All things Draft Pick. #3

[SparringPartner]

I can't get past the idea that Boston was strongly complicit in creating the Fultz hype.

Offensively he obviously looked the part, but they must not have felt he was a good chance of being a great player. They don't trade the pick if they think the kid is Harden.

Fultz hype created, check.

Now Jackson hype within the past week, check.

All the while, they've been hush hush on the best player from last year, Tatum.

Hmmm.

All we know is the Celtics worked Tatum out

Link?


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[Andrew McCeltic]

Still find this deal bizarre. Philadelphia should have been the motivated buyer, and they have LAL 18, SAC 19, and their own 18... I think we deserved two of them. And send them Demetrius Jackson, maybe Yabu.

This isn't 1 for Parish/Mchale, by any means.

Sounds like the cap jump was shorter than we hoped, we wanted to find a way to shed salary.

The fact we're hearing that our guards were a factor in passing on Fultz...

I'm not thrilled yet, but Ainge has a record of doing things that make more sense with time. I wasn't sold on Jaylen until summer league.

They have access to information we don't. I called the Dwight Howard angle - Fultz is clownish or immature or uncompetitive or something. Love Josh Jackson shading him on twitter a day later.

It's also true most young players take years to develop - I always wondered if we could've drafted Durant and still done the KG trade, how that would've worked out. But since we want to contend now, and not win 50 while the next generation matures in the rotation, getting more trade value makes sense.

We also can't trade the 1 for Jimmy Butler and Paul George, but we can trade the 3 and the LA/SAC pick.

Sounds like we were motivated sellers, though, and realized we wouldn't have the cap flexibility drafting Fultz to make the moves we wanted.

If we keep the 3, I love Jackson, Ball, Tatum, DSJ.

I would call Sacramento to find out how serious they were about trading up, and suss out who they'd take at 3. Then I'd call Phoenix and try to figure out who they're targeting. We could do another trade down to 4 or 5/10 and pick up more assets.

I was skeptical of the Fultz hype, but I'm uneasy about the fact most scouts had him a tier above the rest of the class, with some saying he'd be the best point guard in the league in five years, that he'll keep growing, that he'll have the size to play the 1, 2, 3. And he's as polished a prospect as you could hope for. Funny irony about Kyrie comparisons is that scouts weren't enthusiastic about Irving, and he seemed like more of a maybe than a sure thing.

Anyone have links to Fultz' games against top teams? My point awhile ago was that Fultz at Duke might've looked like Tatum, and Tatum at Washington might've looked like Fultz.

I can believe it's a Fultz-Ball-Jackson-Tatum tier, like the Celtics do. That was my initial instinct. But it's tough to push that against the certainty of the hype train.

3 for Bender/4 so the Suns can get Jackson? 4 for 5/10 so we let the Kings draft Fox?

I'd wonder about 3/Jae for Kristaps, 8. And my dream draft now is 3 for 5/10, Tatum or Jackson at 5, DSJ at 10.

[SparringPartner]

A lot of Jimmy Butler talk... but couple reasons why PG makes more sense..

1. He's younger
2. Lower price tag to acquire
3. Better shooter
4. Mentioned IT was the player he was most excited to play with in the All Star game
5. Retweeted, then deleted, a quote by Pierce saying Boston should trade the top overall pick
6. Zach Lowe reported earlier that George wanted to play with Hayward.
7. Lakers and Clippers suck. Danny should be willing to call his bluff on actually wanting to sign there.
8. IT / George / Hayward / Horford is a legit team. A defensive center away from being a legit contender.

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[jfs1000d]

I just saw an article that reminds us Fultz had the third highest scoring average in college (Division 1?) over the past decade. One of the two guys ahead of him was Kevin Durant.

The other was Michael Beasley.

Michael Beasley. Lol.


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[return2glory]

I can't get past the idea that Boston was strongly complicit in creating the Fultz hype.

Offensively he obviously looked the part, but they must not have felt he was a good chance of being a great player. They don't trade the pick if they think the kid is Harden.

And that's why he didn't get to go to Chipotle with Ainge.

[gammajamma]

I just saw an article that reminds us Fultz had the third highest scoring average in college (Division 1?) over the past decade. One of the two guys ahead of him was Kevin Durant.

The other was Michael Beasley.

Michael Beasley. Lol.


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He is a joke now but his year in college was one of the most impressive years I have ever seen. I thought he was going to be a stud, I didn't realize the mental baggage he came with.

[radcot]

FINALLY!!!! Caught up reading 226 pages of this thread -- mostly after the facts of the trade were known. Two conclusions:
1. I need a speed reading course real bad!!!
2. It's easy to tell the rational chickens from the irrational chickens in our barnyard. (The fact that the latter are skittering madly with blood spurting from the tops of their necks is an unmistakeable clue.)

[Cornbread]

Reports say he did. All we can go by is the reports.

Just like how the reports say Fultz "isn't a winner" and how we passed on him because we "have a logjam at guard".

"Reports"

That is all


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Reports say a lot of things. Said we were getting that Lakers pick AND the Sacremento pick. Turns out it was only one and that one is protected.

Sometimes the truth is worse than the reports.

You're not helping your credibility by continuing to site the fact that the pick is protected. The protections in all likelihood are good for the Celtics - not bad.

[return2glory]

There was also a video on the last thread about Jalen Rose speculating that the C's will be picking the #3 for another team - in this case, I'm curious he mentioned Indiana and not Chicago - and that Josh Jackson should be the pick as he believes JJ is the best player in the draft. Is there any traction on trades with IND involving the #3 and PG13?

Steven A. said the same thing that we would be trading the pick, but to the Bulls in a package deal for a Butler. Steven A. has ties to the Sixers and said that that's why the Celtics made the trade with Philly.

[ViperGTS]

A lot of Jimmy Butler talk... but couple reasons why PG makes more sense..

1. He's younger
2. Lower price tag to acquire
3. Better shooter
4. Mentioned IT was the player he was most excited to play with in the All Star game
5. Retweeted, then deleted, a quote by Pierce saying Boston should trade the top overall pick
6. Zach Lowe reported earlier that George wanted to play with Hayward.
7. Lakers and Clippers suck. Danny should be willing to call his bluff on actually wanting to sign there.
8. IT / George / Hayward / Horford is a legit team. A defensive center away from being a legit contender.

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Sigh. Butler isn't worth the number 3 overall. He wasn't last year, and a year later...he certainly isn't worth it. Ditto for George. In the modern NBA you don't trade top 5 picks for older players. That's asinine and hell, Cleveland will rueing the day they traded Wiggins for Love soon enough. I pray Danny and the gang remember how fleeting the '08 squad aged and the dark days of mediocrity that followed.



You sign FA or do cheaper trades a la Thomas.

[ConstableGeneva]

A lot of Jimmy Butler talk... but couple reasons why PG makes more sense..

1. He's younger
2. Lower price tag to acquire
3. Better shooter
4. Mentioned IT was the player he was most excited to play with in the All Star game
5. Retweeted, then deleted, a quote by Pierce saying Boston should trade the top overall pick
6. Zach Lowe reported earlier that George wanted to play with Hayward.
7. Lakers and Clippers suck. Danny should be willing to call his bluff on actually wanting to sign there.
8. IT / George / Hayward / Horford is a legit team. A defensive center away from being a legit contender.

9. Has gone toe-to-toe with Lebron in the playoffs multiple times and lived to tell about it.
10. His jersey number isn't retired yet.
11. I don't want him joining the Cavs.
12. He already loves our system:

If you look at (Boston's) roster," Pacers star Paul George said after the game, "everybody knows what to expect out of everybody. There's never a moment where a guy is like 'What kind of shot are you taking?' or 'What are you doing?' They are beyond that."

SIGN ME UP.

[Wes-J]

Spoiler:

Read on Twitter

Don't know if this was posted.

Really don't care for this JJ posting. Grow up dude.

Really don't care for you not caring. Grow up dude.

Uhh not you. Jackson's for posting that childs play. Sorry for the confusion!!

[ViperGTS]

If LA is 2-5 next year we get the pick. If not we get SAC's '19 1st round pick

OH ****..he managed to talk that Sacto pick in there?

That might be better than the LA 18. Idk what to root for now..

Sacramento 2019

Anyway, after sleeping on it the way I look at is if Ainge doesn't trade the pick and he wanted Jackson/Tatum, I would've rather him trade down than reach and take them #1

Yeah exactly..I think it's a good trade with potential to be a terrific trade. People are acting like it's a big risk for us but to me it's a hell of a bigger risk for Philly. At least we will have two cracks at it..

We will have one crack at it. If you get LAL 5 next season...and Philly gets number one via SAC in '19 that won't look so good, will it? Philly took ZERO risk. They have a safety valve by not giving up both picks unprotected, straight up.

People keep missing this and it needs to be hammered home.

[BRUNiNHO91]

A lot of Jimmy Butler talk... but couple reasons why PG makes more sense..

1. He's younger
2. Lower price tag to acquire
3. Better shooter
4. Mentioned IT was the player he was most excited to play with in the All Star game
5. Retweeted, then deleted, a quote by Pierce saying Boston should trade the top overall pick
6. Zach Lowe reported earlier that George wanted to play with Hayward.
7. Lakers and Clippers suck. Danny should be willing to call his bluff on actually wanting to sign there.
8. IT / George / Hayward / Horford is a legit team. A defensive center away from being a legit contender.

Jimmy Butler is signed on for two more years at below 20 mil though and that matters.

I prefer George over Butler also, but not by much and I can understand why Ainge would want Butler more. Financially it's the better move for the next couple of years..I still think the price tag would be similar in trading for both. You're not getting either guy without putting one of these high end picks we have on the table.

[sportfan6197]

A lot of Jimmy Butler talk... but couple reasons why PG makes more sense..

1. He's younger
2. Lower price tag to acquire
3. Better shooter
4. Mentioned IT was the player he was most excited to play with in the All Star game
5. Retweeted, then deleted, a quote by Pierce saying Boston should trade the top overall pick
6. Zach Lowe reported earlier that George wanted to play with Hayward.
7. Lakers and Clippers suck. Danny should be willing to call his bluff on actually wanting to sign there.
8. IT / George / Hayward / Horford is a legit team. A defensive center away from being a legit contender.

Jimmy Butler is signed on for two more years at below 20 mil though and that matters.

I prefer George over Butler also, but not by much and I can understand why Ainge would want Butler more. Financially it's the better move for the next couple of years..I still think the price tag would be similar in trading for both. You're not getting either guy without putting one of these high end picks we have on the table.

George is easier to pry away from than Butler IMO

[ViperGTS]

A lot of Jimmy Butler talk... but couple reasons why PG makes more sense..

1. He's younger
2. Lower price tag to acquire
3. Better shooter
4. Mentioned IT was the player he was most excited to play with in the All Star game
5. Retweeted, then deleted, a quote by Pierce saying Boston should trade the top overall pick
6. Zach Lowe reported earlier that George wanted to play with Hayward.
7. Lakers and Clippers suck. Danny should be willing to call his bluff on actually wanting to sign there.
8. IT / George / Hayward / Horford is a legit team. A defensive center away from being a legit contender.

9. Has gone toe-to-toe with Lebron in the playoffs multiple times and lived to tell about it.
10. His jersey number isn't retired yet.
11. I don't want him joining the Cavs.
12. He already loves our system:

If you look at (Boston's) roster," Pacers star Paul George said after the game, "everybody knows what to expect out of everybody. There's never a moment where a guy is like 'What kind of shot are you taking?' or 'What are you doing?' They are beyond that."

SIGN ME UP.

At what cost?

[bwgood77]

A lot of Jimmy Butler talk... but couple reasons why PG makes more sense..

1. He's younger
2. Lower price tag to acquire
3. Better shooter
4. Mentioned IT was the player he was most excited to play with in the All Star game
5. Retweeted, then deleted, a quote by Pierce saying Boston should trade the top overall pick
6. Zach Lowe reported earlier that George wanted to play with Hayward.
7. Lakers and Clippers suck. Danny should be willing to call his bluff on actually wanting to sign there.
8. IT / George / Hayward / Horford is a legit team. A defensive center away from being a legit contender.

I'm a much bigger George fan than Butler, but wouldn't you worry a lot more about giving up a huge package for George that he might leave for LA?

[TheOGJabroni]

A lot of Jimmy Butler talk... but couple reasons why PG makes more sense..

1. He's younger
2. Lower price tag to acquire
3. Better shooter
4. Mentioned IT was the player he was most excited to play with in the All Star game
5. Retweeted, then deleted, a quote by Pierce saying Boston should trade the top overall pick
6. Zach Lowe reported earlier that George wanted to play with Hayward.
7. Lakers and Clippers suck. Danny should be willing to call his bluff on actually wanting to sign there.
8. IT / George / Hayward / Horford is a legit team. A defensive center away from being a legit contender.

9. Has gone toe-to-toe with Lebron in the playoffs multiple times and lived to tell about it.
10. His jersey number isn't retired yet.
11. I don't want him joining the Cavs.
12. He already loves our system:

If you look at (Boston's) roster," Pacers star Paul George said after the game, "everybody knows what to expect out of everybody. There's never a moment where a guy is like 'What kind of shot are you taking?' or 'What are you doing?' They are beyond that."

SIGN ME UP.

Bird left the Pacers as well, not sure if that's a good or bad thing for us in terms of working out a trade, but I think it's a telling sign that he knows George could be on his way out and he didn't want to be part of the inevitable rebuild. Chicago seems more likely to stand pat.

[Edug27]

A lot of Jimmy Butler talk... but couple reasons why PG makes more sense..

1. He's younger
2. Lower price tag to acquire
3. Better shooter
4. Mentioned IT was the player he was most excited to play with in the All Star game
5. Retweeted, then deleted, a quote by Pierce saying Boston should trade the top overall pick
6. Zach Lowe reported earlier that George wanted to play with Hayward.
7. Lakers and Clippers suck. Danny should be willing to call his bluff on actually wanting to sign there.
8. IT / George / Hayward / Horford is a legit team. A defensive center away from being a legit contender.

Jimmy Butler is signed on for two more years at below 20 mil though and that matters.

I prefer George over Butler also, but not by much and I can understand why Ainge would want Butler more. Financially it's the better move for the next couple of years..I still think the price tag would be similar in trading for both. You're not getting either guy without putting one of these high end picks we have on the table.

The fact that PG is expiring, and Butler isn't.. makes Butler the higher price tag to acquire. Chicago has little motivation.

[3D Chess]

There have been some tweets from reporter types suggesting guys around the league are going to team up in order to beat GSW. If you think about it, for guys like PG who have maybe 4-5 years of prime remaining, they literally do not have a path to a title if they don't team up with other guys. Then it's career over, maybe a lucky ring chase ala David West. Ainge has set up the Celtics to be in arguably the best position in terms of flexibility and assets of the non GSW / LeBron teams in the league. It has to be attractive to these guys who are currently seeing any shot at a title slipping away rapidly.

That's how the league is now. These guys aren't all just going to accept their fate as also-rans for the rest of their career.