Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player

[GoGreen]

Hayward and picks for Blake? Yea... I'm not opposed.

Way I look at this, the Pistons aren't going anywhere. Their best players are a guy with an outdated style of play, and two others pushing 30. If they want to blow it up, Blake might not command a ton considering his injury history, and his contract.

Call me crazy but Hayward and a couple 1sts and I'm all in. We need size. Brad can rest him a ton during the regular season for all I care.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Hayward and picks for Blake? Yea... I'm not opposed.

Way I look at this, the Pistons aren't going anywhere. Their best players are a guy with an outdated style of play, and two others pushing 30. If they want to blow it up, Blake might not command a ton considering his injury history, and his contract.

Call me crazy but Hayward and a couple 1sts and I'm all in. We need size. Brad can rest him a ton during the regular season for all I care.

Blake's contract is longer than Hayward's, his salary is higher, he is older, and is a walking injury, and you want the Celtics to throw in a couple of firsts? That is terrible asset valuation.

[GoGreen]

Hayward and picks for Blake? Yea... I'm not opposed.

Way I look at this, the Pistons aren't going anywhere. Their best players are a guy with an outdated style of play, and two others pushing 30. If they want to blow it up, Blake might not command a ton considering his injury history, and his contract.

Call me crazy but Hayward and a couple 1sts and I'm all in. We need size. Brad can rest him a ton during the regular season for all I care.

Blake's contract is longer than Hayward's, his salary is higher, he is older, and is a walking injury, and you want the Celtics to throw in a couple of firsts? That is terrible asset valuation.

Lol that's why I'm some guy on the Internet and not a gm. Besides, stars are going for a lot. People want to compete and the door is wide open. 1st rd picks are being tossed around like nothing. His value is probably higher than you think, this year anyway.

Okay, so not 2 firsts. How about one? Idk, I'm not spending much time thinking about it. Point is, I'm okay trading for him. He had a very good yr and played 70+ games. the Cs staff can manage his minutes to avoid injury in the playoffs.

[Triple7]

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Steven Adams to the Celtics confirmed.

Kanter/Adams would CRUSH Philly.

Yup i agree! Those two together would be great against bigger lineups. Plus i don’t think trading brown would clear the log jam, if were trading some one, it has to be hayward to free the logjam at the 3. Unless hayward or tatum can play the 2.

[RB34]

Thinking of a Griffin trade makes me sick!

[Captain_Caveman]

In fairness, Cave has cut back on the frequency with which he poisons discussion. I wouldn't be here now if he were still doing it at his old rate. Perhaps we can learn to tolerate this level of awfulness. And of course -- presumably with a few exceptions -- none of us knows much about the other's lives. Perhaps he has some demons that drive him relentlessly to do this.

This is baiting. Knock it off. And the last part is just wholly offensive and unnecessary— you're better than that.

I apologize. Obviously what I want in a forum isn't a great fit for this one at this time. Easily fixed.

IMO, easiest fixes are putting people on ignore, or only participating in conversations you want to be a part of, rather than blaming barely active posters for attacking them unprovoked and then acting like they are the reason you need to leave the board.

[Pacino62]

This is baiting. Knock it off. And the last part is just wholly offensive and unnecessary— you're better than that.

I apologize. Obviously what I want in a forum isn't a great fit for this one at this time. Easily fixed.

IMO, easiest fixes are putting people on ignore, or only participating in conversations you want to be a part of, rather than blaming barely active posters for attacking them unprovoked and acting like they are the reason you need to leave the board.

Or just not participating in online forums. This isn’t directed at Fencer, but in all the years I’ve been on here, I still wonder why some people bother logging on.

[cloverleaf]

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Steven Adams to the Celtics confirmed.

Kanter/Adams would CRUSH Philly.

Yup i agree! Those two together would be great against bigger lineups. Plus i don’t think trading brown would clear the log jam, if were trading some one, it has to be hayward to free the logjam at the 3. Unless hayward or tatum can play the 2.

They'd also miss Gordo's playmaking in the starting lineup to replace Horford's however. And undoubtedly see him, if healthy, as the far more skilled and rounded player than JB. Also, he seems more of a team player than the once and possibly again malcontent that is JB.

But you're right re: Hayward and Tatum still being best suited in a way for the SF position. Supposedly Hayward has trimmed down and is working on making his speed "better than ever", however, so maybe he is aiming to get back to more of a 2/3 wing. Also, of course, the C's have more extended control over JB than Gordon. And I still wouldn't be shocked if Hayward has quietly asked to be traded from the teacher's pet seat he has here under Brad with the C's.

There's also a major difference in what the two players' contracts offer in terms of salary matching, of course.

[Triple7]

Kanter/Adams would CRUSH Philly.

Yup i agree! Those two together would be great against bigger lineups. Plus i don’t think trading brown would clear the log jam, if were trading some one, it has to be hayward to free the logjam at the 3. Unless hayward or tatum can play the 2.

They'd also miss Gordo's playmaking in the starting lineup to replace Horford's however. And undoubtedly see him, if healthy, as the far more skilled and rounded player than JB. Also, he seems more of a team player than the once and possibly again malcontent that is JB.

But you're right re: Hayward and Tatum still being best suited in a way for the SF position. Supposedly Hayward has trimmed down and is working on making his speed "better than ever", however, so maybe he is aiming to get back to more of a 2/3 wing. Also, of course, the C's have more extended control over JB than Gordon. And I still wouldn't be shocked if Hayward has quietly asked to be traded from the teacher's pet seat he has here under Brad with the C's.

There's also a major difference in what the two players' contracts offer in terms of salary matching, of course.

I really think hayward can play the 2 on most matchups. If opposing teams plays small with 2 pg’s, we can always switch with smart to pair with kemba. Hayward can be one of our best players next season if he returns to form, which i think he will. The key would brad and how he manage the rotations and give consistent minutes to the starters. It pissed me off when he benches starters for so long and ices them.

[Slartibartfast]

I think the problem is that literally anyone + Kanter is a serious problem defensively.

My new pet trade is some version of Kanter/Theis for Cody Zeller from Charlotte.

Zeller would be an excellent center for this team. Very strong all-around defender. Capable rebounder. Good screener. Solid roll man. Decent contract. Excellent chemistry with Kemba

I wouldn't trade Kanter for Zeller straight up for each other. Zeller is an utter mediocrity in my eyes. At least Kanter is exceptional at rebounding, and he's a pretty decent scorer. I have a feeling the Kanter we'll be seeing is close to what he showed in the playoffs for Portland, which was much better than Zeller has been. Kanter also once put up 33 pts and 22 boards against Embiid and the Sixers. I'm hoping Brad can work some magic with him on the defensive end. We'll see.

Zeller is boring yes, but Kanter is far more of a mediocrity. Zeller is not a great rebounder like Kanter, but he's solid. He's also a solid roll man and better at running in transition. Most importantly on defense Zeller is very well-rounded. He's got pretty quick feet, he contests well at the rim AND on the perimeter, he plays intelligently and with strong effort and he consistently makes the right play.

Kanter will score in the post and rebound all day, but he will also ruin your defensive integrity almost single-handed. He also needs to score to stay useful, meaning you have to feed him in the post and on the roll a fair amount, which diminishes some of the offensive utility off your other guys.

[Slartibartfast]

Hayward and picks for Blake? Yea... I'm not opposed.

Way I look at this, the Pistons aren't going anywhere. Their best players are a guy with an outdated style of play, and two others pushing 30. If they want to blow it up, Blake might not command a ton considering his injury history, and his contract.

Call me crazy but Hayward and a couple 1sts and I'm all in. We need size. Brad can rest him a ton during the regular season for all I care.

Blake's contract is longer than Hayward's, his salary is higher, he is older, and is a walking injury, and you want the Celtics to throw in a couple of firsts? That is terrible asset valuation.

It's certainly a risk, but Blake was signficantly better than Hayward last year and has been for the significant majority of both their careers.

Injury is a factor in both player's evaluation. With Blake you get the better player who will probably only play 60 games a year. With Hayward you get a guy who might have lost the athletic edge that made him more than just a jack of all trades utility player.

[FlatearthZorro]

I honestly doubt Danny wants Blake. Maybe I'm wrong, but Danny rarely takes chances on guys who are injury prone and have lengthy contracts.

[ZeroTolerance]

With all the talk about getting Blake Griffin and the yak about talks with Orlando and whether we could afford to sign Jaylen Brown or not got me busy with the trade checker.... this one works.... Trade ID #7231309....I'd really have to think about it though?


Gordon Hayward to Orlando

Evan Fournier @ Jaylen Brown to Detroit

Jonathan Isaac and Blake Griffin to Boston

What would make it work possibly is if Orlando would part with Issac to get Hayward?...And if we thought getting Griffin was worth parting with Hayward and Brown (if we can't resign Brown reasonably)...As far as Detroit is concerned, they would have Fournier and a year of Jaylen Brown....would be a gamble for them perhaps?


I think at 6'10 Issac could help us too and he has an extra year on his rookie deal over Brown...But I'm worried that losing Hayward might screw up the continuity of the team?....Though the idea of having Griffin come playoff time could be huge if he can return to form....I guess it's all about Gordon Hayward's value to the team and whether we plan to resign Brown?

[MagicBagley18]

No way on Blake griffin....he can’t stay healthy. He just can’t. Hayward healthy will have a much bigger impact on the team than Blake. Playmaking/shooting etc

Blake in a position of need or not no thanks. His best days are behind him. I’m all about making a move and I get it but no not Blake.

[ZeroTolerance]

No way on Blake griffin....he can’t stay healthy. He just can’t. Hayward healthy will have a much bigger impact on the team than Blake. Playmaking/shooting etc

Blake in a position of need or not no thanks. His best days are behind him. I’m all about making a move and I get it but no not Blake.

I hear this....He will be 31 this year...And his wheels are questionable at best...He's always been used hard but he was a talent and if he can still play, he would be the best player in the deal...But that's a big IF?

Maybe the play with Orlando was about getting Aaron Gordon?.... With Fornier....that probably works with us sending out Brown and Hayward?... If we got Bomba in the deal....I don't know?... That might be a decent trade?...Gordon and Tatum are almost the same player though?..But maybe two heads are better than one?... and maybe Fornier can do for us what Haywood does?... He's always been a pain in our side.. that's for sure?

Gordon is younger and more reasonable than Blake...

If we added Ojele to the deal.... That swap works....Bet Orlando would want a pick too though... They would be gambling on Issac replacing Gordon...Doubt that Danny would agree to that though it's an interesting angle....Fornier can play...

[MagicBagley18]

No way on Blake griffin....he can’t stay healthy. He just can’t. Hayward healthy will have a much bigger impact on the team than Blake. Playmaking/shooting etc

Blake in a position of need or not no thanks. His best days are behind him. I’m all about making a move and I get it but no not Blake.

I hear this....He will be 31 this year...And his wheels are questionable at best...He's always been used hard but he was a talent and if he can still play, he would be the best player in the deal...But that's a big IF?

Maybe the play with Orlando was about getting Arron Gordon?.... With Fornier....that probably works with us sending out Brown and Hayward?... If we got Bomba in the deal....I don't know?... That might be a decent trade?...Gordon and Tatum are almost the same player though?..But maybe two heads are better than one?... and maybe Fornier can do for us what Haywood does?... He's always been a pain in our side.. that's for sure?

Gordon is younger and more reasonable than Blake...

I’m not trading Hayward right now. I’ll take the risk he comes back healthy. I think he will and I think he’s going to have a really good year and I’ll also risk that if we are open to moving Hayward and he shows how well he fits with Brad and this system that’s a faster pace than Utah his value will be higher than that deal or used to get a better caliber player than those guys

[Ernest]

Hayward and picks for Blake? Yea... I'm not opposed.

Way I look at this, the Pistons aren't going anywhere. Their best players are a guy with an outdated style of play, and two others pushing 30. If they want to blow it up, Blake might not command a ton considering his injury history, and his contract.

Call me crazy but Hayward and a couple 1sts and I'm all in. We need size. Brad can rest him a ton during the regular season for all I care.

Blake's contract is longer than Hayward's, his salary is higher, he is older, and is a walking injury, and you want the Celtics to throw in a couple of firsts? That is terrible asset valuation.

It's certainly a risk, but Blake was signficantly better than Hayward last year and has been for the significant majority of both their careers.

Injury is a factor in both player's evaluation. With Blake you get the better player who will probably only play 60 games a year. With Hayward you get a guy who might have lost the athletic edge that made him more than just a jack of all trades utility player.

Really good points. I'm not really a fan of getting Blake, but at this point, it might be time to start taking some risks. If we have another season or two like the one we just had, we might be looking at our young guys walking. We need to get back to being a team that at least on paper is a contender. That will probably take some risks unless a real top level star demands a trade and wants to be here.

[ZeroTolerance]

No way on Blake griffin....he can’t stay healthy. He just can’t. Hayward healthy will have a much bigger impact on the team than Blake. Playmaking/shooting etc

Blake in a position of need or not no thanks. His best days are behind him. I’m all about making a move and I get it but no not Blake.

I hear this....He will be 31 this year...And his wheels are questionable at best...He's always been used hard but he was a talent and if he can still play, he would be the best player in the deal...But that's a big IF?

Maybe the play with Orlando was about getting Arron Gordon?.... With Fornier....that probably works with us sending out Brown and Hayward?... If we got Bomba in the deal....I don't know?... That might be a decent trade?...Gordon and Tatum are almost the same player though?..But maybe two heads are better than one?... and maybe Fornier can do for us what Haywood does?... He's always been a pain in our side.. that's for sure?

Gordon is younger and more reasonable than Blake...

I’m not trading Hayward right now. I’ll take the risk he comes back healthy. I think he will and I think he’s going to have a really good year and I’ll also risk that if we are open to moving Hayward and he shows how well he fits with Brad and this system that’s a faster pace than Utah his value will be higher than that deal or used to get a better caliber player than those guys

I tend to agree though Aaron Gordon has been an all star (I think?)... He's one guy I've actually talked about possibly trading Tatum for...Again... not sure I would...But you never know what might be in the works?

And dammit, it's "Silly Season" after all!.... What better way for an old man to waste a hot humid day next to the air conditioner!

[MagicBagley18]

I hear this....He will be 31 this year...And his wheels are questionable at best...He's always been used hard but he was a talent and if he can still play, he would be the best player in the deal...But that's a big IF?

Maybe the play with Orlando was about getting Arron Gordon?.... With Fornier....that probably works with us sending out Brown and Hayward?... If we got Bomba in the deal....I don't know?... That might be a decent trade?...Gordon and Tatum are almost the same player though?..But maybe two heads are better than one?... and maybe Fornier can do for us what Haywood does?... He's always been a pain in our side.. that's for sure?

Gordon is younger and more reasonable than Blake...

I’m not trading Hayward right now. I’ll take the risk he comes back healthy. I think he will and I think he’s going to have a really good year and I’ll also risk that if we are open to moving Hayward and he shows how well he fits with Brad and this system that’s a faster pace than Utah his value will be higher than that deal or used to get a better caliber player than those guys

I tend to agree though Aaron Gordon has been an all star (I think?)... He's one guy I've actually talked about possibly trading Tatum for...Again... not sure i would...but you never know what might be in the works?

And dammit, it's silly season after all! what better way for an old man to waste a hot humid day next to the air conditioner!

Haha I hear ya! this is peak silly season so really no wrong trade proposals right now.

[yeahM8]

no blake. surely you guys can get a bit more creative than finding bad maxs. next we will hear hayward for cp.