Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season)

[CelticsPride18]

I think you guys are fooling yourselves if you think any of smart/Tatum/brown/Horford/white/Brogdan/timelord will be moved. If we do anything it will be with the Grant/Pritchard/Muscala/Hauser contracts.

The most likely move is something small for grant (s&t)/Pritchard and roll with what we have, the most talented roster in the league.

Get Joe some vet assistant coaches and run it back with Gallo.

I think they will try to move Brogdon

[playa-hater]

I think you guys are fooling yourselves if you think any of smart/Tatum/brown/Horford/white/Brogdan/timelord will be moved. If we do anything it will be with the Grant/Pritchard/Muscala/Hauser contracts.

The most likely move is something small for grant (s&t)/Pritchard and roll with what we have, the most talented roster in the league.

Get Joe some vet assistant coaches and run it back with Gallo.

I think they will try to move Brogdon

that makes sense.. Trade the one player who was tops in the NBA in 3 point shooting for a team that wants only 3 point shooting.. #Celticway

[zoyathedestroya]

I like our guys.

[ajones9219]

I think you guys are fooling yourselves if you think any of smart/Tatum/brown/Horford/white/Brogdan/timelord will be moved. If we do anything it will be with the Grant/Pritchard/Muscala/Hauser contracts.

The most likely move is something small for grant (s&t)/Pritchard and roll with what we have, the most talented roster in the league.

Get Joe some vet assistant coaches and run it back with Gallo.

I think they will try to move Brogdon

He was our most consistent player and best shooter for a lot of the year. No shot he is moved imo

[jonige94]

When is Brad gonna say something?

Arent we supposed to have exit interviews?

[ajones9219]

I think you guys are fooling yourselves if you think any of smart/Tatum/brown/Horford/white/Brogdan/timelord will be moved. If we do anything it will be with the Grant/Pritchard/Muscala/Hauser contracts.

The most likely move is something small for grant (s&t)/Pritchard and roll with what we have, the most talented roster in the league.

Get Joe some vet assistant coaches and run it back with Gallo.

I think they will try to move Brogdon

that makes sense.. Trade the one player who was tops in the NBA in 3 point shooting for a team that wants only 3 point shooting.. #Celticway

I like Grant and would love him to stay but not for 20 million when we have a better shooter coming in to replace him for 7

[Bad-Thoma]

This is my first post since the giant let down, I hope the piss and vinegar aren't simmering quite as high by now.

I don't have a real target in mind yet but we basically have 2 back up centers in Rob and Al, Al because he is slowing down and Rob because he can't play starters minutes. They both are paid like back-ups and with Rob's upside when he is healthy he is likely way higher in value to another team that wants to gamble on him staying healthy. We have two great two way wings in Tatum and Brown, Tatum is untouchable to me and Brown can probably net a great return. We have 3 really good combo guards in Marcus, White, and Brogdon.

I think the 3 guard combo of Marcus, White and Brogdon aren't the problem, that's actually a pretty strong group. I think Tatum and Brown are a little redundant and Tatum is by far the superior player. Paying them both supermax deals will put this team on a treadmill, a really good treadmill but still really hard to improve upon. So my thinking is one of Horford or Rob combined with Brown and we try to strike gold for a frontcourt star that better compliments Tatum. The other thought for me is one of the 3 combo guards, Brown, and one of Horford or RW to add a star back court player and a good starting center. One good asset is Payton, not so much because he valuable in a trade but I think he has shown he can play more regular season minutes if we need to move one of the top 3 back court guys. He could be a needle moving addition to a trade though as he has shown strong flashes and is on a cheap deal still.

Before anyone calls me a hater on any of these guys let me just say, "get f**ked". I like them all and am pretty disappointed for them that the season ended the way it did. I don't think Brad should sit on his hands though, and I think keeping Brown on a supermax is essentially zip tying his hands and then sitting on them, not because he isn't a star but because he isn't a star fit with Tatum. If I have strong feelings about one thing it's that we can't go into next season starting Al and playing him big minutes, he was pretty awful in the conference finals defensively. I do love his fit at 10m per year as a 15-20 min backup center though, he just can't get run into the ground before it really matters.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Forget Simons, I want to do Jaylen for Sharpe/3 with a Jerami Grant sign and trade. Then flip 3 with one of Smart/White/Brogdon for an upgrade.

White should be untouchable!

Why? If you could flip White/3 for Zach Lavine and run out Smart/Zach/Tatum/Jerami/Al with Brogdon, Sharpe, Gallo, Hauser, Rob off the bench...? That's the absolute best case scenario, that's a better team than this year's group.

[Curmudgeon]

They've tried for 6 straight years putting various supporting casts around Tatum, Brown and Smart and they haven't won. It's time for a change.

[Celts17Pride]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/boston-celtics-land-karl-anthony-towns-in-a-much-needed-trade-scenario-and-create-a-big-three-this-summer/ar-AA1bWhvY?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=ffcfe4ec6c4d4f9b8305b91eedf75fb3&ei=6

Fake trade #2021

Boston Celtics Receive: Karl-Anthony Towns

Minnesota Timberwolves Receive: Marcus Smart, Robert Williams, Derrick White, 2024 First-Round Pick, 2026 First-Round Pick

Replace Brogdon with one of Smart/White and I would give it some thought.

[The Corey's]

Smart literally said in his post game that his job this summer is to practice his shooting so the team has more avenues to pass so.

Smart is literally telling you that he HAS TO SHOOT MORE.

You can't just get better at shooting by practicing as you're pushing 30. You are who you are at this point. It's a gift that few people on earth have, if repetition is the only thing that matters than everyone in the league would be great at shooting.

Wtf!!!! Lol
He has been criticized for his lack of shooting for years, and now he tells us that its his main priority this off season??!
What a clown! I agree. Its either you have it or not.

only clown here is the Smaht hate club leaders. If you think Mahcus is the reason why we haven't taken that next step, then your not watching these games! White picked it up a bit over the last few games, but he was nowhere to be found when we were down 3-0.... Draymond and Barkley nailed it, we're a soft bunch and when the lights are bright, our All NBA guys disappear... And our coach is AMATEUR HOUR on the sidelines, they better bring in a proven vet that can scoop up Joes job when he is eventually let go...

Lol. Smart sucks.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Ime thing looks like a big overreaction. Squeaky clean, zero-tolerance, Princeton Wyc, Wholesome Brad and the Boston Pilgrims.

Why? Because other teams don't care. Brooklyn, Toronto, Houston wanted him. His own assistants don't care, they're leaving for Texas. The players don't care, they don't even understand.

And every front office who looked into it comes away saying that Ime didn't do anything to keep him from coaching again.

They could've suspended him half a season. Why didn't they?

[Andrew McCeltic]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/boston-celtics-land-karl-anthony-towns-in-a-much-needed-trade-scenario-and-create-a-big-three-this-summer/ar-AA1bWhvY?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=ffcfe4ec6c4d4f9b8305b91eedf75fb3&ei=6

Fake trade #2021

Boston Celtics Receive: Karl-Anthony Towns

Minnesota Timberwolves Receive: Marcus Smart, Robert Williams, Derrick White, 2024 First-Round Pick, 2026 First-Round Pick

Replace Brogdon with one of Smart/White and I would give it some thought.

Towns is soft and you end up with too many basketballs and too few quarterbacks with that trade. But there's probably a path to get Towns that works. Maybe keep Rob in the bargain, maybe follow up with a Jaylen deal.

Minny's stuck with Gobert, lot of people there love Naz Reid, they're ready to build around Edwards...

[Lee Van Cleef]

Ime thing looks like a big overreaction. Squeaky clean, zero-tolerance, Princeton Wyc, Wholesome Brad and the Boston Pilgrims.

Why? Because other teams don't care. Brooklyn, Toronto, Houston wanted him. His own assistants don't care, they're leaving for Texas. The players don't care, they don't even understand.

And every front office who looked into it comes away saying that Ime didn't do anything to keep him from coaching again.

They could've suspended him half a season. Why didn't they?

My guess is, she must have been the wife of someone important.

[Celts17Pride]

I think the 3 guard combo of Marcus, White and Brogdon aren't the problem, that's actually a pretty strong group.

I personally disagree. I think it's a waste of resources.

Smart/White/Brogdon - $59.5 million
Smart/White/Pritchard - $41.0 million

In my opinon, I just don't think you are getting the productivity justified for $18.5 million. Celtics went to the Finals with Pritchard playing. Celtics didn't go to the Finals with Brogdon.

I'm not saying Pritchard is a better player than Brogdon. I'm just saying the resources could be put to better use in my opinion.

[Celts17Pride]

Ime thing looks like a big overreaction. Squeaky clean, zero-tolerance, Princeton Wyc, Wholesome Brad and the Boston Pilgrims.

Not knowing the full details it's totally ridiculous for you to say this.

[Bad-Thoma]

I think the 3 guard combo of Marcus, White and Brogdon aren't the problem, that's actually a pretty strong group.

I personally disagree. I think it's a waste of resources.

Smart/White/Brogdon - $59.5 million
Smart/White/Pritchard - $41.0 million

In my opinon, I just don't think you are getting the productivity justified for $18.5 million. Celtics went to the Finals with Pritchard playing. Celtics didn't go to the Finals with Brogdon.

I'm not saying Pritchard is a better player than Brogdon. I'm just saying the resources could be put to better use in my opinion.

I get that and that's why I added trading one of them as an option. I see upgrading center as a much bigger need though and am worried about getting locked into Jaylen at the supermax so it's not as high a priority.

[The Corey's]

Ime thing looks like a big overreaction. Squeaky clean, zero-tolerance, Princeton Wyc, Wholesome Brad and the Boston Pilgrims.

Not knowing the full details it's totally ridiculous for you to say this.

So the fact that Ime hasn't been sued, hasn't been accused of a crime, the fact that not only does Houston not care but the staff members who worked UNDER him but also his players still go to bat for him isn't enough?

We don't know what happened but all those guys do. They're fine with it.

We know he was fired due to shifting culture beliefs and the power dynamics of bosses banging their staff but really at the end of the day it doesn't feel like anything nefurious happened. Looks like some organizatios can live with it and others can't.

[Hal14]

They've tried for 6 straight years putting various supporting casts around Tatum, Brown and Smart and they haven't won. It's time for a change.

lol not really. This was only the 2nd year that those 3 guys have been THE core of the team, with supporting pieces around them.

The year before that, Brown was out for the playoffs - and we still had Kemba on a max contract, as a core piece (who couldn't defend to save his life).

Before that we had some combination of Kemba/Kyrie/Hayward/IT as a core piece, with the Jays not yet in their prime and Smart was merely a supporting piece.

Over the past 2 years, we went to the NBA finals (the first 2 years of Tatum/Brown's prime) we went to the NBA finals and came up just 1 game short of the NBA finals - both times with a rookie head coach... That's pretty darn good!

Look, the Jays are still young. Their average age is 25.5 right now. If you look at the last 18 teams to win a title and look at the average age of each team's 2 best players, here's what we see...

-Youngest pairing = average age of 26, which is older than Tatum and Brown right now (2015 warriors, with Curry and Klay)
-Average age of the 18 pairings = 29.4, which is much older than the Jays are right now

The window to win titles starts next season.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Ime thing looks like a big overreaction. Squeaky clean, zero-tolerance, Princeton Wyc, Wholesome Brad and the Boston Pilgrims.

Not knowing the full details it's totally ridiculous for you to say this.

Quote the rest of my post. Lot to suggest it’s true.

And our FO is exactly the type to be straitlaced. Which is definitely better than not caring! To be clear. Dallas, Phoenix, Sterling, Isaiah’s tenure at MSG.. lot of teams look the other way. But half a season looks now like it would’ve been proportionate to the offense.