Tatum and Brown, as 1-2 Options

[Feed Your Head]

Multiple peope calling out Cave is lame, at least he will quote the people he argues with.

I do think he is selling the improvements Jaylen has made short though lol. But I am pretty confident he will come around.

You edited your post. You initially said he's been right more often than he's been wrong on the end there.

Maybe so, but has ever taken his plate of Crow and admitted when he's been wrong? Not that I've seen

Yeah the ninja edit lol, I just didn't think bringing up him being right more really mattered. And as far as him eating crow, he hasn't been wrong about something to the point where eating crow was really necessary. But if Jaylen keeps this up into the playoffs and becomes a legit top 25-30 player? I can see Cave being happy to have been wrong, he's stubborn as hell but dude loves the Celtics.

[Homerclease]

Multiple peope calling out Cave is lame, at least he will quote the people he argues with.

I do think he is selling the improvements Jaylen has made short though lol. But I am pretty confident he will come around.

You edited your post. You initially said he's been right more often than he's been wrong on the end there.

Maybe so, but has ever taken his plate of Crow and admitted when he's been wrong? Not that I've seen

Yeah the ninja edit lol, I just didn't think bringing up him being right more really mattered. And as far as him eating crow, he hasn't been wrong about something to the point where eating crow was really necessary. But if Jaylen keeps this up into the playoffs and becomes a legit top 25-30 player? I can see Cave being happy to have been wrong, he's stubborn as hell but dude loves the Celtics.

The problem is, he’s not exactly gone out on some sort of limb with his take on this. He’s right unless the Celtics win a title. If they win the title then who the hell cares. But there’s nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing Jaylen Brown can do outside of the Celtics winning a title to change Caves mind which is why I bowed out of the thread 20 pages before it was locked

[Braindesign]

Multiple peope calling out Cave is lame, at least he will quote the people he argues with.

I do think he is selling the improvements Jaylen has made short though lol. But I am pretty confident he will come around.

You edited your post. You initially said he's been right more often than he's been wrong on the end there.

Maybe so, but has ever taken his plate of Crow and admitted when he's been wrong? Not that I've seen

Yeah the ninja edit lol, I just didn't think bringing up him being right more really mattered. And as far as him eating crow, he hasn't been wrong about something to the point where eating crow was really necessary. But if Jaylen keeps this up into the playoffs and becomes a legit top 25-30 player? I can see Cave being happy to have been wrong, he's stubborn as hell but dude loves the Celtics.

He's still sticking to his guns on the tank take. Even PMd me about it. When I asked what Sota has won with two number ones on the roster or Philly with a 6,3,3,1&1 and the brought up the most recent dynasty being built around a 9,11&35.....crickets.

[Feed Your Head]

You edited your post. You initially said he's been right more often than he's been wrong on the end there.

Maybe so, but has ever taken his plate of Crow and admitted when he's been wrong? Not that I've seen

Yeah the ninja edit lol, I just didn't think bringing up him being right more really mattered. And as far as him eating crow, he hasn't been wrong about something to the point where eating crow was really necessary. But if Jaylen keeps this up into the playoffs and becomes a legit top 25-30 player? I can see Cave being happy to have been wrong, he's stubborn as hell but dude loves the Celtics.

The problem is, he’s not exactly gone out on some sort of limb with his take on this. He’s right unless the Celtics win a title. If they win the title then who the hell cares. But there’s nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing Jaylen Brown can do outside of the Celtics winning a title to change Caves mind which is why I bowed out of the thread 20 pages before it was locked

He's definitely stubborn as all hell lol, and arguing with him can be incredibly frustrating. I just think multiple people calling out one poster is weak, just be happy that Jaylen has improved as much as he has. What's the upside of baiting him? More pointless arguments where neither side will back down lol.

[Homerclease]

Yeah the ninja edit lol, I just didn't think bringing up him being right more really mattered. And as far as him eating crow, he hasn't been wrong about something to the point where eating crow was really necessary. But if Jaylen keeps this up into the playoffs and becomes a legit top 25-30 player? I can see Cave being happy to have been wrong, he's stubborn as hell but dude loves the Celtics.

The problem is, he’s not exactly gone out on some sort of limb with his take on this. He’s right unless the Celtics win a title. If they win the title then who the hell cares. But there’s nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing Jaylen Brown can do outside of the Celtics winning a title to change Caves mind which is why I bowed out of the thread 20 pages before it was locked

He's definitely stubborn as all hell lol, and arguing with him can be incredibly frustrating. I just think multiple people calling out one poster is weak, just be happy that Jaylen has improved as much as he has. What's the upside of baiting him? More pointless arguments where neither side will back down lol.

Hence why I bowed out. Brown could average 25/7/3 on great efficiency and make first team all defense yet Cave would still claim victory if it didn’t result in a Celtics title because he would be having that success on “not a real team”. As he puts it best, all that matters is championships

[sam_I_am]

The Sixers got the consensus best players (on draft night ) in 3 drafts due to tanking and even paid a mint for 2 top free agents .... and yet they look to me to be a second round playoff exit for 3rd year in a row. To think a pro tank argument is more right than wrong is misguided to say the least.

[GreenBloodedC]

The Sixers got the consensus best players (on draft night ) in 3 drafts due to tanking and even paid a mint for 2 top free agents .... and yet they look to me to be a second round playoff exit for 3rd year in a row. To think a pro tank argument is more right than wrong is misguided to say the least.

Not to mention the wasted Noel, Okafor and even Fultz picks. Yikes. What wasted years.

[Big Joke Line]

Multiple peope calling out Cave is lame, at least he will quote the people he argues with.

I do think he is selling the improvements Jaylen has made short though lol. But I am pretty confident he will come around.

Personally I dont mind Cave even though he’s abrasive. It takes all types. And he was pretty cool after I told him I thought he was being disrespectful last year. But he does flame basically the entire board, so what do you expect?

I will say I think the chest pounding and victory laps are way overdone. I thought the Take an L thread for Smart was embarrassing last year (and not for the people it was meant to embarrass) so I’m going to be consistent and hope this doesn’t get too out of hand even if some people are bringing it on themselves.

[Shak_Celts]

CELTICS!!! -hugs- for everyone!!!

[djFan71]

i don't know that i buy the argument that JB benefits from JT being a primary focus of defenses. I've heard it for some time now. I'm not discounting it completely, and there may be some validity to it, but I'm just not sure.

I've watched all of our games. I have seen teams scheme particularly to stop Kemba, but can't recall them doing so for anybody else on the squad, unless they happen to be on a hot streak. Now it is entirely possible i missed it, but I don't know that teams gameplanning to stop Tatum is a reality or a Celtics fan illusion.
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I’ve kinda advanced that argument, but I agree with you here. It’s all about Kemba. Teams wanna cut off the head of the snake, but, I do think Tatum is the 2nd guy they focus on. Then JB/Hayward. I don’t think JB benefits from Tatum’s playmaking or anything, more just being the 3rd or 4th concern. Though, with Jaylen’s efficiency lately, it’s definitely 3rd, and that may change soon to 2nd.

At which point Tatum will go off. More.

[5InOfLouisville]

Multiple peope calling out Cave is lame, at least he will quote the people he argues with.

I do think he is selling the improvements Jaylen has made short though lol. But I am pretty confident he will come around.

Ive been quiet bc im classy as fuuuuu, so I appreciate other posters calling it out so i can continue to sit on my ivory throne of smug but silent self-righteousness

But since the topic came up and he said he was ignoring me anyway... theres nothing wrong with being wrong. I disagreed with him strongly, but that doesnt mean his take was crazy at the time.

And weve all been wrong. We are human. We cant help it. BUT, when you insult the intelligence of everyone who politely disagrees with you in condescending fashion AND current events make the take you beat info the ground seem increasingly terrible... welllllll...you get what you deserve

But if we learn a lesson here, we are ALL winners

Be dead wrong. Or be a total nutsack. But its not a great look to be both at the same time

Go celtics

[5InOfLouisville]

i don't know that i buy the argument that JB benefits from JT being a primary focus of defenses. I've heard it for some time now. I'm not discounting it completely, and there may be some validity to it, but I'm just not sure.

I've watched all of our games. I have seen teams scheme particularly to stop Kemba, but can't recall them doing so for anybody else on the squad, unless they happen to be on a hot streak. Now it is entirely possible i missed it, but I don't know that teams gameplanning to stop Tatum is a reality or a Celtics fan illusion.
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I’ve kinda advanced that argument, but I agree with you here. It’s all about Kemba. Teams wanna cut off the head of the snake, but, I do think Tatum is the 2nd guy they focus on. Then JB/Hayward. I don’t think JB benefits from Tatum’s playmaking or anything, more just being the 3rd or 4th concern. Though, with Jaylen’s efficiency lately, it’s definitely 3rd, and that may change soon to 2nd.

At which point Tatum will go off. More.

I HATE comparing my two basketball sons bc i love them both equally, but to me, an avowed jb lover, tatums DEFENSE has really been what has impressed lately.

This isnt new or anything and a lot of these guys have brought it up, but hes long, usually in the right place, and always competes. but it seems jt is a stones throw from being a COMPLETE stud

[djFan71]

The Sixers got the consensus best players (on draft night ) in 3 drafts due to tanking and even paid a mint for 2 top free agents .... and yet they look to me to be a second round playoff exit for 3rd year in a row. To think a pro tank argument is more right than wrong is misguided to say the least.

We could reignite it all, but Philly has been screwing up Hinkie’s plan since Colangelo got his first burner account. Tanking works if you get one of the top picks in a year with a transcendental player. AND follow it up with good moves. Beyond that, it doesn’t.

But other options work even less.

[5InOfLouisville]

The Sixers got the consensus best players (on draft night ) in 3 drafts due to tanking and even paid a mint for 2 top free agents .... and yet they look to me to be a second round playoff exit for 3rd year in a row. To think a pro tank argument is more right than wrong is misguided to say the least.

Im an anti tanker at heart for moral and fanboy reasons, but i totally get the argument. To debate it is to argue theory and hypotheticals and its hard to quantify.

But, im happy with our current position

[djFan71]

i don't know that i buy the argument that JB benefits from JT being a primary focus of defenses. I've heard it for some time now. I'm not discounting it completely, and there may be some validity to it, but I'm just not sure.

I've watched all of our games. I have seen teams scheme particularly to stop Kemba, but can't recall them doing so for anybody else on the squad, unless they happen to be on a hot streak. Now it is entirely possible i missed it, but I don't know that teams gameplanning to stop Tatum is a reality or a Celtics fan illusion.
.

I’ve kinda advanced that argument, but I agree with you here. It’s all about Kemba. Teams wanna cut off the head of the snake, but, I do think Tatum is the 2nd guy they focus on. Then JB/Hayward. I don’t think JB benefits from Tatum’s playmaking or anything, more just being the 3rd or 4th concern. Though, with Jaylen’s efficiency lately, it’s definitely 3rd, and that may change soon to 2nd.

At which point Tatum will go off. More.

I HATE comparing my two basketball sons bc i love them both equally, but to me, an avowed jb lover, tatums DEFENSE has really been what has impressed lately.

This isnt new or anything and a lot of these guys have brought it up, but hes long, usually in the right place, and always competes. but it seems jt is a stones throw from being a COMPLETE stud

Yep, Tatum on D has been great. Brad asks a little more assignment wise from Brown, but Tatum has been special. (Romeo too, with the blocks outta nowhere). I like Brown more as just a fan, but hope/assume neither are going anywhere any time soon.

[5InOfLouisville]

My Romeo knowledge from IU was limited, but his court awareness and movement sure do seem advanced for a rook. Admittedly small sample size, but there sure seems like theres a lot of potential. Still needs a ton if work, and despite those two threes, i think that his j, while improved still needs some refining, but, and i think we already touched on it, he LOOKS like a ballplayer

[Marvel]

The Sixers got the consensus best players (on draft night ) in 3 drafts due to tanking and even paid a mint for 2 top free agents .... and yet they look to me to be a second round playoff exit for 3rd year in a row. To think a pro tank argument is more right than wrong is misguided to say the least.

Amen. How you can claim the W on the tank debate is just nonsense.

[zoyathedestroya]

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I still remember when people were blaming Hayward for getting in the way of the Jays' ascent. When in fact, it was the ballstopping b-holes Kyrie, TRo, and Mook.

[Big Joke Line]

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I still remember when people were blaming Hayward for getting in the way of the Jays' ascent. When in fact, it was the ballstopping b-holes Kyrie, TRo, and Mook.

Not arguing with your theory here but the Jays looked just fine in the PO’s in 2018 with TRo and Mook and...

[TommyPointGawd]

There seems to be a bit of Civil War amongst the fandom and its silly. I can fully admit I wasn't a big fan of Tatum when we drafted him and I probably hate on him more because of that. I think it's obvious Jaylen is in the same category for others. Jaylen was the whipping boy for a little while but hopefully he has put that to rest. We need to let go of all our hate and stop holding on to our online scouting reputations and just embrace the fact that these two can be special. Let's enjoy that instead putting these guys against each other.

And more importantly open our eyes to real overrated overpaid, never will win a champion guy...Ben Simmons.
That is all.