Trade Thread 2017: Not Once, Not twice, But Thrice!

[Green89]

Boston in: Butler, Bogut, Chi '17 1st
Boston out: Brown, Bradley, Rozier, Zeller, BK '17 1st, BK '18 1st, Min '17 2nd

Chicago in: Brown, Bradley, Rozier, BK '17 1st, BK '18 1st
Chicago out: Butler, Chi '17 1st

Dallas in: Zeller, Min '17 2nd
Dallas out: Bogut

Thomas / Smart / Jackson
Butler / Green / Young
Crowder / Jerebko
Horford / Johnson / Mickey
Bogut / Olynyk

We trade both BK picks but get a potential lottery pick for this year from Chicago to balance this out.

Thoughts?

Butler doesn't get us over the top or even close. CLE will rip us as they have more depth. I'd just keep the pick, but this pretty much depends on what Danny's opinion is on the upcoming draft as that BKN pick could very likely end up top 3.

Why are we acting like if one trade is not going to get us over Cleveland, it's not worth doing. Do you think there is one single trade out there that's going to make us instant champions? Holding the pick is going to put is in championship status in what, 4 years from now or longer??

Getting Butler and a big like Bogut puts us into a competitive series with Cleveland. Gets us past them, not so sure, but we could make it a series.

[OFWGKTA]

I'm not moving Crowder unless it is a clear upgrade or until Brown is ready. From what I've understood, Covington is having a down year and Noel is due a contract that will really hinder our capspace this offseason. I would pass.

Rozier and Crowder make a combined $8,784,637 next year, Covington will make $1,087,745, Noel's cap hold I believe will be $10,961,225, so $12,048,970 combined. Total added salary of $3,264,333, that can be made up by renouncing Olynyk.

Covington hasn't shot the ball well this year, but has been a beast defensively. For his career, he's shooting 35% from 3 on 6.4 attempts a game, he should trend back to that. He's also a better rebounder than Crowder, and better suited to play some small ball 4 (6'9).

So the deal would have us upgrading on defense and rebounding from the 3/5, and taking a slight hit to our shooting if Covington gets back to normal.

Perhaps. I just think we could acquire these players (or similar) for less. I'm not sure if this trade is worth rocking the boat for. Besides a terrible collapse last night (without Bradley who would have been incredibly useful), we are playing well. We do need a rebounder though. I'd rather make a smaller deal for Bogut.

The way I'm seeing it, we get Noel who fills a glaring need of ours, maintain cap space (Hayward), and get Crowder-lite back at a way cheaper deal for 1 year instead of three. Even if we didn't get Hayward, Brown should be ready to take the Covington/Crowder role as the starting SF by year 3.

[cl2117]

Crowder, Rozier, and the Memphis pick for Noel and Covington

I'm not moving Crowder unless it is a clear upgrade or until Brown is ready. From what I've understood, Covington is having a down year and Noel is due a contract that will really hinder our capspace this offseason. I would pass.

Rozier and Crowder make a combined $8,784,637 next year, Covington will make $1,087,745, Noel's cap hold I believe will be $10,961,225, so $12,048,970 combined. Total added salary of $3,264,333, that can be made up by renouncing Olynyk.

Covington hasn't shot the ball well this year, but has been a beast defensively. For his career, he's shooting 35% from 3 on 6.4 attempts a game, he should trend back to that. He's also a better rebounder than Crowder, and better suited to play some small ball 4 (6'9).

So the deal would have us upgrading on defense and rebounding from the 3/5, and taking a slight hit to our shooting if Covington gets back to normal.

Noel will make more than just his cap hold though and Cov's deal ends after next year while Jae's super under-market deal extends for 3 more after this.

Might as well just make a run at Noel in RFA and keep Crowder over Cov.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I'm not moving Crowder unless it is a clear upgrade or until Brown is ready. From what I've understood, Covington is having a down year and Noel is due a contract that will really hinder our capspace this offseason. I would pass.

Rozier and Crowder make a combined $8,784,637 next year, Covington will make $1,087,745, Noel's cap hold I believe will be $10,961,225, so $12,048,970 combined. Total added salary of $3,264,333, that can be made up by renouncing Olynyk.

Covington hasn't shot the ball well this year, but has been a beast defensively. For his career, he's shooting 35% from 3 on 6.4 attempts a game, he should trend back to that. He's also a better rebounder than Crowder, and better suited to play some small ball 4 (6'9).

So the deal would have us upgrading on defense and rebounding from the 3/5, and taking a slight hit to our shooting if Covington gets back to normal.

Noel will make more than just his cap hold though and Cov's deal ends after next year while Jae's super under-market deal extends for 3 more after this.

Might as well just make a run at Noel in RFA and keep Crowder over Cov.

This trade allows us to still sign Hayward though. Hayward and Noel >> Crowder and Hayward.

I like the trade, but would hold onto the Memphis pick. I see Rozier for Covington as mostly fair (Philly might be giving up slightly more value) and Crowder for Noel as mostly fair (Boston may be giving up slightly more value). No need to add the pick, especially when Crowder fits them perfectly and is cheap as hell for 3 more years.

[FlatearthZorro]

Honestly guys I'm ready to move on from all the bigs on our roster outside of Horford. All of them, I wouldn't miss a single one of them. I'd rather us bringing Yabu and Zizi, signing a vet big to a short term contract(if we dont get a "star) while having Horford on the team. Maybe keep Mickey if Danny thinks the guy has any potential in the future(he's only in his 2nd year).

I agree man. I made this exact statement last year. At least now we added in Horford.. but beyond that...I wouldn't miss a single big on the roster. KO, Jonas, Amir, Zeller...bye bye

Zizic probably takes one of their spots next year...but the rest might be back. Yabusele is tough to say.

I would take Jerebko back, but I don't want anyone else.

I can bet Zeller/Amir are gone. Unless something dramatic happens, same goes for KO as I expect a team like say SAC or some1 crazy to go with 15-18 mils a year at him and I don't want his sorry ass back. I'm just really tired of soft ass bigs.

[Bohemian]

Flawed as he is, Evan Turner was a really valuable player for the second unit because he could create his own shot and make things happen on the offensive end. With Crowder missing in action and Bradley out injured it was easy for the Raps to focus on IT and minimize our offensive threat.

We need a big and a wing, that´s for sure

[Marvel]

Covington > Crowder.

[Renegade_H]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jtjecqg

PHI out: Noel, Okafor, Ilyasova, PHI17
PHI in: McCollum, Crowder, Olynyk

CHI out: Butler, Lopez
CHI in: Okafor, Brown, Ilyasova, Johnson, BKN17, BOS18

BOS out: Brown, Crowder, Olynyk, Johnson, BKN17, BOS18
BOS in: Butler, Lopez, Quarterman

POR out: McCollum, Quarterman
POR in: Noel, PHI17

how do you like that?

Wait....... a philly fan proposed this? I'm kind of surprised that you wouldn't expect more back from Noel and Okafor

yeah i think its not that great value wise for us, but noel and okafor are just expendable with embeast also, i dont value our pick that high, cause with that trade, it would probably fall down to late lotto range. those 2 would fit like a glove

next season:

embiid/bogut(fa)
simmons/saric
crowder/covington
mccollum/monk(lakers pick)
lowry(FA)/bayless

^thats a wet dream for me

WAT? We are not giving up our 1st plus 2 other 1st round players for McCollum, Crowder and Olynk.

We can draft two of Fultz/Ball/DSJ/Monk/Isaac/Tatum/Giles. This draft is too heavy to give away picks for the sake of it.

[cl2117]

Rozier and Crowder make a combined $8,784,637 next year, Covington will make $1,087,745, Noel's cap hold I believe will be $10,961,225, so $12,048,970 combined. Total added salary of $3,264,333, that can be made up by renouncing Olynyk.

Covington hasn't shot the ball well this year, but has been a beast defensively. For his career, he's shooting 35% from 3 on 6.4 attempts a game, he should trend back to that. He's also a better rebounder than Crowder, and better suited to play some small ball 4 (6'9).

So the deal would have us upgrading on defense and rebounding from the 3/5, and taking a slight hit to our shooting if Covington gets back to normal.

Noel will make more than just his cap hold though and Cov's deal ends after next year while Jae's super under-market deal extends for 3 more after this.

Might as well just make a run at Noel in RFA and keep Crowder over Cov.

This trade allows us to still sign Hayward though. Hayward and Noel >> Crowder and Hayward.

I like the trade, but would hold onto the Memphis pick. I see Rozier for Covington as mostly fair (Philly might be giving up slightly more value) and Crowder for Noel as mostly fair (Boston may be giving up slightly more value). No need to add the pick, especially when Crowder fits them perfectly and is cheap as hell for 3 more years.

That's assuming you get Hayward. If he stays in Utah you're stuck with Noel on significantly more than his cap hold and Covington 1 year before he gets paid more than Crowder and we lose that trade. Too risky just to grab Noel.

Keep Crowder, if Hayward says he's ready to sign this summer you can try to swing a deal with Jae as a centerpiece to upgrade the frontcourt.

[BigSleep333]

Wait....... a philly fan proposed this? I'm kind of surprised that you wouldn't expect more back from Noel and Okafor

yeah i think its not that great value wise for us, but noel and okafor are just expendable with embeast also, i dont value our pick that high, cause with that trade, it would probably fall down to late lotto range. those 2 would fit like a glove

next season:

embiid/bogut(fa)
simmons/saric
crowder/covington
mccollum/monk(lakers pick)
lowry(FA)/bayless

^thats a wet dream for me

WAT? We are not giving up our 1st plus 2 other 1st round players for McCollum, Crowder and Olynk.

We can draft two of Fultz/Ball/DSJ/Monk/Isaac/Tatum/Giles. This draft is too heavy to give away picks for the sake of it.

we wont finish the season bottom 5...embiid is too good. mark my words

[Green89]

Hayward may stay in Utah and the Clippers would most likely trade Blake if they didn't think he was staying put. That doesn't leave anyone significant to be worrying about saving cap space.

[Green89]

yeah i think its not that great value wise for us, but noel and okafor are just expendable with embeast also, i dont value our pick that high, cause with that trade, it would probably fall down to late lotto range. those 2 would fit like a glove

next season:

embiid/bogut(fa)
simmons/saric
crowder/covington
mccollum/monk(lakers pick)
lowry(FA)/bayless

^thats a wet dream for me

WAT? We are not giving up our 1st plus 2 other 1st round players for McCollum, Crowder and Olynk.

We can draft two of Fultz/Ball/DSJ/Monk/Isaac/Tatum/Giles. This draft is too heavy to give away picks for the sake of it.

we wont finish the season bottom 5...embiid is too good. mark my words

Right, because you're making the playoffs.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20170109_Embiid__Sixers_have_a_chance_of_making_playoffs.html

[Renegade_H]

WAT? We are not giving up our 1st plus 2 other 1st round players for McCollum, Crowder and Olynk.

We can draft two of Fultz/Ball/DSJ/Monk/Isaac/Tatum/Giles. This draft is too heavy to give away picks for the sake of it.

we wont finish the season bottom 5...embiid is too good. mark my words

If LAL pick converts, we will have two top 8 picks. Mark my words.

Right, because you're making the playoffs.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20170109_Embiid__Sixers_have_a_chance_of_making_playoffs.html

IDK I like Philadelphia's makeup much better than Boston's. You all are lucky because Billy King is an idiot. I still say we make the Finals first over you.

[BigSleep333]

WAT? We are not giving up our 1st plus 2 other 1st round players for McCollum, Crowder and Olynk.

We can draft two of Fultz/Ball/DSJ/Monk/Isaac/Tatum/Giles. This draft is too heavy to give away picks for the sake of it.

we wont finish the season bottom 5...embiid is too good. mark my words

Right, because you're making the playoffs.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20170109_Embiid__Sixers_have_a_chance_of_making_playoffs.html

he is that competitive yeah with that trade mentioned we probably would have a real chance. not with the current roster though

[BigSleep333]

we wont finish the season bottom 5...embiid is too good. mark my words

If LAL pick converts, we will have two top 8 picks. Mark my words.

yeah 6 and 8 or what? not really that exciting to not make that trade

[SmartWentCrazy]

Oh, silly me, I thought this was the Celtics trade thread...

[Green89]

Oh, silly me, I thought this was the Celtics trade thread...

There's some sort of board glitch. It seems to have been embedded into the Sixers playoff run thread.

[Renegade_H]

Oh, silly me, I thought this was the Celtics trade thread...

There's some sort of board glitch. It seems to have been embedded into the Sixers playoff run thread.

No worries dude. You can join the talk.

[SmartWentCrazy]

For what it's worth, I think the Sixers only finish bottom 3 if the Lakers try to tank. Once Simmons comes back, they'll finish 5 or 6. Embiid is improving too quickly, Simmons is very talented and Okafor can't drag down their team performance from the bench.

[Edug27]

Oh, silly me, I thought this was the Celtics trade thread...

There's some sort of board glitch. It seems to have been embedded into the Sixers playoff run thread.

Must be their version of the "KD to Boston" thread.