Buyout Thread: If Celtics get a player in buyout market, who would be cut?

[Triple7]

Ainge will only sign someone who can play on both ends which immediately rules out IT, Crawford, and whoever else is getting thrown around

I would definitely pass on IT. If we can’t find a big to help, then a wing that can score on bunches on limited minutes would do. Not sure if there is someone like that out there. IT would definitely want his, so No to him.

[31to6]

I never advocated for any of those three but if you think our bench is getting us to the promised land, I’ll gladly gift you that emoji again. You truly deserve it.

Yeah benches definitely take teams to the promised land. Let’s go land Troy Murphy! Or, whoever it is you’re advocating. Got a suggestion for someone who’ll take playoff minutes over Smart, Kanter, or Wanamaker?

Over Smart and Kanter? No. Wanamaker and literally everyone else on the bench? Uh hell yes. If you think having only one quality player off the bench(Smart) and one semi-quality player(Kanter) is going to be enough you are sorely mistaken.

Go ahead and give us a name then of who is available that you want us to bring in.

Wanamaker has a net rating of 5.6, ORTG 108 and DRTG 103, TS% 56, A/TO 2.5. I think the team is totally comfortable playing him 8-10 mpg in the playoffs. Same with Grant — great #s including our best 3pt shooter over the last three months.

Again, the names mentioned in this thread are IT, Stephenson, Boogie and now Jamal Crawford. You don’t have to have a wire in Celtics HQ to know that nothing like any of those are happening given that our coach and front office value guys who play defense, who contribute to a positive culture, and consistency.

We have plenty of scoring — three guys averaging 20 and another one who easily could if we had the shots available. As long as those guys are healthy we’ll play them a lot in the playoffs and go as far as they (and Smart) can carry us.

But if you’ve got a suggestion that you’re holding out on go ahead, otherwise you’re just wasting your time and emojis.

[cloverleaf]

Yeah benches definitely take teams to the promised land. Let’s go land Troy Murphy! Or, whoever it is you’re advocating. Got a suggestion for someone who’ll take playoff minutes over Smart, Kanter, or Wanamaker?

Over Smart and Kanter? No. Wanamaker and literally everyone else on the bench? Uh hell yes. If you think having only one quality player off the bench(Smart) and one semi-quality player(Kanter) is going to be enough you are sorely mistaken.

Go ahead and give us a name then of who is available that you want us to bring in.

Wanamaker has a net rating of 5.6, ORTG 108 and DRTG 103, TS% 56, A/TO 2.5. I think the team is totally comfortable playing him 8-10 mpg in the playoffs. Same with Grant — great #s including our best 3pt shooter over the last three months.

Again, the names mentioned in this thread are IT, Stephenson, Boogie and now Jamal Crawford. You don’t have to have a wire in Celtics HQ to know that nothing like any of those are happening given that our coach and front office value guys who play defense, who contribute to a positive culture, and consistency.

We have plenty of scoring — three guys averaging 20 and another one who easily could if we had the shots available. As long as those guys are healthy we’ll play them a lot in the playoffs and go as far as they (and Smart) can carry us.

But if you’ve got a suggestion that you’re holding out on go ahead, otherwise you’re just wasting your time and emojis.

Kanter, Smart and (if he stays healthy) Rob are three quality bench players. Then Wanamaker and Langford can help you in certain situations--and Semi will have his key moments as well. That is 8 deep for the regular rotation and 11 deep for special situations or in case of injury.

Sure, it would have been nice if Edwards had worked this season and it would be great to have some instant offense off the bench, but likely the only hope the C's have for a quality addition is TT if he miraculously gets released.

[Gant]

Over Smart and Kanter? No. Wanamaker and literally everyone else on the bench? Uh hell yes. If you think having only one quality player off the bench(Smart) and one semi-quality player(Kanter) is going to be enough you are sorely mistaken.

Go ahead and give us a name then of who is available that you want us to bring in.

Wanamaker has a net rating of 5.6, ORTG 108 and DRTG 103, TS% 56, A/TO 2.5. I think the team is totally comfortable playing him 8-10 mpg in the playoffs. Same with Grant — great #s including our best 3pt shooter over the last three months.

Again, the names mentioned in this thread are IT, Stephenson, Boogie and now Jamal Crawford. You don’t have to have a wire in Celtics HQ to know that nothing like any of those are happening given that our coach and front office value guys who play defense, who contribute to a positive culture, and consistency.

We have plenty of scoring — three guys averaging 20 and another one who easily could if we had the shots available. As long as those guys are healthy we’ll play them a lot in the playoffs and go as far as they (and Smart) can carry us.

But if you’ve got a suggestion that you’re holding out on go ahead, otherwise you’re just wasting your time and emojis.

Kanter, Smart and (if he stays healthy) Rob are three quality bench players. Then Wanamaker and Langford can help you in certain situations--and Semi will have his key moments as well. That is 8 deep for the regular rotation and 11 deep for special situations or in case of injury.

Sure, it would have been nice if Edwards had worked this season and it would be great to have some instant offense off the bench, but likely the only hope the C's have for a quality addition is TT if he miraculously gets released.

Grant Williams too. He doesn't get stats but does contribute to wins.

[zoyathedestroya]

Unless it was just lip service, even Ainge admitted they could use a bit more experience on the bench. That they were looking at a couple of names if they became available.

I would've liked any of the following as an insurance 8th or 9th man: Mo Harkless, Marvin Williams (**** the Bucks), James Johnson, Tristan Thompson (not gonna happen).

Cs don't really need "bench scoring". The line between starters and bench are already blurred in the regular season due to injuries and Stevens' staggered sub patterns. That line will almost disappear except for opening tipoffs. Our "bench scoring" will come from any of our 4 top scorers. I think only two or three playoff teams (OKC, LAC) can boast having FOUR 17+ ppg scorers on their respective teams. Clippers just prefer LouWill and Trez coming off the bench. We hopefully will always have at least two of those scorers on the floor. Then there's Kanter who can also put up quick points in limited minutes.

We need a player who will not be a liability on defense, will not be a clown/headache in the locker room, will not upset the team's chemistry, can fit whatever we're already doing on both ends of the court, and can hit an open look or two. Don't really care for anyone who will take touches/shots away from our primary scorers. Any high IQ, high energy, low usage vets still out there, come on down!

[Curmudgeon]

We need a player who will not be a liability on defense, will not be a clown/headache in the locker room, will not upset the team's chemistry, can fit whatever we're already doing on both ends of the court, and can hit an open look or two. Don't really care for anyone who will take touches/shots away from our primary scorers. Any high IQ, high energy, low usage vets still out there, come on down!

Those are the kinds of players that every team wants, which means they do not get bought out.

[zoyathedestroya]

We need a player who will not be a liability on defense, will not be a clown/headache in the locker room, will not upset the team's chemistry, can fit whatever we're already doing on both ends of the court, and can hit an open look or two. Don't really care for anyone who will take touches/shots away from our primary scorers. Any high IQ, high energy, low usage vets still out there, come on down!

Those are the kinds of players that every team wants, which means they do not get bought out.

Don't need to meet every single requirement. Marvin Williams would've sufficed. He was bought out. Alas, he preferred the Bucks.

[Curmudgeon]

What would Marvin Williams provide that Kanter doesn't? Williams is a better three point shooter but Kanter is so much better on the glass-- and each rebound means another possession for Tatum, Brown and Hayward to shoot threes. And what would a player like Lance Stevenson provide that Langford doesn't? Langford is already better defensively by a substantial margin. If they could replace Poirier with a Byombo or a similar big body, that might be a modest upgrade, but you could also waive Poirier and get Tacko on a regular deal so that he's eligible for the playoffs.

[Bleeding Green]

Biyombo sucks and Poirier is playing zero minutes in the playoffs anyway. Marvin Williams can hit a three, Kanter can't, that's about it.

Lance Stephenson is definitely a meme, I don't buy for a second that anyone who has watched basketball in the last decade would suggest signing him to be anything but a mascot or halftime performer.

[Dogen]

Cmon don't show Russell like that!

[Dogen]

Tatum going Full Metal Mamba in LA!

[Dogen]

Tatum got fouled on that AD three too!

[zoyathedestroya]

Read on Twitter

...in theory. I hope he takes away shots from Lebron/AD and be lazy/dumb on defense.

[Triple7]

We need a player who will not be a liability on defense, will not be a clown/headache in the locker room, will not upset the team's chemistry, can fit whatever we're already doing on both ends of the court, and can hit an open look or two. Don't really care for anyone who will take touches/shots away from our primary scorers. Any high IQ, high energy, low usage vets still out there, come on down!

Those are the kinds of players that every team wants, which means they do not get bought out.

Don't need to meet every single requirement. Marvin Williams would've sufficed. He was bought out. Alas, he preferred the Bucks.

Marvin Williams would be the jinx that would bring the bucks bad luck.

[BigTrade92]

We can’t score off the bench and people here don’t want to sign Isaiah. Craziness.

How exactly does Javonte Green warming the bench in the playoffs benefit us?

[31to6]

We can’t score off the bench and people here don’t want to sign Isaiah. Craziness.

How exactly does Javonte Green warming the bench in the playoffs benefit us?

IT plays awesome defense and is all about the team

[BigTrade92]

We can’t score off the bench and people here don’t want to sign Isaiah. Craziness.

How exactly does Javonte Green warming the bench in the playoffs benefit us?

IT plays awesome defense and is all about the team

Isaiah Thomas was literally the definition of a team player when he was here. You’re just talking nonsense now.

And again, we need a scorer and major offense. We don’t need another Marcus Smart. Complaining about Isaiah’s defense is just silly.

Again, how does keeping Javonte Green and letting him warm the bench benefit the team in any way?

[31to6]

We can’t score off the bench and people here don’t want to sign Isaiah. Craziness.

How exactly does Javonte Green warming the bench in the playoffs benefit us?

IT plays awesome defense and is all about the team

Isaiah Thomas was literally the definition of a team player when he was here. You’re just talking nonsense now.

And again, we need a scorer and major offense. We don’t need another Marcus Smart. Complaining about Isaiah’s defense is just silly.

Again, how does keeping Javonte Green and letting him warm the bench benefit the team in any way?

what? why? we're top 3 in offense and top 3 in defense. let's add a broken down 5'8" with a defensive rating of 120, net rating of -10, and a TS% (the only thing he's got to offer) of 0.53 after he was ditched by two teams and is out of the league.

huge IT fan while he was here. but lol at saying a team with three 20ppg guys on it and another one who could do it in his sleep if we just had the shots available 'needs a scorer and major offense'.

but to the part I highlighted: knowing what you know about Brad Stevens, you really think he's looking for someone who can't compete defensively? Is that how this team works? that's "just silly"?

and re: Javonte well he's our 15th guy and has good size and athleticism, so if we suffer several injuries in the playoffs I'm sure we'd rather have him out there than a washed 5'8" guy. But teams don't exactly ride or die on their 15th guys so you're kind of tilting at windmills here.

[BigTrade92]

IT plays awesome defense and is all about the team

Isaiah Thomas was literally the definition of a team player when he was here. You’re just talking nonsense now.

And again, we need a scorer and major offense. We don’t need another Marcus Smart. Complaining about Isaiah’s defense is just silly.

Again, how does keeping Javonte Green and letting him warm the bench benefit the team in any way?

what? why? we're top 3 in offense and top 3 in defense. let's add a broken down 5'8" with a defensive rating of 120, net rating of -10, and a TS% (the only thing he's got to offer) of 0.53 after he was ditched by two teams and is out of the league.

huge IT fan while he was here. but lol at saying a team with three 20ppg guys on it and another one who could do it in his sleep if we just had the shots available 'needs a scorer and major offense'.

but to the part I highlighted: knowing what you know about Brad Stevens, you really think he's looking for someone who can't compete defensively? Is that how this team works? that's "just silly"?

and re: Javonte well he's our 15th guy and has good size and athleticism, so if we suffer several injuries in the playoffs I'm sure we'd rather have him out there than a washed 5'8" guy. But teams don't exactly ride or die on their 15th guys so you're kind of tilting at windmills here.

And you’re quoting stats that are attributed exclusively to our starters and Smart. We also have the 28th ranked bench in league....that’s where your argument falls to shreds.

Arguing that you’d rather have Javonte Green to rot on the bench over Isaiah, who can still shoot no matter how “washed” he may be, is just lunacy.

[31to6]

Isaiah Thomas was literally the definition of a team player when he was here. You’re just talking nonsense now.

And again, we need a scorer and major offense. We don’t need another Marcus Smart. Complaining about Isaiah’s defense is just silly.

Again, how does keeping Javonte Green and letting him warm the bench benefit the team in any way?

what? why? we're top 3 in offense and top 3 in defense. let's add a broken down 5'8" with a defensive rating of 120, net rating of -10, and a TS% (the only thing he's got to offer) of 0.53 after he was ditched by two teams and is out of the league.

huge IT fan while he was here. but lol at saying a team with three 20ppg guys on it and another one who could do it in his sleep if we just had the shots available 'needs a scorer and major offense'.

but to the part I highlighted: knowing what you know about Brad Stevens, you really think he's looking for someone who can't compete defensively? Is that how this team works? that's "just silly"?

and re: Javonte well he's our 15th guy and has good size and athleticism, so if we suffer several injuries in the playoffs I'm sure we'd rather have him out there than a washed 5'8" guy. But teams don't exactly ride or die on their 15th guys so you're kind of tilting at windmills here.

And you’re quoting stats that are attributed exclusively to our starters and Smart. We also have the 28th ranked bench in league....that’s where your argument falls to shreds.

Arguing that you’d rather have Javonte Green to rot on the bench over Isaiah, who can still shoot no matter how “washed” he may be, is just lunacy.

Those team rankings are based on our whole team for the whole season. We have awesome starters, and bench players who make open shots at a fine clip, play good defense, and get out of the way of our four big-time scorers, two of whom are usually on the court at any given time. Our bench is ranked 28th **in what**. We don't need them to score points.

Hey the Lakers' starting backcourt scored a total of 6pts today. Add in their starting center and they got 10 points total from three of their starters. Do you think they care or that it matters? "that's where your argument falls to shreds"

Anyway the proof will be in the pudding. If we bring in IT then clearly you're right. If not? Then I guess Ainge and Stevens join me in 'lunacy'. Stop and think about how much you'd be willing to wager that they bring in IT, I'd bet it's not really that much.