Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30)
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30)
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30)
Wow nice bag for Bruce Brown. Now Denver has to sign and trade for Grant in order to compete. Hopefully they give us Christian Braun.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30)
Man Marcus Smart messed up extending early. Jesus Christ that Bruce Brown number is wild

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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30)
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30)
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Indy swooped in and gave him a baaaag. I don’t think he’s worth that but happy for a local guy
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30)
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30)
The_Ghost_of_JB wrote:playa-hater wrote:Gabe Vincent to Toronto
Why would Toronto do this unless FVV is out?
Maybe FVV hesitated and Toronto said F U
2 things need to go.. my lack of spell check and Joe.. 

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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30)
Celts17Pride wrote:DeAndre Jordan back to Denver. Good for him.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30)
cloverleaf wrote:Hal14 wrote:2023: nuggets backup PG was Reggie Jackson, who sat on the bench for the entire playoff run. Murray starting PG. Brown and KC were wings.
2022: warriors backup PG was nobody. Poole is a 2, Payton was a 2. Klay is a 2/3
2021: Bucks backup PG was Bryn Forbes, who barely played in the playoffs for them (9th on the team in minutes). Pritchard is just as good as him
2020: the only had 1 PG who got minutes and it was Rondo, who only played 24 MPG in the playoffs
2019: Raptors backup PG was Vanvleet. No other PG got mins for them
The NBA has evolved. It's not like the 80's 90's and early 2000's where teams had a PG who ran the show, was the floor general, brought the ball up the floor and got into a PnR or some other set.
Now, in 2023 way more guys can handle the ball. You've got bigger dudes like Paul George, KD, Tatum and Siakam who can handle the ball out on the perimeter, initiate the offense, make slick passes, etc. With all these wings/forwards who can do this stuff (and are pretty much just as quick/mobile as most guards) you can afford to have an extra wing on the floor (and perhaps 1 less guard) like how the C's play JB at the 2 and Tatum at the 3, or how the nuggets play KCP at the 2 and MPJ at the 3 - in both scenarios, the team only has 1 traditional "guard" on the floor.
You've got many teams (like the warriors with Draymond the KIngs with Sabonis, the Nuggets with Jokic, Miami with Bam, celtics with rob and al, sixers with Embiid, etc.) who frequently run offense through their bigs out on the high post, at the elbows, beyond the 3 pt line or from the low post. Since the big is used as a playmaker, there's less of a need to have a traditional PG on the floor with them.
It's the era of positionless basketball.
Lastly, by going with bigger lineups that have only 1 guard (or 0 PGs, maybe just 1 guard who's a combo guard) you're able to overwhelm your opponent with size, you can more easily score near the basket, more easily get rebounds, it's harder for your small opponents to shoot over you, easier for you to shoot and see over the top of the defense when facing smaller teams, etc. And since in today's NBA there's way more players who can handle the ball, more players who are playmakers, more wings/forwards who move like guards, more bigs who move like forwards - you can get away with a bigger lineup that has only 1 guard (or 0 PGs, maybe just 1 guard who's a combo guard).
Except the Jays need someone to be their quicker/better brains out on the court. They can't keep looking to JB as a secondary ball handler. Smart was as bad as JT at slowing down their play in second halves. Their bigs process more quickly, but they still need a thinking/instinctive PG out there.
Sure. Which is why we have White. And if White's not on the floor, we have Brogdon.
If we move Brogdon, then yes we should try getting another guard (someone like Jevon Carter, Monte Morris, etc.
But I don't think we necessarily need to add another guard with the way the roster stands today.
Nothing wrong with having a different opinion - as long as it's done respectfully. It'd be lame if we all agreed on everything 
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30)
Bruce Brown is to 2023 as Evan Turner is to 2016.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30)
Froob wrote:Man Marcus Smart messed up extending early. Jesus Christ that Bruce Brown number is wild
Especially in this CBA era, that’s a metric **** ton for him on what will at best be a one and some team. But again, happy for him
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30)
I don't get this new found love for Taurean Prince. Common Lakers L
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30)
BK_2020 wrote:Wow nice bag for Bruce Brown. Now Denver has to sign and trade for Grant in order to compete. Hopefully they give us Christian Braun.
That'd be kind of a lateral move for Denver.
Nothing wrong with having a different opinion - as long as it's done respectfully. It'd be lame if we all agreed on everything 
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30)
Okay, fine, just give JB Jerami Grant money, no penny more.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30)
Grant back to Portland 5 yrs $160 million
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30)
5 years 160 million for Jerami Grant to Portland . SMDH
2 things need to go.. my lack of spell check and Joe.. 

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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30)
zoyathedestroya wrote:Okay, fine, just give JB Jerami Grant money, no penny more.
Overpay central already and we are only a few minutes in!
Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30)
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30)
We already have Hauser and Kornet. Don't need any of these guys. Stevens A++.





