Fire Ainge: Thanks Danny, but it's time to go

[CelticsLV]

You just came off of 3 conf finals trips ???? Everyone wants a championship but gimme a break. You’re talking like he’s been bottom of the league the past 5 years.

Afraid not. You know why ? You give a GM like this a top 5 pick just once, that’s the last you see being a bottom feeder.

Fortunately, we have him and Wyc is smarter than message board posters.

Look how we robbed the Nets, we drafted Tatum + Brown with their picks! LOL at the Nets! Raptors are hanging division banners! Oh wait... Nets are basically the favorites to win it all before the Celtics, Raptors recently won a title. Meanwhile Celtics fans are hanging ECF banners

How tables have turned.

Yeah totally Ainge's fault that his team doesn't play in a city where Durant Kyrie and Harden wanted to team up, Nets really had to have a lot of skill to pull that one off.

Raptors won a title because they got lucky in the playoffs after being able to get Kawhi for so cheap that it made sense for them because the Spurs wanted DDR for some reason, which wasn't an available option to the Cs, and now they look like a team that probably won't contend for awhile.

Maybe it is his fault? Because NY has no weather card to play like LA, Miami. Besides, Harden was open for trade to other teams besides the Nets, including the Celtics. But I can bet Ainge didn't want to give up Brown for an MVP level player. And then you blame luck on Raptors going for it. By the way, they sent packing the same Bucks team which steamrolled Celtics in an embarrassing fashion. But it was obviously all about luck. And now they won't contend for a while? And Celtics are contending? We playing 7 game series with non-contending Raps and sitting tied with them in the strandings.

It's never Ainge, we are just unlucky. Some of the most pathetic excuse ever cooked up.

[Patsfan1081]

Look how we robbed the Nets, we drafted Tatum + Brown with their picks! LOL at the Nets! Raptors are hanging division banners! Oh wait... Nets are basically the favorites to win it all before the Celtics, Raptors recently won a title. Meanwhile Celtics fans are hanging ECF banners

How tables have turned.

Yeah totally Ainge's fault that his team doesn't play in a city where Durant Kyrie and Harden wanted to team up, Nets really had to have a lot of skill to pull that one off.

Raptors won a title because they got lucky in the playoffs after being able to get Kawhi for so cheap that it made sense for them because the Spurs wanted DDR for some reason, which wasn't an available option to the Cs, and now they look like a team that probably won't contend for awhile.

Maybe it is his fault? Because NY has no weather card to play like LA, Miami. Besides, Harden was open for trade to other teams besides the Nets, including the Celtics. But I can bet Ainge didn't want to give up Brown for an MVP level player. And then you blame luck on Raptors going for it. By the way, they sent packing the same Bucks team which steamrolled Celtics in an embarrassing fashion. But it was obviously all about luck. And now they won't contend for a while? And Celtics are contending? We playing 7 game series with non-contending Raps and sitting tied with them in the strandings.

It's never Ainge, we are just unlucky. Some of the most pathetic excuse ever cooked up.

It’s not about luck. Brooklyn opened up max spots at the right time, hit and developed their late picks enough to be able to move them for a superstar, and took chances. I’m not in the fire Ainge camp but he gave money to the wrong max players, missed on a lot of picks that he shouldn’t have held on to, and has been unwilling to add to a bench desperately lacking talent. Since the Tatum trade he just hasn’t been good..,

[jmr07019]

Everyone freaking about not having a superstar and wanting to make short term moves so that Tatum will leave us right as he enters superstardom

[GoGreen]

If you guys haven't watched Gary Washburn on CLNS he lays out facts. Articulates exactly how I've been feeling about Danny and the front office. Starts around 4:15

Watch on YouTube

[playa-hater]

Let's go back 2 years in time. Boston was in the semi finals "2 of 3" years. Lost with the Kyrie debacle. But for the most part was a legit NBA playoff team with 2 already emerging stars (the Js) GH and Smart at least.

Then imagine having 6 1st RD picks with 2 being mid-lottery picks (14+14) and 2 more second rders coming.

Then fast forward to now. We have ZERO production from 2019 +2020

14 Romeo Langford
22 Grant Williams
32 Carsen Edwards
46 Tremont Waters

then in 2020

14 - A Nesmith - the invisible man
26 - PP - make him a SG to let Kemba + Teague run PG
30 - traded D Bane (shooting 48 and 46% for the season)
48 - stash player

Most would have guessed/hoped/expected 2 years later we would be a strong contender! Am I right?

Now imagine any other decent playoff team 2 years ago. GS, Hou, Utah, LAL, LAC, Por, Denver, Toronto, Philly, Bucks, Miami etc, being gifted 6 1st rders (2 lottery) and 2 more 2nd rders.

Can anyone imagine those teams being 500% after that? At the very least I would have expected the other teams to have more draft production based on their recent draft history or at the least used the draft capitol to make significant trades.

Can anyone even phantom that Boston went from so much talent and assets to "we should tank the season" this year in only 2 years.

Does anyone think the other teams would have so many fans supporting our Coach/GM as much?? I'd bet heads would have rolled for many of those teams.

If fans here can be truly honest (and I wonder) they should look back at this and say, this was a Clear, Epic and Horrible Failing by both our coach and GM to have put this team in this situation. making matters worse, we're stuck in either trading future assets this year or even more next summer just to get back to where we should gave been.

One last question. Is there anyone here actually enjoying this season so far?

Oh, come on.

It was 2 late lottery picks plus 3 (not 4) later first-rounders.

Nesmith isn't remotely a bust yet.
You're taking the negative view on Langford. OK, but do you think his injuries reflect bad scouting on the Celtics' part?
You seem to agree Pritchard was a successful pick.

So the legitimate basis for your rant seems to boil down to a pick being divided into two salary dumps and a pick being divided into Grant/Carsen. Well, that and the fact that Danny salary-dumped two centers only to sign TT as a third one, and signed Teague as well.

Yes, some failures in the first round and vet FA, but is that worth large-font ranting about?

I realize we are on opposite ends of this spectrum. But 2 years ago I was watching Kyrie, Rozier, Hayward and Horford trying to help us win with the Js. Now I see TT, Teague, Semi, Grant Williams, J Green, Edwards etc playing. As well as watching us play some of the worst basketball in how many years? How anyone could even try to defend against my point literally shocks me.

[Red2]

Danny has gambled big and lost each of the last two years . He needs to make a couple of solid moves even if he has to overpay . His desire to win every trade or re- signing has hurt our team

[KrazyP]

Look how we robbed the Nets, we drafted Tatum + Brown with their picks! LOL at the Nets! Raptors are hanging division banners! Oh wait... Nets are basically the favorites to win it all before the Celtics, Raptors recently won a title. Meanwhile Celtics fans are hanging ECF banners

How tables have turned.

Yeah totally Ainge's fault that his team doesn't play in a city where Durant Kyrie and Harden wanted to team up, Nets really had to have a lot of skill to pull that one off.

Raptors won a title because they got lucky in the playoffs after being able to get Kawhi for so cheap that it made sense for them because the Spurs wanted DDR for some reason, which wasn't an available option to the Cs, and now they look like a team that probably won't contend for awhile.

Maybe it is his fault? Because NY has no weather card to play like LA, Miami. Besides, Harden was open for trade to other teams besides the Nets, including the Celtics. But I can bet Ainge didn't want to give up Brown for an MVP level player. And then you blame luck on Raptors going for it. By the way, they sent packing the same Bucks team which steamrolled Celtics in an embarrassing fashion. But it was obviously all about luck. And now they won't contend for a while? And Celtics are contending? We playing 7 game series with non-contending Raps and sitting tied with them in the strandings.

It's never Ainge, we are just unlucky. Some of the most pathetic excuse ever cooked up.

A big part of the Raptors success is that they were able to draft and develop a lot of talent with middling picks. This put them in a position to be able to make a big trade for a star and still have a deep team around that said star.

Fred VanVleet (undrafted)
Pascal Siakam (2016-#27pick)
Norman Powell (2015-#46)
OG Anunoby (2017 #23)
Jakob Poeltl (2016 #9) - used in Kawhi Trade
Delon Wright (2015 #20) - used in Gasol Trade

Ainge's draft record outside of the lottery is abyssal and thats a big part of why the Celtics are struggling to take that next step.

That said, in fairness to Ainge.....Horford-Kyrie-Hayward-Tatum-Brown on paper is a championship level starting 5. Sometimes its difficult to predict injuries and personality conflicts.

[BostonCouchGM]

the 2016 draft is a fireable offense
the 2019 draft is a fireable offense

combined with the decision to trade away a lottery pick in a loaded 2018 draft for a malcontent Kyrie rental and you see where we've landed. If not for idiot owners/G.M.s for the Nets and Sixers we'd be basement dwellers. Can you even imagine how bad we'd be had we not had those Nets picks? Or McHale gifting his buddy MVP candidate KG?

but hey, we made the ECF in a terrible Eastern Conference so...all is forgiven

[OldCeltics]

the 2016 draft is a fireable offense
the 2019 draft is a fireable offense

combined with the decision to trade away a lottery pick in a loaded 2018 draft for a malcontent Kyrie rental and you see where we've landed. If not for idiot owners/G.M.s for the Nets and Sixers we'd be basement dwellers. Can you even imagine how bad we'd be had we not had those Nets picks? Or McHale gifting his buddy MVP candidate KG?

but hey, we made the ECF in a terrible Eastern Conference so...all is forgiven

100%

The image of Danny as a competent GM is false. He was gifted KG by McHale. He let free agent after free agent leave for nothing, Hayward, Horford, Irving. He loves guards, can never have enough guards, while ignoring biggest need which is big men. Bad signings.

Ainge doesn't know how to build a team.

[GoCeltics123]

the 2016 draft is a fireable offense
the 2019 draft is a fireable offense

combined with the decision to trade away a lottery pick in a loaded 2018 draft for a malcontent Kyrie rental and you see where we've landed. If not for idiot owners/G.M.s for the Nets and Sixers we'd be basement dwellers. Can you even imagine how bad we'd be had we not had those Nets picks? Or McHale gifting his buddy MVP candidate KG?

but hey, we made the ECF in a terrible Eastern Conference so...all is forgiven

100%

The image of Danny as a competent GM is false. He was gifted KG by McHale. He let free agent after free agent leave for nothing, Hayward, Horford, Irving. He loves guards, can never have enough guards, while ignoring biggest need which is big men. Bad signings.

Ainge doesn't know how to build a team.

Again the KG argument is stupid. AD was gifted to the Lakers, that **** never mattered and never will. Are we blaming Pelinka for getting Anthony Davis now?

If you want to blame him for stuff, and he does deserve a lot of blame for this, it's not trading picks for established talent.

[djFan71]

the 2016 draft is a fireable offense
the 2019 draft is a fireable offense

combined with the decision to trade away a lottery pick in a loaded 2018 draft for a malcontent Kyrie rental and you see where we've landed. If not for idiot owners/G.M.s for the Nets and Sixers we'd be basement dwellers. Can you even imagine how bad we'd be had we not had those Nets picks? Or McHale gifting his buddy MVP candidate KG?

but hey, we made the ECF in a terrible Eastern Conference so...all is forgiven

100%

The image of Danny as a competent GM is false. He was gifted KG by McHale. He let free agent after free agent leave for nothing, Hayward, Horford, Irving. He loves guards, can never have enough guards, while ignoring biggest need which is big men. Bad signings.

Ainge doesn't know how to build a team.

Again the KG argument is stupid. AD was gifted to the Lakers, that **** never mattered and never will. Are we blaming Pelinka for getting Anthony Davis now?

If you want to blame him for stuff, and he does deserve a lot of blame for this, it's not trading picks for established talent.

Yep. I totally agree the 2016, 2019 drafts sucked, but you can't turn around and discount his historically great moves.

[flintsky21]

Ainge is always on the lookout for the blockbuster, KG-level deal but until he gets one, he'll settle on building the team around the cheapest options available, even at the expense of real talent. That's why this team is full of rookie contract guys. There's no middle ground for Ainge. And there's even less motivation for him to do anything drastic now that he's locked in the Jays for the long term and the owner has expressed undying support for him. He keeps saying he wants to build a contender, but he's building the team like it's on a constant rebuild.

[Fencer reregistered]

Danny has gambled big and lost each of the last two years . He needs to make a couple of solid moves even if he has to overpay . His desire to win every trade or re- signing has hurt our team

At least you're not in the camp that accuses Ainge of lack of courage.

[OldCeltics]

I'm tired of 13 years of mediocrity. Get a young big that can play!

Did you see the package Indiana offered for Hayward? Instead of getting a solid big and picks, he let Gordon walk for nothing.

[BK_2020]

I'm tired of 13 years of mediocrity. Get a young big that can play!

Did you see the package Indiana offered for Hayward? Instead of getting a solid big and picks, he let Gordon walk for nothing.

Yeah imagine if we had Myles Turner! We'd have won multiple championships! Just like Indiana!

[GoCeltics123]

I'm tired of 13 years of mediocrity. Get a young big that can play!

Did you see the package Indiana offered for Hayward? Instead of getting a solid big and picks, he let Gordon walk for nothing.

Yeah imagine if we had Myles Turner! We'd have won multiple championships! Just like Indiana!

Turner would've been our best big but he's mostly a minus on offense. Shoots 30% from three as a "stretch" big, yuck.

Would've liked McDermott though

[bbd24]

the 2016 draft is a fireable offense
the 2019 draft is a fireable offense

combined with the decision to trade away a lottery pick in a loaded 2018 draft for a malcontent Kyrie rental and you see where we've landed. If not for idiot owners/G.M.s for the Nets and Sixers we'd be basement dwellers. Can you even imagine how bad we'd be had we not had those Nets picks? Or McHale gifting his buddy MVP candidate KG?

but hey, we made the ECF in a terrible Eastern Conference so...all is forgiven

100%

The image of Danny as a competent GM is false. He was gifted KG by McHale. He let free agent after free agent leave for nothing, Hayward, Horford, Irving. He loves guards, can never have enough guards, while ignoring biggest need which is big men. Bad signings.

Ainge doesn't know how to build a team.

Drafting the likes of Tatum, Brown, Smart, Williams, Langford proves your wrong. What are they, all under 25 ? Yet that team alone beats up half the teams in the league. LOL

Now what happens when they actually develop together ? Do the math.

He’s one of, if not the smartest GM’s in the business. Always has built a winner. Your just ticked his young team isn’t doing well in an injury riddled Covid year (still .500 and have played the most crunch time games in the nba, 22).

You’re the same guy who wanted Fultz over Tatum. The same guy who told us Jaylen Brown won’t be able to shoot because he shot so poorly as a frosh at Cal. Gary Washburn, is that you ?

[scottyno]

I'm tired of 13 years of mediocrity. Get a young big that can play!

Did you see the package Indiana offered for Hayward? Instead of getting a solid big and picks, he let Gordon walk for nothing.

5 ECFs and 1 finals appearance despite horrid injury luck in about 6 different seasons is an interesting definition of mediocrity

[scottyno]

Look how we robbed the Nets, we drafted Tatum + Brown with their picks! LOL at the Nets! Raptors are hanging division banners! Oh wait... Nets are basically the favorites to win it all before the Celtics, Raptors recently won a title. Meanwhile Celtics fans are hanging ECF banners

How tables have turned.

Yeah totally Ainge's fault that his team doesn't play in a city where Durant Kyrie and Harden wanted to team up, Nets really had to have a lot of skill to pull that one off.

Raptors won a title because they got lucky in the playoffs after being able to get Kawhi for so cheap that it made sense for them because the Spurs wanted DDR for some reason, which wasn't an available option to the Cs, and now they look like a team that probably won't contend for awhile.

Maybe it is his fault? Because NY has no weather card to play like LA, Miami. Besides, Harden was open for trade to other teams besides the Nets, including the Celtics. But I can bet Ainge didn't want to give up Brown for an MVP level player. And then you blame luck on Raptors going for it. By the way, they sent packing the same Bucks team which steamrolled Celtics in an embarrassing fashion. But it was obviously all about luck. And now they won't contend for a while? And Celtics are contending? We playing 7 game series with non-contending Raps and sitting tied with them in the strandings.

It's never Ainge, we are just unlucky. Some of the most pathetic excuse ever cooked up.

The raptors luck was getting gifted a title because the entire Ws team got injured after they already made the finals. Though if you think the celtics aren't much closer to contending than the raptors you aren't arguing in good faith anyway.

And Kyrie and KD wanted to play together in New York, everyone knows that. So unless you blame Ainge for Boston not being in New York then no not really his fault that the Nets became a contender overnight and the Cs didn't.

[scottyno]

the 2016 draft is a fireable offense
the 2019 draft is a fireable offense

combined with the decision to trade away a lottery pick in a loaded 2018 draft for a malcontent Kyrie rental and you see where we've landed. If not for idiot owners/G.M.s for the Nets and Sixers we'd be basement dwellers. Can you even imagine how bad we'd be had we not had those Nets picks? Or McHale gifting his buddy MVP candidate KG?

but hey, we made the ECF in a terrible Eastern Conference so...all is forgiven

Taking a now 24 year old all star at #3 when most people on here wanted Dunn Bender or Hield sure sounds like that draft was a fireable offense