Hal’s Draft Thread

[Parliament10]

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[djFan71]

Roko needs to do what Bender should have done: get in the weight room for a year and lift for two hours a day. But oh no, Bender wanted to drift around in the perimeter and shoot threes-- and the Suns let him get away with it so that he became the second coming of Nikoloz Tskitishvili. The rule for Roko would be: when Ojeleye lifts, you lift, otherwise you don't play. And when you do play, the further you are away from the basket the closer you are to the bench. Roko, who is 6-9 and still growing, needs to turn himself into a legitimate NBA power forward.

The huge flaw in that plan is having Semi around still.

[Bleeding Green]

I will delete my account if Semi Ojeleye is on the opening day roster for anything more than the absolute minimum with a clause that declares he is only allowed to play when the other 14 players tap out.

[djFan71]

I will delete my account if Semi Ojeleye is on the opening day roster for anything more than the absolute minimum with a clause that declares he is only allowed to play when the other 14 players tap out.

And he has to pay for his own weights.

[31to6]

I will delete my account if Semi Ojeleye is on the opening day roster for anything more than the absolute minimum with a clause that declares he is only allowed to play when the other 14 players tap out.

I’ll miss you, it’s been a good run

[playa-hater]

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what the hell?? workouts have started already??

dang.. anyone else heard about any other prospects getting workouts already?

[Parliament10]

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what the hell?? workouts have started already??

dang.. anyone else heard about any other prospects getting workouts already?

IDK when it's happening.
But here are some NBA Key Dates:

https://www.nba.com/key-dates

May 22 – July 22: 2021 NBA Playoffs
June 21-27: NBA Draft Combine
June 22: NBA Draft Lottery
July 19: Deadline for an early entry player to withdraw from the NBA Draft (5 p.m. ET)
July 29: 2021 NBA Draft

[playa-hater]

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[playa-hater]

edit part 2.. i'll get it right..

[playa-hater]

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Yo ... nice find! And that Utah connection means he must be on Danny’s radar, eh? (I know Danny’s leaving, but apparently not until after the draft?)

Tankathon has Queta going 27th: http://www.tankathon.com/players/neemias-queta

Weaknesses: turnover prone, no jumper yet, limited perimeter mobility (though has shown some flashes of potential there). My five minute draft expert analysis says “he doesn’t look much worse than Ayton, right?” and adds him to my list of guys I’d be happy with:
Kai Jones, Sengun, Garuba, Jalen Johnson, I. Jackson, I. Todd, Queta, that tall twiggy PG. Up to 8! My goal is 10 so only room for two more draft binkies.

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Certainly you can do what you want with your top 10, but I would tell you to strongly consider Gregg Brown on that list.

Things like, very good length size combination, very good first step for a 6-9 4 man.. Fluid with good body control. Seems Big an yet quick enough to defend against 3-4-5 man. and the all important shooting looks promising enough to make me believe.

While I made the John Collins "lite" comparison. He may also be a Pat Williams "lite" Comp.

[threrf23]

Certainly you can do what you want with your top 10, but I would tell you to strongly consider Gregg Brown on that list.

Things like, very good length size combination, very good first step for a 6-9 4 man.. Fluid with good body control. Seems Big an yet quick enough to defend against 3-4-5 man. and the all important shooting looks promising enough to make me believe.

While I made the John Collins "lite" comparison. He may also be a Pat Williams "lite" Comp.

Except, 4.5 TOs per 40 versus 0.7 assists, 5.8 fouls versus 1.1 steals, 1.9 blocks.

He may be quick enough to guard three positions, but those numbers suggest he is too raw for the cause. Those are Samuel Dalembert numbers, with the exception that Dalembert was taller and a much more prolific shot blocker. And I mean, he sounds raw as well.

[playa-hater]

Certainly you can do what you want with your top 10, but I would tell you to strongly consider Gregg Brown on that list.

Things like, very good length size combination, very good first step for a 6-9 4 man.. Fluid with good body control. Seems Big an yet quick enough to defend against 3-4-5 man. and the all important shooting looks promising enough to make me believe.

While I made the John Collins "lite" comparison. He may also be a Pat Williams "lite" Comp.

Except, 4.5 TOs per 40 versus 0.7 assists, 5.8 fouls versus 1.1 steals, 1.9 blocks.

He may be quick enough to guard three positions, but those numbers suggest he is too raw for the cause. Those are Samuel Dalembert numbers, with the exception that Dalembert was taller and a much more prolific shot blocker. And I mean, he sounds raw as well.

Technically most one and done players/Bigs are raw. I don't get the Sam Dalembert comparison. I don't think SD ever took a midrange shot let alone a 3.. he was a pure center. meanwhile, I always enjoy looking back on threads like this. We can visit the G Brown discussion again.

[Hal14]

Certainly you can do what you want with your top 10, but I would tell you to strongly consider Gregg Brown on that list.

Things like, very good length size combination, very good first step for a 6-9 4 man.. Fluid with good body control. Seems Big an yet quick enough to defend against 3-4-5 man. and the all important shooting looks promising enough to make me believe.

While I made the John Collins "lite" comparison. He may also be a Pat Williams "lite" Comp.

Except, 4.5 TOs per 40 versus 0.7 assists, 5.8 fouls versus 1.1 steals, 1.9 blocks.

He may be quick enough to guard three positions, but those numbers suggest he is too raw for the cause. Those are Samuel Dalembert numbers, with the exception that Dalembert was taller and a much more prolific shot blocker. And I mean, he sounds raw as well.

Technically most one and done players/Bigs are raw. I don't get the Sam Dalembert comparison. I don't think SD ever took a midrange shot let alone a 3.. he was a pure center. meanwhile, I always enjoy looking back on threads like this. We can visit the G Brown discussion again.

IDK man. Brown might be turn out to be good. But IMO there are going to be better options than him at that 16 spot.

Brown's Texas team played in 2 games in the conference tournament and 1 game in March Madness. Here's what he did those 3 games...now, I know it's only 3 game sample size, but it's literally the 3 most recent games we have for him and they were the 3 most important games of his team's season:

Big 12 Tournament 1st round = 2 points in 13 minutes
Big 12 Tournament 2nd round = 0 points in 6 minutes
NCAA Tournament 1st round = 3 points in 6 minutes

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what the hell?? workouts have started already??

dang.. anyone else heard about any other prospects getting workouts already?

IDK when it's happening.
But here are some NBA Key Dates:

https://www.nba.com/key-dates

May 22 – July 22: 2021 NBA Playoffs
June 21-27: NBA Draft Combine
June 22: NBA Draft Lottery
July 19: Deadline for an early entry player to withdraw from the NBA Draft (5 p.m. ET)
July 29: 2021 NBA Draft

Could have sworn the combine was always after the lottery. Either way thanks for that. The lottery is always fun in the offseason, even if we are not in it.

[playa-hater]

Except, 4.5 TOs per 40 versus 0.7 assists, 5.8 fouls versus 1.1 steals, 1.9 blocks.

He may be quick enough to guard three positions, but those numbers suggest he is too raw for the cause. Those are Samuel Dalembert numbers, with the exception that Dalembert was taller and a much more prolific shot blocker. And I mean, he sounds raw as well.

Technically most one and done players/Bigs are raw. I don't get the Sam Dalembert comparison. I don't think SD ever took a midrange shot let alone a 3.. he was a pure center. meanwhile, I always enjoy looking back on threads like this. We can visit the G Brown discussion again.

IDK man. Brown might be turn out to be good. But IMO there are going to be better options than him at that 16 spot.

Brown's Texas team played in 2 games in the conference tournament and 1 game in March Madness. Here's what he did those 3 games...now, I know it's only 3 game sample size, but it's literally the 3 most recent games we have for him and they were the 3 most important games of his team's season:

Big 12 Tournament 1st round = 2 points in 13 minutes
Big 12 Tournament 2nd round = 0 points in 6 minutes
NCAA Tournament 1st round = 3 points in 6 minutes

Never said G Brown was the best option at 16.. just to be included in the top 10 for Boston. what a player does in college may or may not reflect was he does as a Pro. I remember people saying Patrick Williams wasn't even good enough to start for Florida state his freshman year, and yet he was good enough to go 4th and probably make an all-rookie team.

But there is definitely a reason to be concerned with things G Brown related. and like with any prospect should be looked into. But at this time his upside is too good NOT to take a good hard look.

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Sims is another defensive center that the Celtics should consider in the 2nd round. He has really good lateral quickness for a big.

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Sims is another defensive center that the Celtics should consider in the 2nd round. He has really good lateral quickness for a big.

good look.

There are really some good prospects for RD 2 alone. and a BIG one would be really nice and needed.

[Hal14]

Haven't seen anyone mention this guy. Another stretch 4 / small ball 5. I like this kid.

I see him being right in that same tier with Garuba/Roko/Jones in terms of a possible PF for us in the 16 spot.

Robinson-Earl seems very underrated though. Seems like he's projected to go somewhere in the 30-40 range based on mocks I've seen.

In the video you see him go by Kai Jones off the dribble and dunk on him. That game Robinson-Earl had 19 points and 8 rebounds. Jones had 7 points and 2 rebounds.

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I see a lot of similarities with Robinson-Earl and Roko. Both 6'9". Robinson-Earl is beefier at 230 lbs compared to Roko at 220 (with Robinson-Earl being just as quick, maybe even a little quicker) but Robinson-Earl is also 2.5 years older which means a) Robinson-Earl probably more ready to contribute to Celtics next season but b) Roko being much younger has higher upside

Roko also despite being 2.5 years younger is much better passer and also better 3 point shooter (35% Roko from 3, 28% Robinson-Earl), despite Roko going against tougher competition. So I'd probably pick Roko, but IDK, Robinson-Earl is less of a development project and is definitely a better defender (very switchable defender) so you could debate Robinson-Earl being the better pick, especially for a team looking to win now, rather than rebuild..

[threrf23]

Haven't seen Day'Ron Sharpe mentioned. Draws comparisons to Zach Randolph and Al Jefferson. Good size and he averaged 20 & 16 per 40 as a freshman. nbadraft.net has us taking him at 45, but I've gotta imagine he goes higher.

[threrf23]

Would make an interesting flier @ 45:

https://eurospects.com/prospect-focus-ismael-kamagate/

But with all eyes on Victor we tend to forget France has a plethora of talent at every position. A name that has climb into the top 2001 European prospect conversation is another tower in the country’s capitol of Paris, Ismaël Kamagate.

Ismäel’s was basically unknown years ago but has taken a step into the bright lights of Paris Basketball and has relished the opportunity. With his name fairly new to the top prospect discussion let us take a brief dive into this prospect whose late arrival on the international stage has many intrigued:

BACKGROUND: Born to Ivorian parents in the suburbs of Paris, Ismaël was not destined for professional basketball. He started off playing soccer (futbol) up until the age of 13. Apparently, a change of sport was necessary from constantly tapping his head on the cross bar after scoring goals! Crossing over to basketball with the advice of his doctor and mother, Ismael had no blueprint for his path, having no immediate family member who played a high level of basketball before him. Starting U13 with the small club Basket Paris 14, Ismaël could be describe as a normal kid that came to practices and games and enjoyed himself. He listened well and was a fast learner. Adapting to the game quickly he would not understand the possible impact of basketball on his life until years later. He bounced around playing U15 for the club Paris Basket Avenir, Levallois, and shortly after leaving home to spend two seasons with the U18 squad of Orleans Loiret Basket Association. During his two seasons with Orleans (17-18 and 18-19) Ismaël developed with the U18 and the 2nd team which played in NM3. Although averaging 21.1 ppg in U18 competition in his final season with the club, Ismaël would be describe as not fully invested in the concept of being a professional athlete (not showing up early nor staying late for extra work). He did not even practice with the pro team who competed in Pro B France 2nd division both seasons. But his final season with Orleans was taken noticed by the French basketball federation who selected him to represent France during the 2019 U18 European Championship in Greece. After the summer of international competition Ismaël accepted an offer with the newly formed Paris Basket Association (formerly Hyeres Toulon Var Club but relocated to Paris). Paris Basketball, whose team President/investor is former Minnesota Timberwolves GM David Kahn, has strong belief in Ismael’s potential brining him in with a crop of prospects to write the first chapters of the team located in the heart of the country’s capitol. Ismaël has since rewarded the opportunity he was given by making enormous strides in his development slowly climbing up the 2001 born international prospect rankings. An opportunity of this magnitude has helped the maturity of Ismaël on and off the court and overall bringing to focus and understanding of what is at stake for him with the game of basketball

PERSONALITY: Ismaël is described as mild tempered and not a huge talker. A player that is very coachable and has put in the extra time in with his development. Great teammate that takes pride in doing his job. A player who has come to understand the grind of being a professional. He has lean on an experience teammate in Amara Sy (French basketball legend) who has helped guide him thus far in Paris Basketball. Off the court he enjoys music from the local Paris artist, being proud of the city he was born and raised in. He also enjoys watching the game, especially the NBA.

PHYSICAL/ATHLETIC TOOLS: Ismaël has a long frame with incredibly measurements (winspan: 7ft + and standing reach: 8ft+). A long stride allows him to be an effective rim runner. His athleticism paired with those measurements gives him an extra dazzle when dunking. Snaring rebounds, blocking shots, and accurate passing can be attributed to the size of his hands and a very quick second jump. He still needs to add muscle to be able to play through contact and not avoid it. But his broad shoulders give him a cushion to finish at the basket against opposing defenders. Also improving his core and lower body will allow him to remain on balance when bumped or push eliminating precious seconds he uses to regather himself before going back up.