All things Draft Pick. #3

[Shamrock]

We will have one crack at it. If you get LAL 5 next season...and Philly gets number one via SAC in '19 that won't look so good, will it? Philly took ZERO risk. They have a safety valve by not giving up both picks unprotected, straight up.

People keep missing this and it needs to be hammered home.

I think it's more likely we get the Sac pick than the Lakers pick. The Lakers were playing good ball for the first part of the season and slowly fell apart to tank. I fully expect them to try to win every game next season and end up in the late part of the lottery. Even if that pick conveys that's still good value. The 3rd pick and a 2-5 pick next year is a solid deal for the #1

[Edug27]

A lot of Jimmy Butler talk... but couple reasons why PG makes more sense..

1. He's younger
2. Lower price tag to acquire
3. Better shooter
4. Mentioned IT was the player he was most excited to play with in the All Star game
5. Retweeted, then deleted, a quote by Pierce saying Boston should trade the top overall pick
6. Zach Lowe reported earlier that George wanted to play with Hayward.
7. Lakers and Clippers suck. Danny should be willing to call his bluff on actually wanting to sign there.
8. IT / George / Hayward / Horford is a legit team. A defensive center away from being a legit contender.

I'm a much bigger George fan than Butler, but wouldn't you worry a lot more about giving up a huge package for George that he might leave for LA?

To reason #7, I don't believe that hype for some reason. He wants to win.. Neither LA team will be in a position to do so soon.

[TheMartian]

There was also a video on the last thread about Jalen Rose speculating that the C's will be picking the #3 for another team - in this case, I'm curious he mentioned Indiana and not Chicago - and that Josh Jackson should be the pick as he believes JJ is the best player in the draft. Is there any traction on trades with IND involving the #3 and PG13?

Steven A. said the same thing that we would be trading the pick, but to the Bulls in a package deal for a Butler. Steven A. has ties to the Sixers and said that that's why the Celtics made the trade with Philly.

So it's really Butler they're going after and not PG? I was hoping for PG as I think he's the better player and a better fit for the C's.

[BigTrade92]

"Reports"

That is all


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Reports say a lot of things. Said we were getting that Lakers pick AND the Sacremento pick. Turns out it was only one and that one is protected.

Sometimes the truth is worse than the reports.

You're not helping your credibility by continuing to site the fact that the pick is protected. The protections in all likelihood are good for the Celtics - not bad.

So if the Lakers end up getting the #1 overall pick next year, Philly gets to keep it and add to their core.

How exactly is that good for the Celtics?

Please explain, I'd love to hear from a "credible" poster....

[TheMartian]

A lot of Jimmy Butler talk... but couple reasons why PG makes more sense..

1. He's younger
2. Lower price tag to acquire
3. Better shooter
4. Mentioned IT was the player he was most excited to play with in the All Star game
5. Retweeted, then deleted, a quote by Pierce saying Boston should trade the top overall pick
6. Zach Lowe reported earlier that George wanted to play with Hayward.
7. Lakers and Clippers suck. Danny should be willing to call his bluff on actually wanting to sign there.
8. IT / George / Hayward / Horford is a legit team. A defensive center away from being a legit contender.

I'm a much bigger George fan than Butler, but wouldn't you worry a lot more about giving up a huge package for George that he might leave for LA?

To reason #7, I don't believe that hype for some reason. He wants to win.. Neither LA team will be in a position to do so soon.

Yes, I believe Danny is willing to call George's bluff on wanting to go to LA.

[ConstableGeneva]

A lot of Jimmy Butler talk... but couple reasons why PG makes more sense..

1. He's younger
2. Lower price tag to acquire
3. Better shooter
4. Mentioned IT was the player he was most excited to play with in the All Star game
5. Retweeted, then deleted, a quote by Pierce saying Boston should trade the top overall pick
6. Zach Lowe reported earlier that George wanted to play with Hayward.
7. Lakers and Clippers suck. Danny should be willing to call his bluff on actually wanting to sign there.
8. IT / George / Hayward / Horford is a legit team. A defensive center away from being a legit contender.

9. Has gone toe-to-toe with Lebron in the playoffs multiple times and lived to tell about it.
10. His jersey number isn't retired yet.
11. I don't want him joining the Cavs.
12. He already loves our system:

If you look at (Boston's) roster," Pacers star Paul George said after the game, "everybody knows what to expect out of everybody. There's never a moment where a guy is like 'What kind of shot are you taking?' or 'What are you doing?' They are beyond that."

SIGN ME UP.

At what cost?

Max offer... One of #3 or Brown. One of Crowder or Bradley. One of Yabu or Rozier.
Of course, if Cs can lowball them by excluding the #3/LAL/BKN, all the better.

[aim2please]

PG or Butler is an interesting debate.

For me, PG >> Bulter and it's not even close. And I like Butler. If Paul George is willing to commit long term, I would be willing to go for it. IT, PG and Horford are a really solid pitch to Hayward/Griffin. That team has a fighting chance.

As bows said earlier, PG is a year younger, better shooter and bigger. On top of that, Butler's health is a question mark. I wouldn't be surprised if he breaks down entering his 30s, Luol Deng style. Dude lead the league in minutes every year under Thibs.

I honestly believe that PG's price is going to be lower than Butler's because Indiana is running out of time/ PG can kill any trade by saying I'm not staying there. Only problem is if he's determined to play for the Lakers.

[Captain_Caveman]

A lot of Jimmy Butler talk... but couple reasons why PG makes more sense..

1. He's younger
2. Lower price tag to acquire
3. Better shooter
4. Mentioned IT was the player he was most excited to play with in the All Star game
5. Retweeted, then deleted, a quote by Pierce saying Boston should trade the top overall pick
6. Zach Lowe reported earlier that George wanted to play with Hayward.
7. Lakers and Clippers suck. Danny should be willing to call his bluff on actually wanting to sign there.
8. IT / George / Hayward / Horford is a legit team. A defensive center away from being a legit contender.

Counterpoints:
1. Major flight risk in a year.
2. Plays the same position as our top FA target.
3. Will get murdered in the lux tax in 2018-19 if we resign both him and IT.
4. Lower price tag to acquire highly debatable.
5. He's only younger by half a year.

[bwgood77]

3 for Bender/4 so the Suns can get Jackson?

It's hard to know how much the Suns like Jackson. They worked out Tatum and Isaac each twice, and Isaac shut down his workout and said he wasn't working out for anyone picking after 4 after his Phx workout. My gut tells me they want Isaac, but have Tatum as a fallback. At the same time, perhaps they didn't imagine Jackson could drop. In any case I don't think they'd give Bender to move up.

[FuriousRiles]

If we keep the pick I think it's going to be Isaac.

He's already worked out for us and is only working out for the teams with top 4 picks. https://www.sbnation.com/2017/6/14/15800740/jonathan-isaac-nba-draft-workout-rumor-suns-celtics-magic. He projects to fit the modern NBA and our system. He's a near 7 footer that can put the ball on the floor, hit 3's, rebound, and block shots. Needs to put on weight but that's easier to address than a poor shot. He was a 6'6" guard in HS before growing and may still be growing.

if we are truly going after Hayward how do either JJ or Tatum fit? JJ wants to play right away and reportedly may not workout for us. With JB, Crowder, and Hayward(?) I just don't see how JJ gets on the floor much. Tatum will have the same minutes challenge and how does a ISO player (been compared to Carmelo) fit with Brad's system?

Also what benefit would their be for Ainge with letting the Lakers know are target list http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report-celtics-top-four-in-draft-are-fultz-josh-jackson-jayson-tatum-and-lonzo-ball/

Obviously this is all out the window if we trade the pick but if we keep it... I think it's going to be Isaac.

[rickrolled]

A lot of Jimmy Butler talk... but couple reasons why PG makes more sense..

1. He's younger
2. Lower price tag to acquire
3. Better shooter
4. Mentioned IT was the player he was most excited to play with in the All Star game
5. Retweeted, then deleted, a quote by Pierce saying Boston should trade the top overall pick
6. Zach Lowe reported earlier that George wanted to play with Hayward.
7. Lakers and Clippers suck. Danny should be willing to call his bluff on actually wanting to sign there.
8. IT / George / Hayward / Horford is a legit team. A defensive center away from being a legit contender.

Lost in some of the trade threads around here..someone said they heard zach lowe say the price would be crowder, zeller, plus either jerebko/olynyk and a 2nd rounder for PG is that true?

[gdagod10]

If all we have to do to clear max space is to trade Rozier than I wouldn't be surprised if we draft DSJ. He's the only prospect we've had in twice and Ainges quotes about knowing prospects before college is interesting...DSJ was ranked higher than Fultz in HS. Also if theres any truth to us trading for George or signing Hayward, than Jackson or Tatum would get like 10 mins a game.

[BRUNiNHO91]

If LA is 2-5 next year we get the pick. If not we get SAC's '19 1st round pick

OH ****..he managed to talk that Sacto pick in there?

That might be better than the LA 18. Idk what to root for now..

Sacramento 2019

Anyway, after sleeping on it the way I look at is if Ainge doesn't trade the pick and he wanted Jackson/Tatum, I would've rather him trade down than reach and take them #1

Yeah exactly..I think it's a good trade with potential to be a terrific trade. People are acting like it's a big risk for us but to me it's a hell of a bigger risk for Philly. At least we will have two cracks at it..

We will have one crack at it. If you get LAL 5 next season...and Philly gets number one via SAC in '19 that won't look so good, will it? Philly took ZERO risk. They have a safety valve by not giving up both picks unprotected, straight up.

People keep missing this and it needs to be hammered home.

Two because we still get the #3 this year.

Both picks straight up would have been an absolute sexual assault of the highest level of nasty. That's not being safe, that's just not being stupid.

This argument can be made both ways, which is why I'm saying it will be years before we know who won..however if Fultz isn't better than the 3 pick we win this trade regardless..now if that happens ANDD the LA picks falls out of top 5 and we get the Sacto 1 as you said, how good does thhat look for us? There is a very high chance that one of these guyss turns into Billy King part 2..and my money is not on Ainge. They gave us two of their assets to get one of ours without any reason to believe the other 2 won't be flat out better than the one we gave them. There is no safety valve at all..from either side.

[GregB]

A lot of Jimmy Butler talk... but couple reasons why PG makes more sense..

1. He's younger
2. Lower price tag to acquire
3. Better shooter
4. Mentioned IT was the player he was most excited to play with in the All Star game
5. Retweeted, then deleted, a quote by Pierce saying Boston should trade the top overall pick
6. Zach Lowe reported earlier that George wanted to play with Hayward.
7. Lakers and Clippers suck. Danny should be willing to call his bluff on actually wanting to sign there.
8. IT / George / Hayward / Horford is a legit team. A defensive center away from being a legit contender.

9. Has gone toe-to-toe with Lebron in the playoffs multiple times and lived to tell about it.
10. His jersey number isn't retired yet.
11. I don't want him joining the Cavs.
12. He already loves our system:

If you look at (Boston's) roster," Pacers star Paul George said after the game, "everybody knows what to expect out of everybody. There's never a moment where a guy is like 'What kind of shot are you taking?' or 'What are you doing?' They are beyond that."

SIGN ME UP.

At what cost?

I would think Crowder/Bradley or Crowder/Smart + Lakers pick could be a core.

Or Something like Bradley, Lakers pick, plus #3 or Brown would be the overpay deal. If Danny thinks this team is there with George/Hayward or George/Griffin

[Fencer reregistered]

A lot of Jimmy Butler talk... but couple reasons why PG makes more sense..

1. He's younger
2. Lower price tag to acquire
3. Better shooter
4. Mentioned IT was the player he was most excited to play with in the All Star game
5. Retweeted, then deleted, a quote by Pierce saying Boston should trade the top overall pick
6. Zach Lowe reported earlier that George wanted to play with Hayward.
7. Lakers and Clippers suck. Danny should be willing to call his bluff on actually wanting to sign there.
8. IT / George / Hayward / Horford is a legit team. A defensive center away from being a legit contender.

9. Has gone toe-to-toe with Lebron in the playoffs multiple times and lived to tell about it.
10. His jersey number isn't retired yet.
11. I don't want him joining the Cavs.
12. He already loves our system:

If you look at (Boston's) roster," Pacers star Paul George said after the game, "everybody knows what to expect out of everybody. There's never a moment where a guy is like 'What kind of shot are you taking?' or 'What are you doing?' They are beyond that."

SIGN ME UP.

Suppose the deal is #3 for George, straight-up,* with the Pacers understanding that we won't deliver the pick until some time in the summer, and both sides trusting the other not to renege.

*And it could be; the Cs would just have to ship suitable salary to other teams if it turned out that they were using their cap room to sign somebody else.

I like the idea. And my concerns about PG13 going back home to LA aren't very high at all. There aren't THAT many places for stars on teams that will or could play deep into the post-season during his prime, and I don't see why he'd lightly give one up if it's on a team he enjoys playing for.

[ViperGTS]

I think it's more likely we get the Sac pick than the Lakers pick. The Lakers were playing good ball for the first part of the season and slowly fell apart to tank. I fully expect them to try to win every game next season and end up in the late part of the lottery. Even if that pick conveys that's still good value. The 3rd pick and a 2-5 pick next year is a solid deal for the #1

No. Not when you should have had both unprotected. Anyways..will be fun seeing Ainge trade number 3 for Butler or George and still not get by Cleveland or GS. Then IT and the gang will get old and everyone will be happy. Instead of a young group of top 3 picks grinding together, they may only get 2, especially if that LAL/SAC pick is included as well.

On the delusion, which isn't being talked about enough is that Herald article.

Backlog of guards, which we heard last night. But the kicker now..that can shoot.

I seriously question any moves made by these guys if that's how they see the current guards. They can shoot...which is laughable.

[GregB]

A lot of Jimmy Butler talk... but couple reasons why PG makes more sense..

1. He's younger
2. Lower price tag to acquire
3. Better shooter
4. Mentioned IT was the player he was most excited to play with in the All Star game
5. Retweeted, then deleted, a quote by Pierce saying Boston should trade the top overall pick
6. Zach Lowe reported earlier that George wanted to play with Hayward.
7. Lakers and Clippers suck. Danny should be willing to call his bluff on actually wanting to sign there.
8. IT / George / Hayward / Horford is a legit team. A defensive center away from being a legit contender.

9. Has gone toe-to-toe with Lebron in the playoffs multiple times and lived to tell about it.
10. His jersey number isn't retired yet.
11. I don't want him joining the Cavs.
12. He already loves our system:

If you look at (Boston's) roster," Pacers star Paul George said after the game, "everybody knows what to expect out of everybody. There's never a moment where a guy is like 'What kind of shot are you taking?' or 'What are you doing?' They are beyond that."

SIGN ME UP.

At what cost?

I would think Crowder/Bradley or Crowder/Smart + Lakers pick could be a core.

Or Something like Bradley, Lakers pick, plus #3 or Brown would be the overpay deal. If Danny thinks this team is there with George/Hayward or George/Griffin. We keep Brooklyn 18 and one of Brown or #3 to continue to add to it.

[bwgood77]

I'm a much bigger George fan than Butler, but wouldn't you worry a lot more about giving up a huge package for George that he might leave for LA?

To reason #7, I don't believe that hype for some reason. He wants to win.. Neither LA team will be in a position to do so soon.

Yes, I believe Danny is willing to call George's bluff on wanting to go to LA.

I don't understand why he'd bluff that though. What would be the point? So the team you are going to wouldn't give up as much...they could use it as leverage against the Pacers? It seems like I keep reading "It's well known across the league George is going to LA."

I do think though if he went to Boston and battled the Cavs in the ECF, maybe beat them, and loved his teammates, etc, it would likely be awfully hard to leave that for a bottom team no matter who it is.

[jfs1000d]

If LA is 2-5 next year we get the pick. If not we get SAC's '19 1st round pick

OH ****..he managed to talk that Sacto pick in there?

That might be better than the LA 18. Idk what to root for now..

Sacramento 2019

Anyway, after sleeping on it the way I look at is if Ainge doesn't trade the pick and he wanted Jackson/Tatum, I would've rather him trade down than reach and take them #1

Yeah exactly..I think it's a good trade with potential to be a terrific trade. People are acting like it's a big risk for us but to me it's a hell of a bigger risk for Philly. At least we will have two cracks at it..

We will have one crack at it. If you get LAL 5 next season...and Philly gets number one via SAC in '19 that won't look so good, will it? Philly took ZERO risk. They have a safety valve by not giving up both picks unprotected, straight up.

People keep missing this and it needs to be hammered home.

Two top 5 picks for no. 1 is a good deal. We essentially dropped two spots in a draft without a dominant talent for likely top 5 pick in 18 or 19.

I wanted Fultz, I like scoring, but if Ainge wasn't enamored with Fultz and didn't think he was the piece to help us win, then what's the point? He got good value for 1. In the Bennett draft this is a heist. In the duncan draft, this would be worst trade down ever. This draft? I think it is good value, good risk.


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[Edug27]

A lot of Jimmy Butler talk... but couple reasons why PG makes more sense..

1. He's younger
2. Lower price tag to acquire
3. Better shooter
4. Mentioned IT was the player he was most excited to play with in the All Star game
5. Retweeted, then deleted, a quote by Pierce saying Boston should trade the top overall pick
6. Zach Lowe reported earlier that George wanted to play with Hayward.
7. Lakers and Clippers suck. Danny should be willing to call his bluff on actually wanting to sign there.
8. IT / George / Hayward / Horford is a legit team. A defensive center away from being a legit contender.

Counterpoints:
1. Major flight risk in a year.
2. Plays the same position as our top FA target.
3. Will get murdered in the lux tax in 2018-19 if we resign both him and IT.
4. Lower price tag to acquire highly debatable.
5. He's only younger by half a year.

1. Risk worth taking
2. Both can play the 2/3
3. The price of competing
4. Meh. Think it's fairly a one sided debate
5. Touché.