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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#541 » by playa-hater » Thu Dec 24, 2020 6:20 am

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playa-hater wrote:How good can JB Become remains to be seen. But he has never been or will ever be a 3 and D player. He creates his own offense. Sometimes a bit out of control. And needs to find open players better for sure.

But 3 -D should be rested forever


nah, he's been the epitome of a 3 and D on offense. We only have two weapons. It's a failure of the Bucks coaching that they didn't defend Jaylen better. There's no excuse for him being defended by Connoughton, Divencenzo and Middleton only when we have no other source of offense besides him and Tatum at the moment. He was left WIDE open for threes and mid range shots multiple times. He does have the ability to take scrubs off the dribble and when lazy defenders like Holiday can get don't clamp him down as well. He is absolutely not capable of having the offense run through him. Compare the shots Tatum had to take versus Jalen. Focus more on how players score more than stats. Also, he may have scored 33 but he gave up 25 so it's not as impressive.

I want to see this same energy from you fanboys when he has terrible games. But I know when he does the excuses will be flying around like usual. It's one game. Relax. If he does this consistently for the season I'll eat crow.


LOL.. having a great game or a bad one has NOTHING to do with your assertion of JB being a 3-D player.

Either way, it would appear this is the Hill you're willing to die on.. Good luck..
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#542 » by PierceFan4ever » Thu Dec 24, 2020 6:25 am

Man I can’t believe some people just can’t be happy with the Celtics winning and one of their key players scoring 30+. How and why is this discussion even happening lol.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#543 » by themoneyteam2 » Thu Dec 24, 2020 6:29 am

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playa-hater wrote:How good can JB Become remains to be seen. But he has never been or will ever be a 3 and D player. He creates his own offense. Sometimes a bit out of control. And needs to find open players better for sure.

But 3 -D should be rested forever


nah, he's been the epitome of a 3 and D on offense. We only have two weapons. It's a failure of the Bucks coaching that they didn't defend Jaylen better. There's no excuse for him being defended by Connoughton, Divencenzo and Middleton only when we have no other source of offense besides him and Tatum at the moment. He was left WIDE open for threes and mid range shots multiple times. He does have the ability to take scrubs off the dribble and when lazy defenders like Holiday can get don't clamp him down as well. He is absolutely not capable of having the offense run through him. Compare the shots Tatum had to take versus Jalen. Focus more on how players score more than stats. Also, he may have scored 33 but he gave up 25 so it's not as impressive.

I want to see this same energy from you fanboys when he has terrible games. But I know when he does the excuses will be flying around like usual. It's one game. Relax. If he does this consistently for the season I'll eat crow.


Wait this is a real take you came up with after watching the game tonight?

Yikes man. If you think he was only taking scrubs off the dribble and that Holiday is a lazy defender then it’s not worth discussing

But you should be happy I guess you’re still allowed to post on here and **** on the Celtics and Brown after wins. Really makes for great content and adds a lot to the threads!
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#544 » by themoneyteam2 » Thu Dec 24, 2020 6:31 am

PierceFan4ever wrote:Man I can’t believe some people just can’t be happy with the Celtics winning and one of their key players scoring 30+. How and why is this discussion even happening lol.


Well to be fair it’s just one person, not multiple. It’s the same shtick going on for a year now.

Knicks have a better young core and RJ, Bridges, Lonzo, and Lauri are all better than Brown is what I’ve been told
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#545 » by TommyPointGawd » Thu Dec 24, 2020 8:59 am

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PierceFan4ever wrote:Man I can’t believe some people just can’t be happy with the Celtics winning and one of their key players scoring 30+. How and why is this discussion even happening lol.


Well to be fair it’s just one person, not multiple. It’s the same shtick going on for a year now.

Knicks have a better young core and RJ, Bridges, Lonzo, and Lauri are all better than Brown is what I’ve been told


It's definitely not one person. The others just have a little more sense.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#546 » by Fencer reregistered » Thu Dec 24, 2020 1:47 pm

How does one properly score in the halfcourt in the modern NBA?

-- Shoot a 3.
-- Drive or otherwise move with the ball until one has a high-percentage 2-point shot.
-- Slip past the defense without the ball and receive a pass for a high-percentage 2-point shot.
-- Grab an offensive rebound and score the putback.

Almost nobody does all 4. Indeed, almost nobody does 3 of them, because if you score from the perimeter you probably aren't getting a lot of putbacks, and if you're generally a major scoring threat you probably aren't catching the other team napping often for alley oops or back cuts.

Jaylen's doing pretty darned well at the first 2 these days. And of course even his critics agree he excels at scoring in transition.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#547 » by Celts17Pride » Thu Dec 24, 2020 2:44 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:Jaylen Brown is going to take another step forward this season and the Celtics will have two perennial all-stars for many years to come with Jaylen and Jayson. Good times ahead.

Hmmm!
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#548 » by jmr07019 » Thu Dec 24, 2020 3:14 pm

Top 10 player in the league is his ceiling when he’s 27-30. He will make the all star team this year. Posters underrate work ethic. Jaylen has it in spades ♠️.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#549 » by Feed Your Head » Thu Dec 24, 2020 3:16 pm

His in between game is really, really good.
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Post#550 » by Gomes3PC » Thu Dec 24, 2020 3:52 pm

Would still like to see him and Jaylen initiate contact at the rim more - without that, neither will be true alpha scorers - the best guys in the league scoring are able to get 7-9 points a game at the stripe.

All that said, if Jaylen shows the kind of passing he did today, that will be a huge leap forward. Expanding his game as a facilitator is not just something I hope happens, it's one this team needs after losing Hayward and missing Kemba.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#551 » by Edug27 » Thu Dec 24, 2020 4:41 pm

Gomes3PC wrote:Would still like to see him and Jaylen initiate contact at the rim more - without that, neither will be true alpha scorers - the best guys in the league scoring are able to get 7-9 points a game at the stripe.

All that said, if Jaylen shows the kind of passing he did today, that will be a huge leap forward. Expanding his game as a facilitator is not just something I hope happens, it's one this team needs after losing Hayward and missing Kemba.


7-9 free throws a game is a lot. Physical dudes like Lebron and Giannas, sure. I always compared Tatum and Brown to prime PG and Butler. Both aren’t getting you 7 pts a game from the line. You can even throw Kawhis name in there.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#552 » by CeltsfaninDC » Thu Dec 24, 2020 4:51 pm

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Celts17Pride wrote:Jaylen Brown is going to take another step forward this season and the Celtics will have two perennial all-stars for many years to come with Jaylen and Jayson. Good times ahead.

Hmmm!

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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#553 » by Joshyjess » Thu Dec 24, 2020 5:50 pm

I think a good question is "was last night's game simply one good game or now that Hayward is gone, can we expect Jaylen to truly be the number 2 option on the team on a nightly basis?"
Personally I expect Brown to up his average to over 25 points a game. He is already an excellent, if not elite level defender. Of course there are some areas of his game he needs to improve, but he does seem to add something new every year.
I have no idea what his ceiling is, but I am pretty sure that he has not arrived there yet. I can't wait to see how he looks in a few more years.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#554 » by BigTrade92 » Thu Dec 24, 2020 6:12 pm

He looks like he’s been watching a ton of prime MJ footage. (Obviously not comparing the two)

His mid-range game looks so smooth and steady now, along with his improved ball handling and aggressive and consistent finishing at the rim.

My only worry still is his motor. Can he keep it going night in and night out? That’s the big question and it’s what separates the stars from the superstars.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#555 » by Bleeding Green » Thu Dec 24, 2020 6:29 pm

He set a career high in FGA last night and he had zero turnovers. Not bad, not bad.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#556 » by Ben-N1ce » Thu Dec 24, 2020 7:20 pm

Top 20+ player unless he becomes basically Jimmy Butler who hovered around 10-20 in the league. That means better defense and better playmaking and handle.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#557 » by Gomes3PC » Thu Dec 24, 2020 10:23 pm

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Gomes3PC wrote:Would still like to see him and Jaylen initiate contact at the rim more - without that, neither will be true alpha scorers - the best guys in the league scoring are able to get 7-9 points a game at the stripe.

All that said, if Jaylen shows the kind of passing he did today, that will be a huge leap forward. Expanding his game as a facilitator is not just something I hope happens, it's one this team needs after losing Hayward and missing Kemba.


7-9 free throws a game is a lot. Physical dudes like Lebron and Giannas, sure. I always compared Tatum and Brown to prime PG and Butler. Both aren’t getting you 7 pts a game from the line. You can even throw Kawhis name in there.

Butler has lived at the line in his career. And if these guys peak out at Paul George, we need to trade them for a true alpha ASAP, because no team with Paul George as their best guy is winning a title.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#558 » by captain green » Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:04 pm

All I wanted from brown( my favorite on the team) was a the apg or overall more passes for the score. He has the things you can't teach passion and fire I've already argued about. Can slash and hit the 3 and his defense is great. If he can get that app to 4 or 5 readily and drop his turnovers he will be as close to a complete player at the wing. Or read Boston couches takes to counter everything said. Either way he is on the Celtics like him Or no
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#559 » by Edug27 » Fri Dec 25, 2020 1:57 am

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Gomes3PC wrote:Would still like to see him and Jaylen initiate contact at the rim more - without that, neither will be true alpha scorers - the best guys in the league scoring are able to get 7-9 points a game at the stripe.

All that said, if Jaylen shows the kind of passing he did today, that will be a huge leap forward. Expanding his game as a facilitator is not just something I hope happens, it's one this team needs after losing Hayward and missing Kemba.


7-9 free throws a game is a lot. Physical dudes like Lebron and Giannas, sure. I always compared Tatum and Brown to prime PG and Butler. Both aren’t getting you 7 pts a game from the line. You can even throw Kawhis name in there.

Butler has lived at the line in his career. And if these guys peak out at Paul George, we need to trade them for a true alpha ASAP, because no team with Paul George as their best guy is winning a title.


Who’s that true alpha we will trade them for? There’s like 3 in the league.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#560 » by 31to6 » Fri Dec 25, 2020 2:25 am

Jaylen’s ceiling is something I hope to get to watch while he’s in a Celtics uniform. And I’d be surprised if Brad, Danny, and Wyc+co aren’t pretty attached to the idea at this point too.
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