2019 NBA draft

Andrew McCeltic · Post #561 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:00 am

Bol had an intriguing start to the year but he looks like a riskier Mo Bamba - tall, long, skinny, with probably a better three-point shot. Add an injury, and..

Possible he’d be there with the BOS or LAC pick.

thelarrybirdx · Post #562 » by **thelarrybirdx** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:38 am

Andrew McCeltic wrote:Bol had an intriguing start to the year but he looks like a riskier Mo Bamba - tall, long, skinny, with probably a better three-point shot. Add an injury, and..

Possible he’d be there with the BOS or LAC pick.

Except, you know, Bamba doesn't look like an egg with feet, arms, and a head attached to him.

big-shot-ROB · Post #563 » by **big-shot-ROB** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:06 am

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
big-shot-ROB wrote:
jmr07019 wrote:
Does deandre hunter have any ability to guard NBA PFs or is he more like a Jaylen Brown type body wise.

I’d like to hear breakdowns on Morant, Culliver, Bol Bol and Hunter.

Some sites have him at 6'7, others at 6'8. Hunter looks really big in a college setup but I'd say that won't be the case in the league. One thing he's got going that Brown doesn't is that he really has wide and HIGH shoulders. If you see Brown he shoulders clearly have a decreasing angle while Hunter shoulders are more Leonard-esque.

I'm fairly confident in him going against the Tobias Harris of the world. I think he can also guard bigger and slower guys a-la Gallinari or Mirotic. But I don't think he can be at the 4 full time when going against, let's say Millsap.

As for Hunter, he is the safe bet. Fairly high IQ, team oriented, 3&D player. His handles are really basic at the moment, and he is a better on ball defender than a team one, but he does all the little things that lead to winning. The potential might be more capped (obviously the tools are there, but we can't expect every 6'7/6'8 guy to develop like Leonard, because we end up with fails like S. Johnson).

He projects to be a player in the mold of Otto Porter Jr, Ariza like. I don't think he has the creativity/handle/skill to create for himself at the next level, so don't expect him to be even a secondary creator/playmaker/handler. He tops as one of those 2 needed starters for championship teams. What I'd call the all-star role players.

I don't think Hunter adresses any Celtics needs. Brown might be more dynamic at hunting for his shot, and he is been shooting better lately so I don't think the shooting gap is even a gap between them. I guess he could slide into the spots/splits where tatum has to guard bigger players, specially next season when Morris won't be here (I hope).

But guys like that are fairly easy to find. Okeke is a second round option that brings kind of similar traits (obviously less advanced and elite) that you can pick if you want a big body to defend 3s/4s. And I still like Ojeleye a lot as a future option.

You pick him if he slides into the Kings pick obviously, but those colors I've highlighted is what I've identified as Celtics urgent needs and Hunter doesn't fit those.

I think youre selling Hunter short as a shooter relative to Brown— he’s legitimately great at it and Brown is not.

Im a big time fan of him— think he could become a near clone of Khris Middleton in the right situation.

Yeah, that might be the case. I knew he was shooting good this season (45% from 3) but I'd like to see more because he is at 2.5 3PMA.
Don't know about the Middleton projection. Khris is as good as a difficult shot maker as there exists. That guy freaking scares me. But he has some handles, playmaking and shot creation I'm not sure Hunter will ever have. At least it has not displayed any signs of it.

big-shot-ROB · Post #564 » by **big-shot-ROB** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:20 am

As for Bol Bol that some of you guys are talking about.

Let's concentrate on the positives first. If he didn't have the flaws he has, we would be talking about a top-3 pick. The guy is incredible. At that height, the fluidity of movement he has is incredible. Also the skills are amazing: he has incredible touch in every kind of shot possible (3, floater, turnaround, layup) and at that height, surprising good handles. In defense that wingspan helps him cover so much space.

But the flaws are there. And they're big flaws. We're talking unplayable at the end of games / playoffs kind of flaws. He'll never be able to add strength to that body. Doesn't have a great frame nor great shoulders. Has a really high center of gravity. Mo Bamba projected to fill out way better than Bol, and he is really struggling with the strength of the NBA. Also, Bol, while it might seem he is great at running the floor and moving around, the fact that he is that big I think exaggerates it a little bit. I think he'll have a real struggle defending the pick&roll and we'll get murdered in switches. Your best hope would be to kind of run a zone, but the NBA has the 5-sec defensive rule while that makes it quite difficult.

I'm not really sure how Bol Bol will fare. But seeing Porzingis still struggle to be healthy and impact winning, and Bol is tiers below Porzingis (mainly to frame, center of gravity, ..) I don't think he will have playoffs success as one of the main pieces of a team. But they way the league is trending to offense, you never know.

Body comparison between Bol Bol and Porzingis at young ages:

Spoiler:

Wes-J · Post #565 » by **Wes-J** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:45 pm

No issues burning one of those picks for Bol.

sam_I_am · Post #566 » by **sam_I_am** » Fri Mar 29, 2019 2:14 am

I like Kevin Porter Jr. a lot too. He has issues but he is an agitator.

m haynes · Post #567 » by **m haynes** » Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:59 pm

Watching the tourney Gonzaga Archie- Mora sucks B- IQ zero. IF we pick him I will hurl chunks.
PS He so bad I didn't waste my time looking up how to spell his name.

threrf23 · Post #568 » by **threrf23** » Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:48 am

If any of you are not watching Virginia/Purdue,

Turn it on for OT...helluva game

djFan71 · Post #569 » by **djFan71** » Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:49 am

DeAndre Hunter on the bench the last few minutes of regulation. Not a great endorsement for a top 10 pick.

threrf23 · Post #570 » by **threrf23** » Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:21 am

Well, if you didn't watch the game, check the highlights.

Carsen Edwards is a talented shooter/scorer and he played the game of his life tonight, for awhile in the 2nd half he couldn't miss. He's still a chucker who took more than 11 3s per 40 this season despite hitting less than 35% of them. I can't help but feel that he will end up a Celtic, for better or worse.

djFan71 · Post #571 » by **djFan71** » Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:42 am

threrf23 wrote:Well, if you didn't watch the game, check the highlights.

Carsen Edwards is a talented shooter/scorer and he played the game of his life tonight, for awhile in the 2nd half he couldn't miss. He's still a chucker who took more than 11 3s per 40 this season despite hitting less than 35% of them. I can't help but feel that he will end up a Celtic, for better or worse.

Great game. Guy I want from it is Jerome with either our last first rounder or maybe the 2nd. Would be a great backup, tall, can shoot and distribute.

LloydFree · Post #572 » by **LloydFree** » Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:12 pm

threrf23 wrote:
big-shot-ROB wrote:
Barrett has also too many question marks to trade up for him. He is playing along the greatest college player ever

lol. Zion's mortality will be exposed against Michigan State this weekend.

LOL just about summed up that statement.

big-shot-ROB · Post #573 » by **big-shot-ROB** » Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:11 pm

LloydFree wrote:
threrf23 wrote:
big-shot-ROB wrote:
Barrett has also too many question marks to trade up for him. He is playing along the greatest college player ever

lol. Zion's mortality will be exposed against Michigan State this weekend.

LOL just about summed up that statement.

He's posting the highest PER in the history of the NCAA with a 40-plus rating. Don't know that the freakin hell you guys are talking about really.

Tatumfor2 · Post #574 » by **Tatumfor2** » Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:44 pm

Zion + NBA Refereeing = Unstoppable!

robdog_5 · Post #575 » by **robdog_5** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 5:53 am

Couple guys who peaked my interest if we keep picks.

PJ Washington, Brandon Clarke, Langford, and Cam Johnson. Tre Jones defense at PG is good but he can’t shoot

threrf23 · Post #576 » by **threrf23** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 6:10 am

robdog_5 wrote:Couple guys who peaked my interest if we keep picks.

PJ Washington, Brandon Clarke, Langford, and Cam Johnson. Tre Jones defense at PG is good but he can’t shoot

Tre Jones has got heart. His shot will come in time. I'm unsure of his ability to run the point.

Cam Johnson is 6'9 and has averaged 6.4 rebounds per 40 throughout his five year college career. That's a terrible sign; rebounding is about effort/IQ/instincts/fundamentals....

PJ Washington looked good today. I mean you could throw him on an NBA team and he wouldn't look out of place.

Chuma Okeke was the man against UNC; sucks about his ACL tear.

Kyle Guy was awesome against Purdue, but I'm not sure he is considered an NBA prospect.

Hachimura did not look good against Texas Tech. I mean the whole Gonzaga team lacked poise to some effect, not just just Hach. But he was responsible for like 5 or 6 turnovers, half of them unforced. And he took a terrible shot towards the end of the game. He's in a Ryan Gomes mold, maybe more athletic (?) but I think Gomes had a better feel for the game (based in part on scouting capsules).

LarryBirdsFingr · Post #577 » by **LarryBirdsFingr** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 7:29 am

I havent done any work on the draft this year, strictly early scouting. I miss draft work.

SmartWentCrazy · Post #578 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 12:03 pm

LarryBirdsFingr wrote:I havent done any work on the draft this year, strictly early scouting. I miss draft work.

Youre not missing much— this draft sucks.

Curmudgeon · Post #579 » by **Curmudgeon** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 3:58 pm

In addition to Dombouya, I like Okeke and Naz Reid, both of whom have NBA bodies.

sportfan6197 · Post #580 » by **sportfan6197** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 8:54 pm

threrf23 wrote:
robdog_5 wrote:Couple guys who peaked my interest if we keep picks.

PJ Washington, Brandon Clarke, Langford, and Cam Johnson. Tre Jones defense at PG is good but he can’t shoot

Tre Jones has got heart. His shot will come in time. I'm unsure of his ability to run the point.

Cam Johnson is 6'9 and has averaged 6.4 rebounds per 40 throughout his five year college career. That's a terrible sign; rebounding is about effort/IQ/instincts/fundamentals....

PJ Washington looked good today. I mean you could throw him on an NBA team and he wouldn't look out of place.

Chuma Okeke was the man against UNC; sucks about his ACL tear.

Kyle Guy was awesome against Purdue, but I'm not sure he is considered an NBA prospect.

Hachimura did not look good against Texas Tech. I mean the whole Gonzaga team lacked poise to some effect, not just just Hach. But he was responsible for like 5 or 6 turnovers, half of them unforced. And he took a terrible shot towards the end of the game. He's in a Ryan Gomes mold, maybe more athletic (?) but I think Gomes had a better feel for the game (based in part on scouting capsules).

Cam Johnson doesn't play in the paint though..he's literally listed as a guard and even though he's got great length at 6'9 he's been a 2-3 at UNC. UNC also has a top 3 rebounder in all of college basketball in Luke Maye.

He's also a smart kid, (2 time All-Academic ACC team, graduated from PITT in 3 years) and has a high basketball IQ.

His ceiling is limited but Cam is legit. Focusing on his rebounding numbers when that wasn't his job is stupid, especially when you choose to ignore he was a 50/45/82 guy.