SL Game Thread: Celtics vs Spurs – 7PM, Wed. 07-05-17 (Utah)

[truth18]

It looks like Brown was right to think he could use the Summer League experience.

Meanwhile, I have an odd question -- what does the "Kuma" in your name signify? I know it as the Japanese word for "mulberry", or something like that, and that's about it.

Kuma the Tekken character lol

Thanks!

I got it wrong, anyway:

Kuwa = mulberry
Kuma = bear

Tekken 7 is dope.

FYI Fencer, Kuma is a bear who fights people.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

Brown is too careless with the ball. Needs to cut down on the turnovers

He is forcing the issue where as tatum is taking what the defense gives him. Big difference in players.

Glad you're seeing that.

This is the reason I got on Brown last season. He still has a long way to go. People were calling him a superstar. Below average handles, not much of a passer, no court vision.

It's like people forgot how a really good rookie looks like. But I can't blame them, it's been a long time since we had a really good rookie. Last one was Joe Johnson who was traded during his rookie year. Prior to that it was Pierce and Antoine. I would put Tatum in that class just off potential, talent and overall game. I never felt that way about Jaylen.

Hes trying to prove too much too soon. I love that fire he has to be great, but honestly tatum has skills you just cannot teach that brown is trying to learn. Amazing basketball players can "just play" to borrow a line from good will hunting.

They just out there and everything makes sense with a split second, its lile they are not even thinking about ir, the brain just does it and the body follows.

This is also what made rondo so special, despite his lack of shooting, he didn't have to ever think to make the right pass or layup, it just happens without hesitation.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Yup, Brown has no instincts and has to get them from experience- Tatum has perfect instincts so far - don't know what his game will end up being, but you watch how calm he is and how easily he's reacting to the defense, it's better than I thought he'd be.

Tatum looks like he may be a better pro than a college player, like he was held back by the deliberate pace and set defenses. People said that about Wiggins and it was sort of true for him.

[Murta]

I called this for Jaylen Brown after his first summer league game earlier this week. He's not consistent yet. Has shown some improvement but hasn't turned a corner yet. He came into the league with a lower floor than Tatum, but his ceiling is very high... I think we'll know what we got by year three.

Wouldn't really be surprised if he blew out the league in year 6 after being mostly disappointing in years 3-5. He's young and his flaws are the stuff that can be fixed late.

[Slartibartfast]

He is forcing the issue where as tatum is taking what the defense gives him. Big difference in players.

Glad you're seeing that.

This is the reason I got on Brown last season. He still has a long way to go. People were calling him a superstar. Below average handles, not much of a passer, no court vision.

It's like people forgot how a really good rookie looks like. But I can't blame them, it's been a long time since we had a really good rookie. Last one was Joe Johnson who was traded during his rookie year. Prior to that it was Pierce and Antoine. I would put Tatum in that class just off potential, talent and overall game. I never felt that way about Jaylen.

Hes trying to prove too much too soon. I love that fire he has to be great, but honestly tatum has skills you just cannot teach that brown is trying to learn. Amazing basketball players can "just play" to borrow a line from good will hunting.

They just out there and everything makes sense with a split second, its lile they are not even thinking about ir, the brain just does it and the body follows.

This is also what made rondo so special, despite his lack of shooting, he didn't have to ever think to make the right pass or layup, it just happens without hesitation.

TBF to Jaylen, he has the much harder job on the squad - we're playing him as the primary creator when Jackson's not in the game.

That's not really his game but you can't really function as a team without someone taking the first crack.

This is one reason why I'm less bullish on the 7/11 tandem as a duo than most here. Neither of these guys currently projects as a guy very comfortable working behind the 3-point line as a primary point of attack. Both guys much better working mid-post and in as creators (and really more scorers than creators) and more as spot-up/closeout guys behind the line.

Stylistically they are very different, with Jaylen more speed/power and Tatum more size, skill and savvy, but I think they occupy similar roles.

Not saying it can't or won't work (defensively they should work well together with Jaylen projecting as a plus on man and Tatum a plus team defender). Just not a dream fit, especially in modern NBA offenses where so many of the high usage guys initiate from behind the arc.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

Glad you're seeing that.

This is the reason I got on Brown last season. He still has a long way to go. People were calling him a superstar. Below average handles, not much of a passer, no court vision.

It's like people forgot how a really good rookie looks like. But I can't blame them, it's been a long time since we had a really good rookie. Last one was Joe Johnson who was traded during his rookie year. Prior to that it was Pierce and Antoine. I would put Tatum in that class just off potential, talent and overall game. I never felt that way about Jaylen.

Hes trying to prove too much too soon. I love that fire he has to be great, but honestly tatum has skills you just cannot teach that brown is trying to learn. Amazing basketball players can "just play" to borrow a line from good will hunting.

They just out there and everything makes sense with a split second, its lile they are not even thinking about ir, the brain just does it and the body follows.

This is also what made rondo so special, despite his lack of shooting, he didn't have to ever think to make the right pass or layup, it just happens without hesitation.

TBF to Jaylen, he has the much harder job on the squad - we're playing him as the primary creator when Jackson's not in the game.

That's not really his game but you can't really function as a team without someone taking the first crack.

This is one reason why I'm less bullish on the 7/11 tandem as a duo than most here. Neither of these guys currently projects as a guy very comfortable working behind the 3-point line as a primary point of attack. Both guys much better working mid-post and in as creators (and really more scorers than creators) and more as spot-up/closeout guys behind the line.

Stylistically they are very different, with Jaylen more speed/power and Tatum more size, skill and savvy, but I think they occupy similar roles.

Not saying it can't or won't work (defensively they should work well together with Jaylen projecting as a plus on man and Tatum a plus team defender). Just not a dream fit, especially in modern NBA offenses where so many of the high usage guys initiate from behind the arc.

Agreed. I think we see them staggered alot more than we see them together. Time will tell.

[DoubleHappiness]

One thing that sticks out to me still about Jaylen is that he IS an instinctive finisher. Or perhaps instincts are just another way to say you worked a helluva lot on it and now you can just play. It is absolutely bonkers how good Jaylen is finishing with the right or left. He can change direction with either hand mid air and easily finish. He changed a few times with his left the first SL game, and I think we all know he can finish with his right. His handle is still not great, but looks a little tighter.

Yes, Tatum is polished, but we knew that coming in to the draft. Let's see if he can get his shot on an actual NBA wing first.

[3D Chess]

The one thing that stood out to me watching Tatum's highlights from this most recent game is that you can barely tell if he's righty or lefty. Pretty incredible for such a young player to be so in control like that.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

He is forcing the issue where as tatum is taking what the defense gives him. Big difference in players.

Glad you're seeing that.

This is the reason I got on Brown last season. He still has a long way to go. People were calling him a superstar. Below average handles, not much of a passer, no court vision.

It's like people forgot how a really good rookie looks like. But I can't blame them, it's been a long time since we had a really good rookie. Last one was Joe Johnson who was traded during his rookie year. Prior to that it was Pierce and Antoine. I would put Tatum in that class just off potential, talent and overall game. I never felt that way about Jaylen.

Hes trying to prove too much too soon. I love that fire he has to be great, but honestly tatum has skills you just cannot teach that brown is trying to learn. .

If the7/11 name gets hit with a cease and desist order, let's call them Fire and Ice. Brown brings the fire and range while Tatum brings cool demeanor, with the timely scoring

[ViperGTS]

Holy cow you can't say ret*rded without it being blocked? Wow.

Yeah same thing happened to me the exact same way. I guess the boy or whatever cannot glean tense amf so thinks every invoking of.the word is an epithet and not the other meaning for it.

We have mods and posters here with mentally handicap kids. Just use a **** different word. That word makes you sound like you are ten years old and induces much cringe so they are doing you a favor.

You do kniw that "word" is in the dictionary, right? That word, in the context of my statement meant to slow or...see I can't even say it...

Your explanation makes me cringe as you are seemingly unable to understand how I was using a word that is well know to have many descriptive uses. What if I wanted to explain how to set the timing of a car engine? Would I be a 10 year old by using the word that is a generally accepted or would I be hammered for that too?

It's insane. Sticks and stones apparently has lost its meaning completely. Words have context and to call someone a 10 year old because they used a valid word, that is used as a descriptor for numerous things..and not just derogatory is pathetic.

I would have been perfectly fine with your explanation, until you called me a 10 year old. I think I you need to go take English 101 somewhere.

[truth18]

Yeah same thing happened to me the exact same way. I guess the boy or whatever cannot glean tense amf so thinks every invoking of.the word is an epithet and not the other meaning for it.

We have mods and posters here with mentally handicap kids. Just use a **** different word. That word makes you sound like you are ten years old and induces much cringe so they are doing you a favor.

You do kniw that "word" is in the dictionary, right? That word, in the context of my statement meant to slow or...see I can't even say it...

Your explanation makes me cringe as you are seemingly unable to understand how I was using a word that is well know to have many descriptive uses. What if I wanted to explain how to set the timing of a car engine? Would I be a 10 year old by using the word that is a generally accepted or would I be hammered for that too?

It's insane. Sticks and stones apparently has lost its meaning completely. Words have context and to call someone a 10 year old because they used a valid word, that is used as a descriptor for numerous things..and not just derogatory is pathetic.

I would have been perfectly fine with your explanation, until you called me a 10 year old. I think I you need to go take English 101 somewhere.

My sincere apologies for saying you sound like a ten year old. You're hands down one of my favorite posters on here and it wasn't my intention to hurt your feelings like that.

The truth is that the website shouldn't have a censor at all, for any word, but that's not the realgm we live in.

If you are fine with the rest of my explanation it would seem we have no more to discuss.

[ViperGTS]

We have mods and posters here with mentally handicap kids. Just use a **** different word. That word makes you sound like you are ten years old and induces much cringe so they are doing you a favor.

You do kniw that "word" is in the dictionary, right? That word, in the context of my statement meant to slow or...see I can't even say it...

Your explanation makes me cringe as you are seemingly unable to understand how I was using a word that is well know to have many descriptive uses. What if I wanted to explain how to set the timing of a car engine? Would I be a 10 year old by using the word that is a generally accepted or would I be hammered for that too?

It's insane. Sticks and stones apparently has lost its meaning completely. Words have context and to call someone a 10 year old because they used a valid word, that is used as a descriptor for numerous things..and not just derogatory is pathetic.

I would have been perfectly fine with your explanation, until you called me a 10 year old. I think I you need to go take English 101 somewhere.

My sincere apologies for saying you sound like a ten year old. You're hands down one of my favorite posters on here and it wasn't my intention to hurt your feelings like that.

The truth is that the website shouldn't have a censor at all, for any word, but that's not the realgm we live in.

If you are fine with the rest of my explanation it would seem we have no more to discuss.

It's fine. Sorry for spouting off. I'm locked into fighting for literary freedom, even that which I hate or disagree with

[truth18]

You do kniw that "word" is in the dictionary, right? That word, in the context of my statement meant to slow or...see I can't even say it...

Your explanation makes me cringe as you are seemingly unable to understand how I was using a word that is well know to have many descriptive uses. What if I wanted to explain how to set the timing of a car engine? Would I be a 10 year old by using the word that is a generally accepted or would I be hammered for that too?

It's insane. Sticks and stones apparently has lost its meaning completely. Words have context and to call someone a 10 year old because they used a valid word, that is used as a descriptor for numerous things..and not just derogatory is pathetic.

I would have been perfectly fine with your explanation, until you called me a 10 year old. I think I you need to go take English 101 somewhere.

My sincere apologies for saying you sound like a ten year old. You're hands down one of my favorite posters on here and it wasn't my intention to hurt your feelings like that.

The truth is that the website shouldn't have a censor at all, for any word, but that's not the realgm we live in.

If you are fine with the rest of my explanation it would seem we have no more to discuss.

It's fine. Sorry for spouting off. I'm locked into fighting for literary freedom, even that which I hate or disagree with

100% with you there, and in the interest of being entirely honest, I read your initial exchange incorrectly. I thought you were using it as an insult or something before you said that.

I'll take this as an opportunity to once again point out that you can say "pussy" and "bitch" on here but can't describe feces as ****. Censor is unneccasry and extremely hypocritical in what it censors.

[ViperGTS]

My sincere apologies for saying you sound like a ten year old. You're hands down one of my favorite posters on here and it wasn't my intention to hurt your feelings like that.

The truth is that the website shouldn't have a censor at all, for any word, but that's not the realgm we live in.

If you are fine with the rest of my explanation it would seem we have no more to discuss.

It's fine. Sorry for spouting off. I'm locked into fighting for literary freedom, even that which I hate or disagree with

100% with you there, and in the interest of being entirely honest, I read your initial exchange incorrectly. I thought you were using it as an insult or something before you said that.

I'll take this as an opportunity to once again point out that you can say "pussy" and "bitch" on here but can't d
escribe feces as ****. Censor is unneccasry and extremely hypocritical in what it censors.

Wow I didn't know you could say those. Interesting. Whatever. It wasn't a huge deal for me outside of when I posted it and saw that content advisory warning I was mildly suprised. Seems pretty arbitrary lol.

[Curmudgeon]

Everyone knew Tatum was going to be good-- best player in the ACC tournament with a total offensive package. But let's stop patting ourselves on the back. This Summer league team has played poorly as a team. No ball movement. Atrocious guard play. Zizic looks gassed. Jaylen Brown has been a turnover machine. No three point shooting. No perimeter defense-- how can you let a scrub like Bryn Forbes, who went undrafted, burn you for 31 points? Disagraceful.

[ViperGTS]

Everyone knew Tatum was going to be good-- best player in the ACC tournament with a total offensive package. But let's stop patting ourselves on the back. This Summer league team has played poorly as a team. No ball movement. Atrocious guard play. Zizic looks gassed. Jaylen Brown has been a turnover machine. No three point shooting. No perimeter defense-- how can you let a scrub like Bryn Fores, who went undrafted, burn you for 31 points? Disagraceful.

Well it is summer league. I tend to look for transferable abilities. Tatums post up, spin then fall way jumper translates at any level. How he calmly sidestepped an oncoming defender then drained a 3 is stuff of a 10 year vet. He nose of the ball around the rim is also not usual for a rookie in his second pro game.

Jaylen will be fine, as other have noted he seems to be trying to do more in basically a practice game. I'd rather him work on stuff here than during the season. He was extremely raw and how he looks now and what he had done last season, especially late is exactly the rollercoaster one wild expect early on.

[sam_I_am]

Everyone knew Tatum was going to be good-- best player in the ACC tournament with a total offensive package. But let's stop patting ourselves on the back. This Summer league team has played poorly as a team. No ball movement. Atrocious guard play. Zizic looks gassed. Jaylen Brown has been a turnover machine. No three point shooting. No perimeter defense-- how can you let a scrub like Bryn Forbes, who went undrafted, burn you for 31 points? Disagraceful.

Forbes put up 27 in regular season last year against real NBA players.

And although I agree with your assessment of SL team, if Tatum is as good as he looks .... you can include the entire rest of SL roster in S+T for Hayward and it won't matter. Hayward/Tatum will be beasting for 4 years!

[Curmudgeon]

And although I agree with your assessment of SL team, if Tatum is as good as he looks .... you can include the entire rest of SL roster in S+T for Hayward and it won't matter.

Does that include Jaylen Brown?

[Parliament10]

SL Game Thread: Celtics vs Jazz – 9PM, Thurs. 07-06-17 (Utah)
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1590983