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Re: Welcome Derrick White 

Post#521 » by Feed Your Head » Sat Dec 31, 2022 3:37 pm

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Can’t have enough of those high-level high IQ glue guys. I guarantee you, teams like the Clippers, Lakers, Nuggets, Wolves, and Heat among others would love to have this guy on their playoff rotation.


It’s REALLY apparent when Jaylen is out there. That extra unselfish guy who always makes the right play/pass.

Jaylen+White, no Tatum: +14.7 in 424 possessions.
Jaylen, no White/Tatum: -2.5 in 314 possessions
Jaylen, no White: -3.3 in 1,123 possessions.

Tatum+White, no Jaylen: +11.3 in 474 possessions.
Tatum, no White/Jaylen: +29.5 in 344 possessions, can’t say that didn’t surprise me lol.
Tatum, no White: +6.4 in 1,153 possessions.

I spend way too much time looking at lineup combinations lol.
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Post#522 » by Fencer reregistered » Sat Dec 31, 2022 5:06 pm

Long article in praise of White's defense, especially his footwork, general quickness, and anticipation.

https://www.celticsblog.com/2022/12/31/23533225/derrick-white-boston-celtics-all-defense-marcus-smart-jaylen-brown-damon-stoudamire
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Post#524 » by SuperDeluxe » Sun Jan 1, 2023 6:56 pm

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White appears in four of the top 13 pairings. That must be a fluke because I keep reading that he sucks and needs to be traded.
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Post#525 » by Feed Your Head » Sun Jan 1, 2023 7:31 pm

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White appears in four of the top 13 pairings. That must be a fluke because I keep reading that he sucks and needs to be traded.


It’s the new Marcus Smart litmus test for who knows basketball.
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Post#526 » by fallguy » Sun Jan 1, 2023 8:50 pm

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White appears in four of the top 13 pairings. That must be a fluke because I keep reading that he sucks and needs to be traded.


It’s the new Marcus Smart litmus test for who knows basketball.


Ooh. Good point.
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Post#527 » by Bostondave » Sun Jan 1, 2023 10:24 pm

I don't like this guy and aren't totally sure why. I just don't like him. I think it might have something to do with him just being so soft, tentative. Kinda weak. I've seen him assert, but it's so rare and it's never gamewise. It's just for a play or two and that's it. Giving flashes of what he could be, what he should perhaps be. And that's on D and O.
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Post#528 » by ConstableGeneva » Sun Jan 1, 2023 10:34 pm

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White appears in four of the top 13 pairings. That must be a fluke because I keep reading that he sucks and needs to be traded.


It’s the new Marcus Smart litmus test for who knows basketball.

Different type of players, similar high impact. Their contributions largely go unnoticed because they don't make the box score. Well it's even less pronounced with White cos he rarely makes the loud, jump-into-your-living-room plays Smart does. People tend to hate him more once the threes don't fall (as if winning basketball games is all about shooting).
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Post#529 » by Feed Your Head » Sun Jan 1, 2023 10:50 pm

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SuperDeluxe wrote:White appears in four of the top 13 pairings. That must be a fluke because I keep reading that he sucks and needs to be traded.


It’s the new Marcus Smart litmus test for who knows basketball.

Different type of players, similar high impact. Their contributions largely go unnoticed because they don't make the box score. Well it's even less pronounced with White cos he rarely makes the loud, jump-into-your-living-room plays Smart does. People tend to hate him more once the threes don't fall (as if winning basketball games is all about shooting).


Like I used to say about Smart, holding the ball and missing multiple assignments defensively are a whole lot more harmful than missing three 3s instead of two.
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Post#530 » by Feed Your Head » Sun Jan 1, 2023 10:52 pm

Bostondave wrote:I don't like this guy and aren't totally sure why. I just don't like him. I think it might have something to do with him just being so soft, tentative. Kinda weak. I've seen him assert, but it's so rare and it's never gamewise. It's just for a play or two and that's it. Giving flashes of what he could be, what he should perhaps be. And that's on D and O.


It’s because you don’t recognize impactful basketball.
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Post#531 » by Bostondave » Sun Jan 1, 2023 11:42 pm

Ya no. "Impactful" and White just don't go together. I mean he comes in and usually doesn't do any harm, but he doesn't make any impact. Like a place holder or bookmark. He's just there marking time until someone else comes in. He himself doesn't do anything. I guess he doesn't hurt, but it's tough to tell with all the switching that happens these days how to judge defense. His whole attitude seems to just shrink away from doing anything. Passive. Soft. Tentative. Kinda weak. He does have brief flashes though, but then it's like he's sorry about it and retreats back into mediocrity.
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Post#532 » by Feed Your Head » Mon Jan 2, 2023 12:21 am

Bostondave wrote:Ya no. "Impactful" and White just don't go together. I mean he comes in and usually doesn't do any harm, but he doesn't make any impact. Like a place holder or bookmark. He's just there marking time until someone else comes in. He himself doesn't do anything. I guess he doesn't hurt, but it's tough to tell with all the switching that happens these days how to judge defense. His whole attitude seems to just shrink away from doing anything. Passive. Soft. Tentative. Kinda weak. He does have brief flashes though, but then it's like he's sorry about it and retreats back into mediocrity.


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Post#533 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Mon Jan 2, 2023 12:27 am

Bostondave wrote:Ya no. "Impactful" and White just don't go together. I mean he comes in and usually doesn't do any harm, but he doesn't make any impact. Like a place holder or bookmark. He's just there marking time until someone else comes in. He himself doesn't do anything. I guess he doesn't hurt, but it's tough to tell with all the switching that happens these days how to judge defense. His whole attitude seems to just shrink away from doing anything. Passive. Soft. Tentative. Kinda weak. He does have brief flashes though, but then it's like he's sorry about it and retreats back into mediocrity.

Explain why he is number one in the entire league in net rating among rotation players then (min. 20 GP, 20 MPG).
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Post#534 » by Feed Your Head » Mon Jan 2, 2023 12:29 am

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Bostondave wrote:Ya no. "Impactful" and White just don't go together. I mean he comes in and usually doesn't do any harm, but he doesn't make any impact. Like a place holder or bookmark. He's just there marking time until someone else comes in. He himself doesn't do anything. I guess he doesn't hurt, but it's tough to tell with all the switching that happens these days how to judge defense. His whole attitude seems to just shrink away from doing anything. Passive. Soft. Tentative. Kinda weak. He does have brief flashes though, but then it's like he's sorry about it and retreats back into mediocrity.

Explain why he is number one in the entire league in net rating among rotation players then (min. 20 GP, 20 MPG).


It’s those gosh darn fancy new stats that show exactly how a team plays with players on the court. I just don’t understand them so I ignore them.
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Post#535 » by Fencer reregistered » Mon Jan 2, 2023 12:36 am

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Bostondave wrote:I don't like this guy and aren't totally sure why. I just don't like him. I think it might have something to do with him just being so soft, tentative. Kinda weak. I've seen him assert, but it's so rare and it's never gamewise. It's just for a play or two and that's it. Giving flashes of what he could be, what he should perhaps be. And that's on D and O.


It’s because you don’t recognize impactful basketball.


White is aggressive on defense. In particular, he's passive-aggressive.

He's an obstreperous pest even as his facial expressions and body language seem to convey an "aw shucks" attitude.
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Post#536 » by Bostondave » Mon Jan 2, 2023 2:01 am

Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:
Bostondave wrote:Ya no. "Impactful" and White just don't go together. I mean he comes in and usually doesn't do any harm, but he doesn't make any impact. Like a place holder or bookmark. He's just there marking time until someone else comes in. He himself doesn't do anything. I guess he doesn't hurt, but it's tough to tell with all the switching that happens these days how to judge defense. His whole attitude seems to just shrink away from doing anything. Passive. Soft. Tentative. Kinda weak. He does have brief flashes though, but then it's like he's sorry about it and retreats back into mediocrity.

Explain why he is number one in the entire league in net rating among rotation players then (min. 20 GP, 20 MPG).

I dunno. You explain to me how that type of player is "inpactful".
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Post#537 » by fallguy » Mon Jan 2, 2023 5:38 am

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Bostondave wrote:Ya no. "Impactful" and White just don't go together. I mean he comes in and usually doesn't do any harm, but he doesn't make any impact. Like a place holder or bookmark. He's just there marking time until someone else comes in. He himself doesn't do anything. I guess he doesn't hurt, but it's tough to tell with all the switching that happens these days how to judge defense. His whole attitude seems to just shrink away from doing anything. Passive. Soft. Tentative. Kinda weak. He does have brief flashes though, but then it's like he's sorry about it and retreats back into mediocrity.

Explain why he is number one in the entire league in net rating among rotation players then (min. 20 GP, 20 MPG).

I dunno. You explain to me how that type of player is "inpactful".


You are willfully ignorant and as such I grant you the Humblebum Memorial Award for **** posting.
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Post#538 » by Floody100 » Mon Jan 2, 2023 5:54 am

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Bostondave wrote:Ya no. "Impactful" and White just don't go together. I mean he comes in and usually doesn't do any harm, but he doesn't make any impact. Like a place holder or bookmark. He's just there marking time until someone else comes in. He himself doesn't do anything. I guess he doesn't hurt, but it's tough to tell with all the switching that happens these days how to judge defense. His whole attitude seems to just shrink away from doing anything. Passive. Soft. Tentative. Kinda weak. He does have brief flashes though, but then it's like he's sorry about it and retreats back into mediocrity.

Explain why he is number one in the entire league in net rating among rotation players then (min. 20 GP, 20 MPG).

I dunno. You explain to me how that type of player is "inpactful".


He just did …
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Post#539 » by Bostondave » Mon Jan 2, 2023 11:38 am

No really. I understand being tops in rebs, points, steals, assists all having trememdous impact on a team. How does "net rating" do that?
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Post#540 » by Hal14 » Mon Jan 2, 2023 4:20 pm

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