Trade Thread 2017: Not Once, Not twice, But Thrice!

[FlatearthZorro]

Honestly guys I'm ready to move on from all the bigs on our roster outside of Horford. All of them, I wouldn't miss a single one of them. I'd rather us bringing Yabu and Zizi, signing a vet big to a short term contract(if we dont get a "star) while having Horford on the team. Maybe keep Mickey if Danny thinks the guy has any potential in the future(he's only in his 2nd year).

[cl2117]

Zach Lowe is claiming Hassan Whiteside is available.

https://www.google.com/amp/nesn.com/2017/01/nba-trade-rumors-no-heat-player-untouchable-not-even-hassan-whiteside/amp/?client=ms-android-att-us

To me Whiteside is up there behind Cousins and AD when it comes to centers. Heat will ask for something ridiculous.

I agree that they will ask for something ridiculous, but I wonder if their eagerness to tank might make them more willing to deal by the time we get to the deadline.

Besides BKN I see the Heat as the next best contender for the #1 pick (or at least best odds in the lottery). They've been doing a great job of tanking thus far, but if they move Dragic and Whiteside they are literally a D-league team and shouldn't have a problem bottoming out below BKN.

They'll still want a king's ransom, but I think there is a chance they price him much lower than Cousins/AD type guys who are realistically unavailable based on what their teams are asking for.

I'm going to dream tonight of Danny making deals for Butler and Whiteside at the same time.

Brown, BKN '17, MEM '19, Zeller for Butler, Felicio

Smart, BKN '18, LAC '19, BOS '20 Jerebko, Johnson for Whiteside

We end up with:
IT
Butler/Bradley
Crowder/Butler
Horford
Whiteside

Move one of Bradley/Crowder to be our super 6th man and we're pretty stacked. They'd both likely ask for more unfortunately, but I'll still have my dream.

[redbeamer]

Zach Lowe is claiming Hassan Whiteside is available.

https://www.google.com/amp/nesn.com/2017/01/nba-trade-rumors-no-heat-player-untouchable-not-even-hassan-whiteside/amp/?client=ms-android-att-us

To me Whiteside is up there behind Cousins and AD when it comes to centers. Heat will ask for something ridiculous.

I agree that they will ask for something ridiculous, but I wonder if their eagerness to tank might make them more willing to deal by the time we get to the deadline.

Besides BKN I see the Heat as the next best contender for the #1 pick (or at least best odds in the lottery). They've been doing a great job of tanking thus far, but if they move Dragic and Whiteside they are literally a D-league team and shouldn't have a problem bottoming out below BKN.

They'll still want a king's ransom, but I think there is a chance they price him much lower than Cousins/AD type guys who are realistically unavailable based on what their teams are asking for.

I'm going to dream tonight of Danny making deals for Butler and Whiteside at the same time.

Brown, BKN '17, MEM '19, Zeller for Butler, Felicio

Smart, BKN '18, LAC '19, BOS '20 Jerebko, Johnson for Whiteside

We end up with:
IT
Butler/Bradley
Crowder/Butler
Horford
Whiteside

Move one of Bradley/Crowder to be our super 6th man and we're pretty stacked. They'd both likely ask for more unfortunately, but I'll still have my dream.

I like it for the most part. I know I'm probably in the minority here but I'd rather send Bradley than Smart. I think AB has hit his ceiling and Smart will ultimately end up the better player.

Also, I'd really like to keep Brown if any way possible. I am up in the air whether he's going to be okay or really great. I see flashes but then he runs down the court and throws the ball out of bounds without being touched. I'd like to see where he's at next year but it's not a deal breaker for me.

[165bows]

I'd hope that I have earned enough credit to speak on this with some degree of authority by now.

It's all good info on GS, much of which has been solid. Doesn't mean the people in the GS locker room have a monopoly on knowledge.

Either way that made the difference, Nike or Draymond, it doesn't behoove Durant one single bit to say "hey, my shoe guys said to come over here and go to the Finals 5-6 times." Durant has been nothing but savvy so far in his career, of course he is going to make those guys feel like it was all about them.

As far as the buddy-buddy stuff goes, sounds like the honeymoon lasted as long as the marriage for Green.

Right on, but it's not "locker room" people. I just think the Nike thing is overstated, and something I never even heard mentioned. I mean, has anyone even come up with a way that they benefitted from him choosing GS over Boston?

From what I'd read the suggestion is that losing the unquestioned 'top dog' status as the dominant alpha company of the shoe market was very hard for Nike, having Curry being the most marketable (and title-winning) player.

It's a purely defensive move to avoid the possibility of Curry ripping off a bunch of titles making Nike look like second fiddle, is the thought process.

Obviously it's still not their ideal, but now they are pretty close to locked in to having one of their top 2 guys winning the Finals.

[CeltsfaninDC]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jtjecqg

PHI out: Noel, Okafor, Ilyasova, PHI17
PHI in: McCollum, Crowder, Olynyk

CHI out: Butler, Lopez
CHI in: Okafor, Brown, Ilyasova, Johnson, BKN17, BOS18

BOS out: Brown, Crowder, Olynyk, Johnson, BKN17, BOS18
BOS in: Butler, Lopez, Quarterman

POR out: McCollum, Quarterman
POR in: Noel, PHI17

how do you like that?

Wait....... a philly fan proposed this? I'm kind of surprised that you wouldn't expect more back from Noel and Okafor

[Writebloc]

It's all good info on GS, much of which has been solid. Doesn't mean the people in the GS locker room have a monopoly on knowledge.

Either way that made the difference, Nike or Draymond, it doesn't behoove Durant one single bit to say "hey, my shoe guys said to come over here and go to the Finals 5-6 times." Durant has been nothing but savvy so far in his career, of course he is going to make those guys feel like it was all about them.

As far as the buddy-buddy stuff goes, sounds like the honeymoon lasted as long as the marriage for Green.

Right on, but it's not "locker room" people. I just think the Nike thing is overstated, and something I never even heard mentioned. I mean, has anyone even come up with a way that they benefitted from him choosing GS over Boston?

From what I'd read the suggestion is that losing the unquestioned 'top dog' status as the dominant alpha company of the shoe market was very hard for Nike, having Curry being the most marketable (and title-winning) player.

It's a purely defensive move to avoid the possibility of Curry ripping off a bunch of titles making Nike look like second fiddle, is the thought process.

Obviously it's still not their ideal, but now they are pretty close to locked in to having one of their top 2 guys winning the Finals.

A little unrelated but still cogent to both of your conversation is the fact that Under Armor has taken a huge hit this year as far as their stock value goes. This clearly isn't all on Durant moving to Golden State, but it is interesting to see the dynamics develop on that team especially how Curry has "settled" into being a second tier star on his own team. An unintended consequence of the Durant signing is that Curry has lost a bit of his luster. I'm not saying he's lost any ability, but he definitely isn't in the MVP discussion this year when for the past two years he has been considered transcendent. At this point in the season, taking into account the Christmas game collapse, and the most recent failure to Memphis, it appears that the Warriors still are trying to figure some things out despite their stellar won/loss record. If Nike didn't force Durant to San Francisco, which I don't think they did - apparently Durant attended the Superbowl last year in the Bay area and that was his watershed moment - Nike is certainly reaping the benefits of Durant's decision. I wonder if in the end that Golden State will benefit as much as Nike?

[cl2117]

To me Whiteside is up there behind Cousins and AD when it comes to centers. Heat will ask for something ridiculous.

I agree that they will ask for something ridiculous, but I wonder if their eagerness to tank might make them more willing to deal by the time we get to the deadline.

Besides BKN I see the Heat as the next best contender for the #1 pick (or at least best odds in the lottery). They've been doing a great job of tanking thus far, but if they move Dragic and Whiteside they are literally a D-league team and shouldn't have a problem bottoming out below BKN.

They'll still want a king's ransom, but I think there is a chance they price him much lower than Cousins/AD type guys who are realistically unavailable based on what their teams are asking for.

I'm going to dream tonight of Danny making deals for Butler and Whiteside at the same time.

Brown, BKN '17, MEM '19, Zeller for Butler, Felicio

Smart, BKN '18, LAC '19, BOS '20 Jerebko, Johnson for Whiteside

We end up with:
IT
Butler/Bradley
Crowder/Butler
Horford
Whiteside

Move one of Bradley/Crowder to be our super 6th man and we're pretty stacked. They'd both likely ask for more unfortunately, but I'll still have my dream.

I like it for the most part. I know I'm probably in the minority here but I'd rather send Bradley than Smart. I think AB has hit his ceiling and Smart will ultimately end up the better player.

Also, I'd really like to keep Brown if any way possible. I am up in the air whether he's going to be okay or really great. I see flashes but then he runs down the court and throws the ball out of bounds without being touched. I'd like to see where he's at next year but it's not a deal breaker for me.

Swapping out Smart for Bradley is probably more realistic anyway as I've seen some Bulls fans suggest they'd like a package of Bradley, Brown, BKN '17. You'd then just swing the MEM '19 pick to MIA in the package for Whiteside.

Another thought I had was bringing Philly in for Okafor to head to MIA to replace Whiteside. He won't win them games, but still has potential to sell to their fans on the rebuild (with their top pick plus a BKN pick).

Brown, Bradley, BKN'17, LAC '19, Zeller to Chicago for Butler, Valentine, Felicio

Valentine, 2nds to Philly for Okafor

Okafor, BKN '18, MEM '19, BOS '20, Amir for Whiteside

Go with:
IT
Butler
Crowder
Horford
Whiteside

Smart off the bench as 6th man.

[BigSleep333]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jtjecqg

PHI out: Noel, Okafor, Ilyasova, PHI17
PHI in: McCollum, Crowder, Olynyk

CHI out: Butler, Lopez
CHI in: Okafor, Brown, Ilyasova, Johnson, BKN17, BOS18

BOS out: Brown, Crowder, Olynyk, Johnson, BKN17, BOS18
BOS in: Butler, Lopez, Quarterman

POR out: McCollum, Quarterman
POR in: Noel, PHI17

how do you like that?

Wait....... a philly fan proposed this? I'm kind of surprised that you wouldn't expect more back from Noel and Okafor

yeah i think its not that great value wise for us, but noel and okafor are just expendable with embeast also, i dont value our pick that high, cause with that trade, it would probably fall down to late lotto range. those 2 would fit like a glove

next season:

embiid/bogut(fa)
simmons/saric
crowder/covington
mccollum/monk(lakers pick)
lowry(FA)/bayless

^thats a wet dream for me

[Celts17Pride]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/244552/DeMarcus-Cousins-Intends-To-Sign-$207M-Extension-With-Kings-In-Offseason

DeMarcus Cousins intends to sign a contract extension with the Sacramento Kings worth an estimated $207 million over five years.

Cousins and the Kings have discussed numbers and a deal will be done in the offseason barring a late change in direction by either side.

Under the new CBA, Cousins is in line for the league’s designated player exception, which allows Sacramento to give their franchise cornerstone an additional five-years on top of his current deal, keeping him with the Kings through the 22-23 season.

Cousins can sign for a starting salary up to 35 percent of the salary cap.

Cousins previously signed a four-year max contract in September of 2013 that was set to expire in 2018.

Well now.... money talks!

This is one of the reasons stars are just not getting traded. Paul George is next for the big extension.

[Banks2Pierce]

This is one of the reasons stars are just not getting traded. Paul George is next for the big extension.

If I'm reading this correctly, whether or not he gets on one of the All NBA teams this season could be huge for that. You need to be on it 2 out of 3 of the prior seasons. Cousins is already eligible, but George is not. George could still get it in 2018 and be eligible, but it could be a risk for Indiana to let it get that far.

Giannis and Anthony Davis have surely supplanted him. I forget if that removed the C option as well, which would boot a guy like Drummond.

[165bows]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/244552/DeMarcus-Cousins-Intends-To-Sign-$207M-Extension-With-Kings-In-Offseason

DeMarcus Cousins intends to sign a contract extension with the Sacramento Kings worth an estimated $207 million over five years.

Cousins and the Kings have discussed numbers and a deal will be done in the offseason barring a late change in direction by either side.

Under the new CBA, Cousins is in line for the league’s designated player exception, which allows Sacramento to give their franchise cornerstone an additional five-years on top of his current deal, keeping him with the Kings through the 22-23 season.

Cousins can sign for a starting salary up to 35 percent of the salary cap.

Cousins previously signed a four-year max contract in September of 2013 that was set to expire in 2018.

Well now.... money talks!

This is one of the reasons stars are just not getting traded. Paul George is next for the big extension.

This will be an era of guys signing huge deals with bad teams then forcing their way off via trade once they get fed up with their team.

Helps the 'stars' make more money and incumbent teams get more trade value without FA risk. So more emphasis on draft over FA.

Also, more tantrums!

[TheOGJabroni]

Boston in: Butler, Bogut, Chi '17 1st
Boston out: Brown, Bradley, Rozier, Zeller, BK '17 1st, BK '18 1st, Min '17 2nd

Chicago in: Brown, Bradley, Rozier, BK '17 1st, BK '18 1st
Chicago out: Butler, Chi '17 1st

Dallas in: Zeller, Min '17 2nd
Dallas out: Bogut

Thomas / Smart / Jackson
Butler / Green / Young
Crowder / Jerebko
Horford / Johnson / Mickey
Bogut / Olynyk

We trade both BK picks but get a potential lottery pick for this year from Chicago to balance this out.

Thoughts?

[FlatearthZorro]

Boston in: Butler, Bogut, Chi '17 1st
Boston out: Brown, Bradley, Rozier, Zeller, BK '17 1st, BK '18 1st, Min '17 2nd

Chicago in: Brown, Bradley, Rozier, BK '17 1st, BK '18 1st
Chicago out: Butler, Chi '17 1st

Dallas in: Zeller, Min '17 2nd
Dallas out: Bogut

Thomas / Smart / Jackson
Butler / Green / Young
Crowder / Jerebko
Horford / Johnson / Mickey
Bogut / Olynyk

We trade both BK picks but get a potential lottery pick for this year from Chicago to balance this out.

Thoughts?

Butler doesn't get us over the top or even close. CLE will rip us as they have more depth. I'd just keep the pick, but this pretty much depends on what Danny's opinion is on the upcoming draft as that BKN pick could very likely end up top 3.

[OFWGKTA]

Crowder, Rozier, and the Memphis pick for Noel and Covington

[TheOGJabroni]

Crowder, Rozier, and the Memphis pick for Noel and Covington

I'm not moving Crowder unless it is a clear upgrade or until Brown is ready. From what I've understood, Covington is having a down year and Noel is due a contract that will really hinder our capspace this offseason. I would pass.

[cl2117]

Crowder, Rozier, and the Memphis pick for Noel and Covington

Crowder's contract makes him worth significantly more than Noel and Covington combined, at least in my opinion.

I wouldn't touch any of the Crowder for X non-elite player. He is going to look like he's on food stamps compared to some of the deals similarly talented (and worse) players will be on in the coming years.

[OFWGKTA]

Crowder, Rozier, and the Memphis pick for Noel and Covington

I'm not moving Crowder unless it is a clear upgrade or until Brown is ready. From what I've understood, Covington is having a down year and Noel is due a contract that will really hinder our capspace this offseason. I would pass.

Rozier and Crowder make a combined $8,784,637 next year, Covington will make $1,087,745, Noel's cap hold I believe will be $10,961,225, so $12,048,970 combined. Total added salary of $3,264,333, that can be made up by renouncing Olynyk.

Covington hasn't shot the ball well this year, but has been a beast defensively. For his career, he's shooting 35% from 3 on 6.4 attempts a game, he should trend back to that. He's also a better rebounder than Crowder, and better suited to play some small ball 4 (6'9).

So the deal would have us upgrading on defense and rebounding from the 3/5, and taking a slight hit to our shooting if Covington gets back to normal.

[ddb]

Honestly guys I'm ready to move on from all the bigs on our roster outside of Horford. All of them, I wouldn't miss a single one of them. I'd rather us bringing Yabu and Zizi, signing a vet big to a short term contract(if we dont get a "star) while having Horford on the team. Maybe keep Mickey if Danny thinks the guy has any potential in the future(he's only in his 2nd year).

I agree man. I made this exact statement last year. At least now we added in Horford.. but beyond that...I wouldn't miss a single big on the roster. KO, Jonas, Amir, Zeller...bye bye

[TheOGJabroni]

Crowder, Rozier, and the Memphis pick for Noel and Covington

I'm not moving Crowder unless it is a clear upgrade or until Brown is ready. From what I've understood, Covington is having a down year and Noel is due a contract that will really hinder our capspace this offseason. I would pass.

Rozier and Crowder make a combined $8,784,637 next year, Covington will make $1,087,745, Noel's cap hold I believe will be $10,961,225, so $12,048,970 combined. Total added salary of $3,264,333, that can be made up by renouncing Olynyk.

Covington hasn't shot the ball well this year, but has been a beast defensively. For his career, he's shooting 35% from 3 on 6.4 attempts a game, he should trend back to that. He's also a better rebounder than Crowder, and better suited to play some small ball 4 (6'9).

So the deal would have us upgrading on defense and rebounding from the 3/5, and taking a slight hit to our shooting if Covington gets back to normal.

Perhaps. I just think we could acquire these players (or similar) for less. I'm not sure if this trade is worth rocking the boat for. Besides a terrible collapse last night (without Bradley who would have been incredibly useful), we are playing well. We do need a rebounder though. I'd rather make a smaller deal for Bogut.

[GoCeltics123]

Honestly guys I'm ready to move on from all the bigs on our roster outside of Horford. All of them, I wouldn't miss a single one of them. I'd rather us bringing Yabu and Zizi, signing a vet big to a short term contract(if we dont get a "star) while having Horford on the team. Maybe keep Mickey if Danny thinks the guy has any potential in the future(he's only in his 2nd year).

I agree man. I made this exact statement last year. At least now we added in Horford.. but beyond that...I wouldn't miss a single big on the roster. KO, Jonas, Amir, Zeller...bye bye

Zizic probably takes one of their spots next year...but the rest might be back. Yabusele is tough to say.

I would take Jerebko back, but I don't want anyone else.