Drummond I might see things differently but right now I'm just seeing a turnstile down low.

And that's fair. I'm gonna stop short of saying that we won't miss him at all. He's generally been a good QB of the defense back there. So to an extent, yeah we'll miss him. I guess I'm just saying that we've been so inconsistent defensively on the perimeter anyway that has to get fixed first.

As for why not wait? Danny answered that question this morning too. Morale around the team sucked. He wanted to change the energy in the lockerroom. Sometimes new players can invigorate a lockerroom. Won't deny that this is a gamble for all of the reasons you've said and have been talked about. Danny just felt like guys were starting to hang their heads a bit too much and for the short term as much as the long term, Danny wants to keep the Jay's happy.

Listen it will be very enjoyable to see an actual scorer taking shots that used to be jacked up by Semi, Grant, and even Marcus. I am in favor of Fournier as an addition. Not to mention the fact that he absolutely kills us when he plays against us.

And I realize what Danny said about team morale. I guess what I'm saying is I don't really see the downside of the Js being bummed out the rest of the season. I mean if they are that fragile that they can't survive a rough season then they aren't the guys to build around anyway...and I think in terms of actually putting together a legit contender (something that would really increase morale) the better moves were gonna be available in the off season...

[sportfan6197]

Because they want to be a good team when?

Your whole point about Theis is why pay the tax because the team ISN'T good.

I'm not arguing against making sound financial decisions but the Theis move obliterates our interior defense which was already a huge weakness.

It's like not eating dinner because you're not hungry but then eating a whole cake....I thought you weren't hungry.

Fournier is a nice player and we got him for a song but his salary is so high that it forced us to get rid of our only reliable big.

Unless there's another move coming, we are going to get absolutely destroyed in the middle. So if the move to get Fournier is to make us better, I'm not seeing it. Not because of Fournier but because of Theis.

If maintaining the future tax situation was the goal, then just play out the season, play the youngs to increase their value, and save the TPE for the off season.

Don't eat the whole cake if you said you weren't hungry....That's all I'm saying

The idea is that Fournier makes much more sense than Theis to pay a 3/4 year deal at $13-17M salary.

Fournier probably costs a few more M per year than Theis (I think Peoplé her vastly over estimate how much he’ll get), but that speaks to the nature of the league. Talented offensive players that are Wing sized are at a premium.

It’s really dumb to be paying non elite centers significant money. Id rather not spend $30M on the Platoon of Theis TT and Rob and put that money on the wing depth instead. It’s easy as hell to find cheap bigs to put in rotation (Baynes Theis Kanter) but we haven’t had a cheap good wing since..Gerald Green?

But you're forgetting that teams have tons of money to spend in the off season. There's absolutely no guarantee we're keeping Fournier for anything more than a rental.

Also, we are gonna get killed in the middle. Absolutely killed.

Again, I like Fournier and I agree that reliable scoring wings are at a premium but the interior defense of this team is IMO gonna make it hard to feel good about that.

Hope I'm wrong.

Of course there's no guarantee he's here next year. People are acting like we wasted the TPE on a surefire rental.

Fournier might cost $20M a year, but we have his bird rights which inherently gives us an advantage to offer him a contract before FA and offer more years than anyone else. Of course if some team decides to throw $30M at him he's gone, but I find it difficult to believe he gets that kind of contract.

Jeff Green was also an expiring FA when he came here who had only played 25 games with us before entering FA as an unrestricted FA in 2012. We resigned him twice.

[BigTrade92]

Show us on the doll where Ainge and the Celtics hurt you.

Why exactly do you post here if all you do is cry like a baby back bitch on nearly every post? I can’t imagine this is fun for you. Even last year when they were good you were miserable.

First you show me on the doll where Ainge pleasured you...there must be grey hairs all over your shirt... To sit there and defend the guy after this offseason, season and deadline is the most homerish thing imaginable. The guy is a has-been who's done nothing to advance this roster into a contender since the Irving disaster.

Secondly, why exactly are you so concerned with my enjoyability over a "little engine that could" team that's been filled with "almost" for over 13 years and counting. You seem to hate that I have differing opinions and the fact that you're getting so triggered is fueling me. You're literally bitching and moaning about me bitching and moaning. It's hilarious.

I’ve been pretty clear in knocking Ainge for his terrible offseason and putting together this roster that only had 3 scoring options as of yesterday. He hasn’t done a good job since the Kyrie trade. So try again on that one and I’m also not an old man so swing and a miss strike two.

It’s just hilarious how you only post negative things and cry like a 7th grader on nearly every post about Ainge and the team. I can’t possibly imagine following this team is fun since you were **** miserable all year last year as well when they were actually good. I’m just looking out for your well-being since you love the doom and gloom.

At some point it’s time to grow up. Or you can keep posting and being miserable. Your choice.

It's even more hilarious just how mad and serious you're getting over another person's enjoyment factor.

Is calling me swears and school yard names supposed to intimidate me or "look out for my well-being"? Bro finish up your clown facepaint if that's your goal, cause it ain't working. I'll post in any tone I very well damn please and I hope you get this triggered each time my attitude isn't to your specific liking. Take a hike now.

[sportfan6197]

I think he'll sign a reasonable deal next season. The only reason he got the 17m is that it was the year the cap went way up and Biyombo and Mozgov were getting 100m deals.

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Last week Danny was talking about not trading for players on expiring deals this season because so many teams have money to spend.

That makes me think that someone's gonna overpay him.

A bunch of teams had cap space the last time he was a free agent and he quickly signed a reasonable deal. He's not the type of guy that will just go out and take the biggest amount of money.

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I mean, I don't necessarily think he's going to take a discount for us, but I think we'll probably have the chance to match any contract. i dont think anyone is gonna pay him $27M or something crazy like that as a 4th starter.

[zoyathedestroya]

The more I think about it, the Theis trade was really a cheapskate move to pacify ownership. I would have waived a stretched Tristan Thompson, Maybe Ainge did not want to offend Klutch Sports. I don't think Mo Wagner can come close to providing the rim protection, pick setting and other unselfish things that Theis did. Maybe Wagner can become a fan favorite if he plays hard, but he won't do the other things nearly as well as Theis. Plus he's even more foul prone than Theis.

Had they waived TT it would have cost the Celtics his "dead money" for three years plus what it would have taken to resign Theis (I'm guessing $10-12M). But from a basketball standpoint, Theis vs TT is no contest.

It appears they have no plan of re-signing Theis at all, even at MLE money (due to potential tax bill next season). Thompson at MLE is the insurance for next season. Timelord is the center for the immediate future. And they'll just pick up a third string C in the offseason who are now easy to come by. I think they know Kemba won't be easy to move even in the offseason and that there's a good chance they can re-sign Fournier. Otherwise they wouldn't have traded for an expiring. So they're projecting a substantial payroll. I just wish they'd gotten more for him, but just about everyone was had for cheap in a supposed sellers' market so it is what it is.

Wagner is more Jerebko than Theis in terms of impact. I don't imagine him playing significant minutes for us. Grant will have an increased role the rest of the season, as much as fans hate it.

[jonige94]

We were so close guys.

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[GotDaSauce]

- Kornet is driving from Chicago to meet the Celtics in Milwaukee today.

I lol'd more than i should have

That dedication deserves a starting role!!!

[zoyathedestroya]

Maybe we can sell Fournier on our "winning culture" haha. Imagine going from an always-8th seed Orlando Magic and get traded to... an 8th seed lol.

[CelticsPride18]

If Ainge signs Drummond I’m going to be so mad. Just play Robert Williams