Summer Trade/(OffSeason) Thread 2017

[Gant]

All these prospective deals where the Cs ship out salaries and take back salaries, like Love, mean the Cs are abandoning the free agent market, or at least the free agent market for a max guy like Hayward or Griffin.

Danny the GM strikes me as more inclined to go the FA route and get a stud asset for free, while gaining more assets by trading Bradley, Crowder and the like for capspace and future no. 1 picks. That is the smart play long term.

Now if it is clear that Hayward and Griffin are off the market, the trade route could be Plan B....

Freeing up space for Gordon means dumping KO and one of Smart/Bradley/Crowder and either Rozier or Yabs too. I think Danny should target the vet he wants - whether it be Hayward, Griffin, George etc. and try to get him. There really isn't that much difference in my mind between trading 2018 Nets pick (unclear value honestly at this time) for a 19 mil George or dumping Smart to pay Hayward 30 million. Personally I'd rather have George.

Except in this example they wouldn't be dumping Smart; they'd be trading Smart for assets. In other words they get Hayward for nothing and trade Smart for something of equal value.

[sam_I_am]

In light of apparent gap between GSW and CLE and clear gap between Celts and Cavs.... should we abandon win now mentality?

Maybe signing KO and Smart long term and trading Horford, Bradley and/or IT to try to get another lottery pick and build for 2020 isn't so crazy. What is Ball or Tatum are available at picks 5 or 6?

If you could trade our vets - Bradley and IT in last year of deals ( other picks as needed ) - and get picks 5 and 10 and ended up with Fultz, Tatum and Isaac...... is the a viable option? Sure you miss out on a Gordon Hayward.

You roll out a team of KO, Isaac, Zizac, Yabs, Jaylen, Smart, Fultz, Tatum.....

Or imagine a backcourt of Fultz, Ball, Smart. Then you have 2 potential lottery picks next year too - Nets and our own pick.

Not saying we should do this, just entertaining the concept.

[sam_I_am]

All these prospective deals where the Cs ship out salaries and take back salaries, like Love, mean the Cs are abandoning the free agent market, or at least the free agent market for a max guy like Hayward or Griffin.

Danny the GM strikes me as more inclined to go the FA route and get a stud asset for free, while gaining more assets by trading Bradley, Crowder and the like for capspace and future no. 1 picks. That is the smart play long term.

Now if it is clear that Hayward and Griffin are off the market, the trade route could be Plan B....

Freeing up space for Gordon means dumping KO and one of Smart/Bradley/Crowder and either Rozier or Yabs too. I think Danny should target the vet he wants - whether it be Hayward, Griffin, George etc. and try to get him. There really isn't that much difference in my mind between trading 2018 Nets pick (unclear value honestly at this time) for a 19 mil George or dumping Smart to pay Hayward 30 million. Personally I'd rather have George.

Except in this example they wouldn't be dumping Smart; they'd be trading Smart for assets. In other words they get Hayward for nothing and trade Smart for something of equal value.

Future pick is only thing that would not bring back salary. What is 1 year of Smart going to net - second round pick? Does that help us?

[Gant]

Freeing up space for Gordon means dumping KO and one of Smart/Bradley/Crowder and either Rozier or Yabs too. I think Danny should target the vet he wants - whether it be Hayward, Griffin, George etc. and try to get him. There really isn't that much difference in my mind between trading 2018 Nets pick (unclear value honestly at this time) for a 19 mil George or dumping Smart to pay Hayward 30 million. Personally I'd rather have George.

Except in this example they wouldn't be dumping Smart; they'd be trading Smart for assets. In other words they get Hayward for nothing and trade Smart for something of equal value.

Future pick is only thing that would not bring back salary. What is 1 year of Smart going to net - second round pick? Does that help us?

Wouldn't the team trading for Smart have him in restricted free agent status? In which case he'd still have value in a trade. There are some of teams out there that could really use him.

Besides it doesn't have to be Smart going out to get Hayward. The Celtics can trade the appropriate vet who brings back value and still get Hayward for nothing. If no one wants to give a good pick for Smart, they will for someone else.

[sam_I_am]

Except in this example they wouldn't be dumping Smart; they'd be trading Smart for assets. In other words they get Hayward for nothing and trade Smart for something of equal value.

Future pick is only thing that would not bring back salary. What is 1 year of Smart going to net - second round pick? Does that help us?

Wouldn't the team trading for Smart have him in restricted free agent status? In which case he'd still have value in a trade. There are some of teams out there that could really use him.

Besides it doesn't have to be Smart going out to get Hayward. The Celtics can trade the appropriate vet who brings back value and still get Hayward for nothing. If no one wants to give a good pick for Smart, they will for someone else.

Agreed. I think Smart is going to be a late bloomer offensively like Billups and Kyle Lowry. Eventually he is going to be nearly as good as them. But right now he isn't so I don't think he'd fetch much in a trade.

[Celts17Pride]

I think Smart is going to be a late bloomer offensively like Billups and Kyle Lowry.

Not a chance. Smart pretty much is what he is unless he loses about 20-25 lbs. Smart has zero lift.

[greenroom31]

I think Smart is going to be a late bloomer offensively like Billups and Kyle Lowry.

Not a chance. Smart pretty much is what he is unless he loses about 20-25 lbs. Smart has zero lift.

Watch on YouTube

[ConstableGeneva]

I think Smart is going to be a late bloomer offensively like Billups and Kyle Lowry.

Not a chance. Smart pretty much is what he is unless he loses about 20-25 lbs. Smart has zero lift.

Watch on YouTube

Jumps off a trampoline for putbacks and chasedown blocks, but he has next-to-zero lift with the ball in his hands.

[sam_I_am]

I think Smart is going to be a late bloomer offensively like Billups and Kyle Lowry.

Not a chance. Smart pretty much is what he is unless he loses about 20-25 lbs. Smart has zero lift.

Billups was drafted in 1996 at age 21 and had his breakout season in 2002 for TWoves at age 27. Marcus has accomplished a lot more at age 23. Billups was tossed around like hot garbage playing for 4 teams in 4 years. Smart has his flaws but he helps this 53 win team immensely. I think you undersell him.

[Celts17Pride]

I think Smart is going to be a late bloomer offensively like Billups and Kyle Lowry.

Not a chance. Smart pretty much is what he is unless he loses about 20-25 lbs. Smart has zero lift.

Billups was drafted in 1996 at age 21 and had his breakout season in 2002 for TWoves at age 27. Marcus has accomplished a lot more at age 23. Billups was tossed around like hot garbage playing for 4 teams in 4 years. Smart has his flaws but he helps this 53 win team immensely. I think you undersell him.

I never said Smart was a bad player or doesn't contribute to winning basketball.

What I said is Marcus Smart will never be as good offensively as Lowry or Billups and I will stand by that statement

[Afam]

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[watsonthedragon]

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NO says no. But man... Can Hayward play the 2?

IT
Hayward
Crowder
Davis
Horford

That's a good team.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

One injury to davis and that team has zero future.

[Fidel Sarcasmo]

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Way too rich of a hall. Waaaay too rich. I mean I want him as much as the next guy, but this is easily a hard pass.

[Darth Celtic]

makes you wonder if Danny is keeping the Nets pick open in case the pelicans change their mind at the deadline this year.

If Fultz is the real deal, you trade everything you can at the deadline. Nets 18, celtics 18, clippers 19, griz 19, celtics 20 Bradley and filler for AD.

[pfm]

I absolutely take that.

[KyleCleric]

Probably do the Davis deal. It would take us out of being able to sign Hayward. We'd re-sign Olynyk and probably Jerebko. We'd have MLE to provide depth at SG/SF.

IT/Rozier/Jackson
Smart
Crowder/Nader
Horford/Jerebko/Yabusele/Mickey
Davis/Olynyk/Zizic

[OFWGKTA]

Probably do the Davis deal. It would take us out of being able to sign Hayward. We'd re-sign Olynyk and probably Jerebko. We'd have MLE to provide depth at SG/SF.

IT/Rozier/Jackson
Smart
Crowder/Nader
Horford/Jerebko/Yabusele/Mickey
Davis/Olynyk/Zizic

Wouldn't take us out of the running for Hayward, Brown+AB+Fultz is about a 2 mil difference in salary from AD. Could also sign Hayward first, then make the trade.

[Stadium5]

CLE Incoming:
Avery Bradley
Isaiah Thomas
Jae Crowder
Al Horford

BOS Incoming:
2019 CLE 1st
2021 CLE 1st
2023 CLE 1st
JR Smith
Tristan Thompson
Channing Frye
Iman Shumpert

lol

[DowJones]

Would Boston do a Love for Crowder-Smart-Bradley-2019 LAC 1st deal? This trade would make Hayward more likely to sign and open PT for Fultz and Brown.