Trade Ideas Thread

[Captain_Caveman]

I don't want to trade Rondo, but here's a Rondo trade idea I saw on Celticsblog- that I actually like if Ainge decides we are moving on from Rondo.
Only hard part is getting salaries outgoing from Charlotte to match- they would probably have to gain a trade exception.

Charlotte gets:
*Jeff Green (expiring)
*Josh Smith
*Clippers pick (owned by Celtics)
*Detroit 2015 first round pick

Detroit gets:
*Rondo (expiring)
*Bismack Biyombo (expiring)
*Gerald Henderson


Celtics get:
*Vonleh
*MKG
*Jonas Jerebko
*Gary Neal


Why?

Detroit: dumps Josh Smith and gets Rondo for 10 months to play with Drummond+Monroe. Jennings is an expensive 6th man or SG but you're moving Smith cheaply.

Charlotte: gets rim protecting power forward and scorer in Smith. They've now got 3 very solid players and are a legitimate playoff threat with their main guys signed long term. Very strong defensively.
Green is nice upgrade and they are almost like a poor mans Detroit Pistons championship team with 4 very strong 'almost All Star' level guys.

Celtics: we get some value back for Rondo and Green before they hit the open market, and get a very good piece in Vonleh. Kidd Gilchrist is a semi-bust so far but is a solid young bench replacement for Jeff Green while we develop James Young and gives Evan Turner some strong competition for the starting SF spot. We'd have to spend a lot of time on MKG fixing his shooting....either way, Kidd Gilchrist is a semi valuable trade asset.
Leaves us with:

PG: Smart/ Pressey
SG: Bradley/Thornton
SF: Turner/MKG/Young
PF:Sullinger/Olynyk
C: Vonleh/Zeller/

Guaranteed top 5 draft pick and still have all our Brooklyn picks.

Not a chance we get that much for Rondo and Green lol.

[BRUNiNHO91]

In what world are Noah friggin Vonleh and MKG 'that much' for Rondo and Green?

[robbie84]

I don't want to trade Rondo, but here's a Rondo trade idea I saw on Celticsblog- that I actually like if Ainge decides we are moving on from Rondo.
Only hard part is getting salaries outgoing from Charlotte to match- they would probably have to gain a trade exception.

Charlotte gets:
*Jeff Green (expiring)
*Josh Smith
*Clippers pick (owned by Celtics)
*Detroit 2015 first round pick

Detroit gets:
*Rondo (expiring)
*Bismack Biyombo (expiring)
*Gerald Henderson


Celtics get:
*Vonleh
*MKG
*Jonas Jerebko
*Gary Neal


Why?

Detroit: dumps Josh Smith and gets Rondo for 10 months to play with Drummond+Monroe. Jennings is an expensive 6th man or SG but you're moving Smith cheaply.

Charlotte: gets rim protecting power forward and scorer in Smith. They've now got 3 very solid players and are a legitimate playoff threat with their main guys signed long term. Very strong defensively.
Green is nice upgrade and they are almost like a poor mans Detroit Pistons championship team with 4 very strong 'almost All Star' level guys.

Celtics: we get some value back for Rondo and Green before they hit the open market, and get a very good piece in Vonleh. Kidd Gilchrist is a semi-bust so far but is a solid young bench replacement for Jeff Green while we develop James Young and gives Evan Turner some strong competition for the starting SF spot. We'd have to spend a lot of time on MKG fixing his shooting....either way, Kidd Gilchrist is a semi valuable trade asset.
Leaves us with:

PG: Smart/ Pressey
SG: Bradley/Thornton
SF: Turner/MKG/Young
PF:Sullinger/Olynyk
C: Vonleh/Zeller/

Guaranteed top 5 draft pick and still have all our Brooklyn picks.

Not a chance we get that much for Rondo and Green lol.

I think it's closer than you think. The Hornets are in win now mode. Vonleh is probably a few years away from being a solid starting NBA player. Remember they're getting Jeff Green too which makes them arguably a competitor with the Wizards in a 7 game series. Look at:

Walker
Lance Stephenson
Jeff Green
Josh Smith
Big Al

and they also get 2 first round picks.

MKG isn't that valuable, Jerebko is worthless, Gary Neal is worthless (expiring). The prize is Vonleh.

Yeah Rondo is expiring (so is Green essentially) but the Pistons are able to get rid of Smith by giving up a first round pick. We could also give them Gerald Wallace with Rondo but that's hard to see happening from the Pistons point of view.

The team that we'd have the hardest time convincing would be Charlotte, but MJ really wants to make the team a winner ASAP which is why they MIGHT bite. haha.

[robbie84]

In what world are Noah friggin Vonleh and MKG 'that much' for Rondo and Green?

Jeff Green doesn't have that much trade value because of his contract situation I guess. Otherwise we would have moved him already. Rondo's an All Star, but he's an expiring All Star who's yet to prove he can play at the same level he once did, so his value is at an all time low too.
I can see where he's coming from.
The catch here is that by giving both teams what they want in..
Charlotte: adds two significant playoff veterans for perhaps their best ever season under MJ's ownership.
Detroit: moves out of Josh Smith's contract but also gets Rondo passing to Monroe and Drummond for a season, also with the bird rights to sign him to a maximum extension if wanted.
Celtics: lose Rondo but if we are making this trade we've already decided that it's a youth movement and we are getting back an excellent prospect in 18 year old Noah Vonleh.

[celticslife3424]

ay 12:57 am by celticslife3424
First off for the Celtics they are not going to trade Rondo just because its to get free agents here as it is and he's the only marketable and us the face of the Celtics.

But if they were to I think OKC is a good trade partner.
Here the trade
Celtics get
Perkins
Adams
Jackson

OKC get
Rondo
Faverani
trade works by the way I think this a great trade OKC would be the best team and will have no problem with Spurs or Cavs agree or disagree

[Captain_Caveman]

Guess we will have to agree to disagree. We wouldn't even get MKG for Rondo and Green, IMO.

[cl2117]

I think it's closer than you think.

Go suggest that trade in the trades and transactions forum and see how "close" it really is. Charlotte fans will lose their ****.

There is no way they consider that deal. If you disagree propose it to them and see if they think you are even remotely close to fair value. If you can find a Hornets fan that says it's a fair deal I will bookmark this page and come back and and1 your post every single time I come to this website.

[Gurton Buster]

ay 12:57 am by celticslife3424
First off for the Celtics they are not going to trade Rondo just because its to get free agents here as it is and he's the only marketable and us the face of the Celtics.

But if they were to I think OKC is a good trade partner.
Here the trade
Celtics get
Perkins
Adams
Jackson

OKC get
Rondo
Faverani
trade works by the way I think this a great trade OKC would be the best team and will have no problem with Spurs or Cavs agree or disagree

No. Why do we care to help OKC become the best team? That trade takes us backwards


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[BRUNiNHO91]

In what world are Noah friggin Vonleh and MKG 'that much' for Rondo and Green?

Jeff Green doesn't have that much trade value because of his contract situation I guess. Otherwise we would have moved him already. Rondo's an All Star, but he's an expiring All Star who's yet to prove he can play at the same level he once did, so his value is at an all time low too.
I can see where he's coming from.
The catch here is that by giving both teams what they want in..
Charlotte: adds two significant playoff veterans for perhaps their best ever season under MJ's ownership.
Detroit: moves out of Josh Smith's contract but also gets Rondo passing to Monroe and Drummond for a season, also with the bird rights to sign him to a maximum extension if wanted.
Celtics: lose Rondo but if we are making this trade we've already decided that it's a youth movement and we are getting back an excellent prospect in 18 year old Noah Vonleh.

The way I break this trade down is you're pretty much trading Rondo for Vonleh and Mkg, which is decent value for an expiring Rondo coming off ACL. Even though I personally would never do that deal as I think both guys have an above average chance at being busts, at least you can fool people with the 'potential' crap. The problem here is you're inserting our second best player in the deal for Jonas and Gary Neal. That's awful. Unless you think Jeff is a salary dump guy, which I strongly disagree with, I'd rather offer Rondo to the Lakers for Randle and keep our starting SF. Danny Ainge didnt pull the trigger on Green for Asik, I highly doubt he would just give him away for two worthless guys.

[Andrew McCeltic]

So what's going to crop up in the rumor mill now?

Bledsoe is on the sign and trade market..
IND wanted a better point guard but now is looking to move Hibbert..
CLE needs a rim protector
We have a bunch of expirings, the Rondo/Smart problem, 18 guys on roster, also need a rim protector.
SAC is desperate to get better, wants Rondo and Josh Smith
DET has to move Smith or play him at the 4 to rehab his trade stock..
MIN wants to dump Barea, their board wants a rebounding power forward..


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[robbie84]

In what world are Noah friggin Vonleh and MKG 'that much' for Rondo and Green?

Jeff Green doesn't have that much trade value because of his contract situation I guess. Otherwise we would have moved him already. Rondo's an All Star, but he's an expiring All Star who's yet to prove he can play at the same level he once did, so his value is at an all time low too.
I can see where he's coming from.
The catch here is that by giving both teams what they want in..
Charlotte: adds two significant playoff veterans for perhaps their best ever season under MJ's ownership.
Detroit: moves out of Josh Smith's contract but also gets Rondo passing to Monroe and Drummond for a season, also with the bird rights to sign him to a maximum extension if wanted.
Celtics: lose Rondo but if we are making this trade we've already decided that it's a youth movement and we are getting back an excellent prospect in 18 year old Noah Vonleh.

The way I break this trade down is you're pretty much trading Rondo for Vonleh and Mkg, which is decent value for an expiring Rondo coming off ACL. Even though I personally would never do that deal as I think both guys have an above average chance at being busts, at least you can fool people with the 'potential' crap. The problem here is you're inserting our second best player in the deal for Jonas and Gary Neal. That's awful. Unless you think Jeff is a salary dump guy, which I strongly disagree with, I'd rather offer Rondo to the Lakers for Randle and keep our starting SF. Danny Ainge didnt pull the trigger on Green for Asik, I highly doubt he would just give him away for two worthless guys.

The second best player is Green but the best asset in the deal is arguably Vonleh. You also say that Ainge didn't pull the trigger on Green for Asik but the way I understand it, Morey was the one who didn't want Green, not the other way around. Green's like an expiring contract because of his contract. Rondo's expiring. You're giving up two expirings and a late first rounder for an elite 18 year old prospect with size and length and a mediocre/meh prospect in MKG who might somehow become a decent player with a change of scenery and some shooting coaching.

[BRUNiNHO91]

The second best player is Green but the best asset in the deal is arguably Vonleh. You also say that Ainge didn't pull the trigger on Green for Asik but the way I understand it, Morey was the one who didn't want Green, not the other way around. Green's like an expiring contract because of his contract. Rondo's expiring. You're giving up two expirings and a late first rounder for an elite 18 year old prospect with size and length and a mediocre/meh prospect in MKG who might somehow become a decent player with a change of scenery and some shooting coaching.

Mehh. This would be like trading last year's version of Kelly Olynyk and Avery Bradley for somebody like Marc Gasol, have Memphis put Courtney Lee in the deal just for fun and see a Memphis fan say there's no way they can get 'that much'.

[Captain_Caveman]

Jeff Green doesn't have that much trade value because of his contract situation I guess. Otherwise we would have moved him already. Rondo's an All Star, but he's an expiring All Star who's yet to prove he can play at the same level he once did, so his value is at an all time low too.
I can see where he's coming from.
The catch here is that by giving both teams what they want in..
Charlotte: adds two significant playoff veterans for perhaps their best ever season under MJ's ownership.
Detroit: moves out of Josh Smith's contract but also gets Rondo passing to Monroe and Drummond for a season, also with the bird rights to sign him to a maximum extension if wanted.
Celtics: lose Rondo but if we are making this trade we've already decided that it's a youth movement and we are getting back an excellent prospect in 18 year old Noah Vonleh.

The way I break this trade down is you're pretty much trading Rondo for Vonleh and Mkg, which is decent value for an expiring Rondo coming off ACL. Even though I personally would never do that deal as I think both guys have an above average chance at being busts, at least you can fool people with the 'potential' crap. The problem here is you're inserting our second best player in the deal for Jonas and Gary Neal. That's awful. Unless you think Jeff is a salary dump guy, which I strongly disagree with, I'd rather offer Rondo to the Lakers for Randle and keep our starting SF. Danny Ainge didnt pull the trigger on Green for Asik, I highly doubt he would just give him away for two worthless guys.

The second best player is Green but the best asset in the deal is arguably Vonleh. You also say that Ainge didn't pull the trigger on Green for Asik but the way I understand it, Morey was the one who didn't want Green, not the other way around. Green's like an expiring contract because of his contract. Rondo's expiring. You're giving up two expirings and a late first rounder for an elite 18 year old prospect with size and length and a mediocre/meh prospect in MKG who might somehow become a decent player with a change of scenery and some shooting coaching.

We didn't trade for Asik because the deal died at the ownership level, according to Morey. I also think it was Bass, not Green. But these are still wild overestimations of our guys worth. I would be shocked if we got a top 10 pick for Rondo. As for Green, he's actually less valuable than an expiring because he would opt in if he tore his ACL or something similar. If Ainge could get MKG for either one of those guys plus a late pick, he'd probably drive them to the airport himself IMO.

[NBA Fiend]

Once again the rondo/Bledsoe rumors are floating around. What are your thought on this? Smart, Bradley and Bledsoe, oh my.

[15th overall]

Once again the rondo/Bledsoe rumors are floating around. What are your thought on this? Smart, Bradley and Bledsoe, oh my.

What exactly are you talking about? Links appreciated.

[KGboss]

Once again the rondo/Bledsoe rumors are floating around. What are your thought on this? Smart, Bradley and Bledsoe, oh my.

What exactly are you talking about? Links appreciated.

Yes, what rumors? I havent seen anything about a Bledsoe for Rondo swap.

Makes no sense honestly. Bledsoe has a knee now with an expiration date, and will never be the player he once was since he removed that tendon.

This is why he is not getting the money from Phoenix as he would without that issue...

This is not a problem i would want to deal with for the celtics if i was Ainge.

[SMTBSI]

This has probably been brought up already, but why don't we just send Bass and Anthony to OKC for Perk and a 2nd or something?

Sure, it's kind of a white flag trade for us, since Bass does have some value, but he just doesn't have a place on our team. So we do OKC a solid by letting them turn Perk into an actual productive big in Bass, and we swap a superfluous player at a position we're overloaded (PF) for a superfluous player at a position we're not (C). We're also doing Bass a solid by sending him to a contender.

Everyone involved is an expiring contract, the money's about the same.


Sure we're not really getting anything out of a it but a probably crappy 2nd or two, but it's a goodwill building trade, plus clears up the minutes logjam at PF. (It also shaves about a million off the cap for us this year, which is not a terrible thing to do with how close to the tax we are - gives us a tiny bit more flexibility if something comes up. Also clears a roster spot.)

[Andrew McCeltic]

Why does OKC want to dump Perkins when he's in the last year of his deal? Is he not serviceable, is Adams really ready?

I think you're right, though, that some of our expirings may be dealt for a small score instead of a big one, just to clear a roster spot or two and tweak the rotation...

[ConstableGeneva]

I like that Bass-Anthony for Perkins trade. I just don't know if Brooks & co. are willing to let Perk go. They just value him too much there despite his shortcomings. If I'm OKC, I'd give those minutes to Adams, Collison, and Bass (Ibaka at C).

[SMTBSI]

Why does OKC want to dump Perkins when he's in the last year of his deal? Is he not serviceable, is Adams really ready?

Huh. I had the impression that OKC fans would be thrilled to move on from Perk, let alone get someone of moderate worth back for him. I didn't think he was still considered "serviceable" at this point. Maybe I'm wrong.

And Bass is in the last year of his deal too, so deal lengths are not a factor. Just, do you prefer one year of Bass over one year of Perk?

I think you're right, though, that some of our expirings may be dealt for a small score instead of a big one, just to clear a roster spot or two and tweak the rotation...

Yeah, I've given up on trying to contrive ways to add an impact player. Just trying to figure if there are any little housekeeping moves we can make to increase our flexibility moving forward.