Celtics General Offseason (incl. Trade) Thread, 2019

[zoyathedestroya]

rumored trade is JB, Tatum, Smart and either our pick at 20, or the griz pick depending on who is talking. So yeah, 1 pick.

If you think that's a legit "rumor", I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you.

There are 30 other teams in the NBA that could make a better offer than that.

Wrong again. At most, there are only 28 teams who could make a better offer.

John Wall for Bradley Beal and Dwight Howard... WHO SAYS NO?!

[Andrew McCeltic]

Atlanta should offer 8/10, with outgoing salary (Bazemore, Len) for Bradley Beal.

Washington starts to rebuild, the Hawks go into free agency with Trae Young, Bradley Beal, John Collins, and 45 million in cap room to upgrade the 3 and 5 spots.. Get Vucevic, maybe Wilson Chandler, run a high-octane offense, move to Seattle.. they have hawks in the Pacific Northwest, right?

[zoyathedestroya]

Atlanta should offer 8/10, with outgoing salary (Bazemore, Len) for Bradley Beal.

Washington starts to rebuild, the Hawks go into free agency with Trae Young, Bradley Beal, John Collins, and 45 million in cap room to upgrade the 3 and 5 spots.. Get Vucevic, maybe Wilson Chandler, run a high-octane offense, move to Seattle.. they have hawks in the Pacific Northwest, right?

Seattle Seahawks and Seattle Hawks. Nice.
If they move to the Western Conference, which West team moves to the East to maintain the balance/symmetry -- New Orleans Pelicans or Minnesota Timberwolves?

[hondobird]

how far would this team go:

Assumptions:
a. Cap experts can figure it out
b. I still believe in Tatum, Brown and Hayward
c. Rockets go re-boot mode
Moves:
1. Trade Memphis pick, R. Williams and 2 2019 picks for Capela
2. Irving, and Rozier leave
3. Re-sign Morris and Baynes
4. draft a shooter (Herro?)
5. Horford opts out and then C's resign him for 3 years
6. Sign Beverly

Result:
Smart
Brown
Tatum
Horford
Capela

Morris
Hayward
Beverly
Herro
Baynes

good Defense, good rebounders, versatility
shooting still not great

Thoughts? Should I send to Danny?

[cloverleaf]

how far would this team go:

Assumpions:
a. Cap experts can figure it out
b. I still believe in Tatum, Brown and Hayward
c. Rockets go re-boot mode
Moves:
1. Trade Memphis pick, R. Williams and 2 2019 picks for Capela
2. Irving, and Rozier leave
3. Re-sign Morris and Baynes
4. draft a shooter (Herro?)
5. Horford opts out and then C's resign him for 3 years
6. Sign Beverly

Result:
Smart
Brown
Tatum
Horford
Capela

Morris
Hayward
Beverly
Herro
Baynes

good Defense, good rebounders, versatility
shooting still not great

Thoughts?

Hayward next season is likely the best player on that team--what's he doing on the bench?

On that team I'd roll out
Beverly
Brown
Tatum
Hayward
Capela

But I'd rather keep Williams and not bring back Morris.

[Bohemian]

This offseason is completely unpredictable as a result of as a weird season. Nothing turned out the way it was supposed to do.
The identity of the team was lost, the camaraderie, the defense, the grit, the comebacks, the fight for the lost ball, the trust in Stevens...

So now we are facing weeks of uncertainty at least until the Finals end and draft night comes.

[WeLikeOurGuys]

I’d honestly just bring IT back on a one year deal.

[cloverleaf]

I’d honestly just bring IT back on a one year deal.

I think the team culture and chemistry has been ruined by a combined four years of IT/KI "me, me, me" self-absorbed, best-player/PG leadership. They need to detox from that.

[hondobird]

in: Capela (trade), Beverly (FA), Herro (#20)
out: R Williams (traded to Houston with Memphis pick and 14 and 22)
keep: Morris, Al, Baynes
leave: Kyrie, Rozier

assume they figure out cap
assume Rockets go re-boot mode
assume Brown, Tatum improve and Hayward returns to near pre-injury form

how would this team do:

Smart
Brown
Hayward
Horford
Capela
Bench: Tatum, Beverly, Herro, Morris, Baynes

[Bleeding Green]

No thanks. Also Houston can't trade for Kyrie if they are above the tax apron (100 pct certainty). I'm not absolutely positive, but signing and trading two players (Kyrie, Rozier) is against CBA rules too. If Kyrie leaves, why would you want a maxed Capela ?Just hope Williams can replicate 90% of him for 1/10th the cost. I like Capela a lot, but a bunch of his value is lost if you have no point guard on the roster.

Also Rockets with Kyrie/Harden/CP3/Rozier? Sounds bizarre. Rozier wouldn't agree to it under any scenario unless he were paid like double what he's worth.

[hondobird]

meant for them to leave via FA-

revised original post

thx

[Bleeding Green]

It doesn't work under the CBA at all in that case (Celtics are way over the cap and can't receive Capela). And that's so much to give up for Clint Capela, who is good, but Rob WIlliams can replicate him within a couple years. Celtics would be a 4 seed again with that roster, why pay Capela the max?

And Celtics would only have the MLE to sign Pat Bev, I don't think that'll be enough.

[Feed Your Head]

in: Capela (trade), Beverly (FA), Herro (#20)
out: R Williams (traded to Houston with Memphis pick and 14 and 22)
keep: Morris, Al, Baynes
leave: Kyrie, Rozier

assume they figure out cap
assume Rockets go re-boot mode
assume Brown, Tatum improve and Hayward returns to near pre-injury form

how would this team do:

Smart
Brown
Hayward
Horford
Capela
Bench: Tatum, Beverly, Herro, Morris, Baynes

Moved this into the off season thread, not really thread worthy in itself. The trade isn't possible salary wise, as Bleeding said. But playing along, that team would be too limited offensively.

I want Rozier gone, and I've accepted that Kyrie is probably gone, but I don't think this is the route they should go in that scenerio.

[hondobird]

thanks for the feedback guys

[bucknersrevenge]

Brown, Smart, and 20 for Beal....yea, ok.

The Celtics would have to come up off every pick they own to make that one happen.

so we can trade 1 pick and get AD, but Beal would cost us every pick we own...

Good grief.

If the Celtics could trade 1 pick for Davis, that trade would have happened already. Get real.

Actually there's a very real and legal reason that trade hasn't happened. It's called the Rose Rule. You're not good at this. Every post you've made has been burned down to the ground.

[Darthlukey]

so we can trade 1 pick and get AD, but Beal would cost us every pick we own...

Good grief.

If the Celtics could trade 1 pick for Davis, that trade would have happened already. Get real.

Actually there's a very real and legal reason that trade hasn't happened. It's called the Rose Rule. You're not good at this. Every post you've made has been burned down to the ground.

Just saw the the post that incited the conversation. Every pick we own for beal, in addition to brown and smart? That would be worse than the nets deal. Beal is a great 2guard, but clearly not worth that price. And Beal would only be moved if Washington decide to tear it down anyway

[Andrew McCeltic]

Atlanta should offer 8/10, with outgoing salary (Bazemore, Len) for Bradley Beal.

Washington starts to rebuild, the Hawks go into free agency with Trae Young, Bradley Beal, John Collins, and 45 million in cap room to upgrade the 3 and 5 spots.. Get Vucevic, maybe Wilson Chandler, run a high-octane offense, move to Seattle.. they have hawks in the Pacific Northwest, right?

Seattle Seahawks and Seattle Hawks. Nice.
If they move to the Western Conference, which West team moves to the East to maintain the balance/symmetry -- New Orleans Pelicans or Minnesota Timberwolves?

Memphis?

[Curmudgeon]

Memphis and New Orleans are both East of the Mississippi river, so pick one.

[Leprechaun18]

Here another link quoting Goodman. That basically states that DA and co are expecting KI to sign elsewhere. https://nesn.com/2019/06/nba-insider-implies-danny-ainge-would-be-happy-if-kyrie-irving-leaves/

[Andrew McCeltic]

Jesus.. big if true. Interesting shift from six months ago when Jaylen was the guy no one knew what to do with.. now Kyrie is the moody one..?

Really interesting would be to re-up Kyrie, trade for Davis with a promise to sign long term, then trade Kyrie in January or next June..

I think Irving will be fine if he’s not the franchise guy - if he still wants that, he’s got to look in the mirror a little more closely- he also wants to “team up” - and if he’s playing with Davis and a healthy Hayward, he can go into an introvert corner and it won’t be a problem for the whole locker room..