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Post#541 » by shackles10 » Mon Jan 2, 2023 5:01 pm

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Minus the Houston game he’s been good from 3 since his 0-fer slump too. Granted only a 4 game sample size, but his confidence looks better on them and he’s not leaning back like many noticed during the cold spell.
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Post#543 » by Bostondave » Tue Jan 3, 2023 2:29 am

Not a fan of D White. I can see some things he could do, that he does in brief flashes. But his game is too passive, too tentative. Which fits right into the "net rating". He's always looiking just to do nothing bad or wrong, ever.

Didn't escape my attention that nobody attempted to explain how this "net rationg" makes for an "impactful" player also.
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Post#544 » by Hal14 » Tue Jan 3, 2023 2:34 am

Bostondave wrote:Not a fan of D White. I can see some things he could do, that he does in brief flashes. But his game is too passive, too tentative. Which fits right into the "net rating". He's always looiking just to do nothing bad or wrong, ever.

Didn't escape my attention that nobody attempted to explain how this "net rationg" makes for an "impactful" player also.

Dude. You could have just looked it up lol.

Took me 2 seconds to find this on Google:

https://www.pivotanalysis.com/post/net-rating

"Net rating is how much better or worse the team is when a specific player is on the court."
Nothing wrong with having a different opinion - as long as it's done respectfully. It'd be lame if we all agreed on everything :)
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Post#545 » by Bostondave » Tue Jan 3, 2023 2:57 am

Not that interested in the defiintion of "net rating". Have been asking how it makes for an "impactful" player. D White, nor other of his fellow highly rated "net rating" fellows make much of a noticeable "impact" on their teams or the game from what I can see. Certainly not D White who plays soft, tentative and scared for the most part. With some small flashes of aggression. I'll give him props for his D. But not much else from him. He's tentative. Looks to do no harm. Just think what his "net rating" would be if he were more assertive on O and kept the same D.
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Post#546 » by BK_2020 » Tue Jan 3, 2023 12:26 pm

Bostondave wrote:Not that interested in the defiintion of "net rating". Have been asking how it makes for an "impactful" player. D White, nor other of his fellow highly rated "net rating" fellows make much of a noticeable "impact" on their teams or the game from what I can see. Certainly not D White who plays soft, tentative and scared for the most part. With some small flashes of aggression. I'll give him props for his D. But not much else from him. He's tentative. Looks to do no harm. Just think what his "net rating" would be if he were more assertive on O and kept the same D.

This is all just tautological unless we can start defining things. For example what does it mean or what basketball things are you describing when you say "play soft"? or "tentative"? or "scared"? Passing up open shots? Not driving to the basket? It's hard to engage when you are working with adjectives.
For what it's worth, I see Derrick White as a fairly aggressive and active player on offense, by which I mean he turns on the jets and attacks the basket when he has an opportunity. He has a FTr of .269 which is higher than any of Jaylen Brown's last three seasons or higher than all but 3 of Marcus Smart's seasons. White makes quick, decisive passes, and pushes the ball in transition. Derrick White also cuts and probes.
He does pass up open threes but shooting is just not his strength.
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Post#547 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Tue Jan 3, 2023 1:12 pm

Bostondave wrote:Not a fan of D White. I can see some things he could do, that he does in brief flashes. But his game is too passive, too tentative. Which fits right into the "net rating". He's always looiking just to do nothing bad or wrong, ever.

Didn't escape my attention that nobody attempted to explain how this "net rationg" makes for an "impactful" player also.

The net rating shows how much a team outscores (or gets outscored by) the opposition when a certain player is on the floor. That someone has to come here and explain to you why outscoring the other team is "impactful" to winning basketball games is embarassing.

The notion that Derrick White does nothing but serve as a placeholder until someone else enter the game is just dumb. He's had wildly positive on/off numbers his entire career (i.e. his teams perform better with him on the floor than off). Even last year in San Antonio when the team was so bad they had a firesale at the deadline they still performed like an above average NBA team when White was in the game. So you can't even say it's just him benefiting from playing with superstars like Tatum either.
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Post#548 » by MagicBagley18 » Tue Jan 3, 2023 1:19 pm

D white is just a good player period….ball connector, versatile defender, high iq and a good teammate not to mention very unselfish. I’m just starting to believe he’s a guy who will go 6-8 weeks with hot shooting and then a month being ice cold. It’s just what he may he.

However even in his cold stretches he’s still important. Though I do think some hold him in much higher regard than he should be at times- however he’s far from some throwaway piece.
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Post#549 » by Feed Your Head » Tue Jan 3, 2023 2:32 pm

Bostondave wrote:Not that interested in the defiintion of "net rating". Have been asking how it makes for an "impactful" player. D White, nor other of his fellow highly rated "net rating" fellows make much of a noticeable "impact" on their teams or the game from what I can see. Certainly not D White who plays soft, tentative and scared for the most part. With some small flashes of aggression. I'll give him props for his D. But not much else from him. He's tentative. Looks to do no harm. Just think what his "net rating" would be if he were more assertive on O and kept the same D.


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Re: Welcome Derrick White 

Post#550 » by shackles10 » Tue Jan 3, 2023 5:36 pm

Bostondave wrote:Not that interested in the defiintion of "net rating". Have been asking how it makes for an "impactful" player. D White, nor other of his fellow highly rated "net rating" fellows make much of a noticeable "impact" on their teams or the game from what I can see. Certainly not D White who plays soft, tentative and scared for the most part. With some small flashes of aggression. I'll give him props for his D. But not much else from him. He's tentative. Looks to do no harm. Just think what his "net rating" would be if he were more assertive on O and kept the same D.


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Post#554 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:22 am

Tentative White up to first among NBA guards in total blocks.
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Post#555 » by BK_2020 » Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:25 am

Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:Tentative White up to first among NBA guards in total blocks.

He leads the team by 7 blocks lol.
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Post#556 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue Jan 10, 2023 8:28 pm

Halfway thru the season, DWhite’s current block percentage is 3.0%. DWade, considered among the best shotblocking guards of all-time, eclipsed that only once in his career (2011-12).

EDIT: Jrue Holiday, one of the best active shotblocking guards, has never reached 2.0% block percentage.
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Post#558 » by shackles10 » Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:06 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:Halfway thru the season, DWhite’s current block percentage is 3.0%. DWade, considered among the best shotblocking guards of all-time, eclipsed that only once in his career (2011-12).

EDIT: Jrue Holiday, one of the best active shotblocking guards, has never reached 2.0% block percentage.


Not trying to discredit DWhite, but just curious if strips counted as blocks during DWade’s years as well? I honestly have no idea, and I’ve heard White talk about his blocks numbers to how he’s good at strips on the way up and they count as blocks.
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Post#560 » by Scoonie » Fri Jan 13, 2023 2:36 pm

I thought White was fantastic in last night's game. I feel very comfortable with the ball in his hands, and would much rather he have it at the end of games as opposed to Tatum.
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