Poll: would you trade JB for KD?

[LuckyLeprechaun]

The fact that they definitely offered Jaylen, when other teams haven’t offered their Jaylen equivalent is fascinating.

I don't really think it is all that fascinating that other teams haven't offered that much. At KDs age, if you make a move for him you are expecting to win the title in the next 2 years. If trading your JB equivalent+pieces for KD doesn't leave you as the clear title favorite, it isn't really worth considering. The only teams I personally think had a JB equivalent they could trade while still being the clear title favorite were the Heat with Bam and the Suns with Ayton.

Not being able to have Bam and Simmons on the same team meant that the Heat one was always going to be difficult, and even if the Heat did it they would end up with a team full of guys who are way past their primes with their only good young player being Herro. That is a very bleak future for a team that isn't necessarily ahead of the Warriors after the move.

The Suns one made a good deal of sense and was talked about quite a bit but the Nets didn't really want Ayton that much and Ayton's contract situation made finding a 3rd team to bring someone else to the Nets very complicated.

People talk about the Raptors but that team to me isn't clearly ahead of Boston or the Bucks in the East in any of the scenarios that get them KD, let alone the Warriors.

Unless the Nets can find a good deal for Simmons (they can't) the Heat are out. The Suns are out. There's really no team that the move makes more sense for than Boston. I just think it might make even more sense for the Nets to just ride it out and try to fix things with KD than to try to build a future around JB and Simmons.

[bucknersrevenge]

29 pages and however many days, I had abstained from voting on this topic. It's been too divisive; nasty even. But what else is new, right? I guess I've had the fence somewhat perma-lodged up my ass because I could see both sides of the deal. The injury risk argument vs KS is still All-NBA. Honestly I had kinda been leaning toward doing the deal pending the exact terms. Smart and Rob are deal-breakers. But all that changed today.

Our patriarch Bill Russell passed away today. He IS everything that being a Celtic is about: team, selflessness, talent, discipline, hard work, and a tremendous hunger to succeed. I see that in the group Brad has assembled here. This current team has the chance to become one of the most dominant defenses ever. And if we play unselfish ball I think we can be a beautiful team to watch and I think we can get this done. So I'm gonna 100% cap to the fact that this is an emotional, narrative-based take but I now vote no on KD. Jaylen shook Russell's hand. He's a Celtic. He's worked hard he's been every bit the representative of this team on and OFF the court that Boston needs and Russell approves of. You can't move him now. And you can't bring in a merc who doesn't understand this place and this tradition that Russell built here like JB does having grown up in it. So I now hope Brad ends all pursuit of Durant in favor of giving this team the chance to do something special in honor of our king. As of today I am now 100% OUT on KD.

[moonie_mcgee]

The player that may match up best with KD physically is Abdul-Jabbar. Both fitness freaks, both lean and both amazing. Kareem joined the Lakers in 1976 and he turned 34 in 1981. If you can get KD for JB you do it.

Then just get rid of salary cap and go out and get former #1 picks to play backup center, Forward and PG (who is also a top 5 all time player) and you can duplicate that success. But if you need MVP caliber Durant over the next 4 years, the playoffs this year suggest to me his decline is well under way.

Maybe he was tired from the way Nash played him and if you are sure that is true and that the tank is still full….maybe you take that risk. I prefer not to. I agree completely with Curmudgeon.

Couldn't quite follow this but I agree with you and curm's take. You stick with the offer and see if it's eventually accepted. It's a good offer and both sides get something very good.

[moonie_mcgee]

The player that may match up best with KD physically is Abdul-Jabbar. Both fitness freaks, both lean and both amazing. Kareem joined the Lakers in 1976 and he turned 34 in 1981. If you can get KD for JB you do it.

Then just get rid of salary cap and go out and get former #1 picks to play backup center, Forward and PG (who is also a top 5 all time player) and you can duplicate that success. But if you need MVP caliber Durant over the next 4 years, the playoffs this year suggest to me his decline is well under way.

Maybe he was tired from the way Nash played him and if you are sure that is true and that the tank is still full….maybe you take that risk. I prefer not to. I agree completely with Curmudgeon.

Kareem is an interesting — if optimistic — comparison for an aging KD. Very different games. How about Dirk or our own KG?

I like the Jabbar comp better bc of their body type and the speed with which they play. Dirk had much more weight (in apoearance) and KGs game was much more explosive and powerful. Duncan may be a good one too. Where were the Spurs at with Duncan at 34?

[sam_I_am]

Then just get rid of salary cap and go out and get former #1 picks to play backup center, Forward and PG (who is also a top 5 all time player) and you can duplicate that success. But if you need MVP caliber Durant over the next 4 years, the playoffs this year suggest to me his decline is well under way.

Maybe he was tired from the way Nash played him and if you are sure that is true and that the tank is still full….maybe you take that risk. I prefer not to. I agree completely with Curmudgeon.

Kareem is an interesting — if optimistic — comparison for an aging KD. Very different games. How about Dirk or our own KG?

I like the Jabbar comp better bc of their body type and the speed with which they play. Dirk had much more weight (in apoearance) and KGs game was much more explosive and powerful. Duncan may be a good one too. Where were the Spurs at with Duncan at 34?

Spurs contended for 2 titles after Duncan turned 34 but Duncan went from a featured 20 ppg scorer to secondary scorer (13-16 ppg) and backbone of D. Scalabrine said it best though…..what’s the book on what happens to thin 7 foot wing men with elite shooting and handle after age 34? Nobody really knows because there never was one before KD.

[moonie_mcgee]

Kareem is an interesting — if optimistic — comparison for an aging KD. Very different games. How about Dirk or our own KG?

I like the Jabbar comp better bc of their body type and the speed with which they play. Dirk had much more weight (in apoearance) and KGs game was much more explosive and powerful. Duncan may be a good one too. Where were the Spurs at with Duncan at 34?

Spurs contended for 2 titles after Duncan turned 34 but Duncan went from a featured 20 ppg scorer to secondary scorer (13-16 ppg) and backbone of D. Scalabrine said it best though…..what’s the book on what happens to thin 7 foot wing men with elite shooting and handle after age 34? Nobody really knows because there never was one before KD.

Thanks for checking that sam and well said. It is an unknown. KDs averages would be different than Duncan's and his own from last year but what they'd be I don't know. I can only think of last years Celts with Brog at the 2 instead of JB and KD at the 4 instead of Horf - who'd be our super 6th man coming in for RWill3 (resting both). The ball movement with KD would be out of this world. The pressure AND the expectations on KD would be less than with the Nets too as we'd have so many options. Again, if you can swing it - let it rip, if not - just run it back. We're the favs in someplaces either way

[sonnyhill]

Question: Whose game compliments KD's game better, JB or JT's?

I would say that Brown is a better fit with KD than Tatum. Yet, Tatum is a higher value player than Brown.

Would the Celtic be better off exploring a trade of Tatum + other assets for KD instead of Brown + assets for KD?

I feel conflicted by this whole topic as I see value and greatness in KD, Brown and Tatum.

There are a number of things that I was considering exploring in this post, but first and foremost, you want to trade Tatum PLUS OTHER ASSETS for KD? Like, you don't think Tatum is enough to get it done, and the Nets would require more from us? I sincerely want you to propose a trade centered around Tatum for KD, post it on the trades board, and see what leaguewide fans think. Like, genuinely, sincerely, please do this.

Yup, I agree, Tatum might (hes not there yet) get to consistent top 5 status over the next few years. TO move him for KD is criminal, let alone more assets over and above Tatum.

https://fadeawayworld.net/nba-media/anonymous-eastern-conference-gm-suggests-wild-trade-jayson-tatum-for-kevin-durant-instead-of-giving-up-both-jaylen-brown-and-marcus-smart

Anonymous Eastern Conference GM Suggests Wild Trade: Jayson Tatum For Kevin Durant Instead Of Giving Up Both Jaylen Brown And Marcus Smart

Pairing KD with a more complimentary JB might just put the Celtics at the top of the Eastern Conference and force Golden State to have to double-team KD on defense.

So far, we have to give Brad Stevens an A for his off-season acquisitions. It would be remarkable if he could actually successfully pull off a KD acquisition.

The Boston Celtics emerged as the most serious suitors for Kevin Durant after the dust settled a little following his trade request. The Phoenix Suns and the Miami Heat were mentioned arguably more than any other teams, but the Celtics were the only team to offer a proper All-Star to the Nets in a deal for Durant.

The offer reportedly included Jaylen Brown, Derrick White, and picks, but the Nets weren't having it. According to reports, the organization was looking for Defensive Player Of the Year Marcus Smart to be included in any deal. This seems to have stalled talks between the two franchises and hasn't done much more than seemingly frazzled Brown a little.

And now, an anonymous rival GM from the Eastern Conference has given his thoughts on the deal, proposing a wild move that would get KD to Boston.

“I’d have to get Marcus Smart back and Jaylen Brown and a number of picks. If I’m Sean Marks and against my better judgment I traded in the division, then I’m trying to strip away what I know they need to win. Jaylen Brown and Marcus Smart give them all their toughness. That’s where the winning comes in for Boston. I’m not as afraid of them if you get both of them out of the building…

"KD and Tatum are talented, but I don’t know how tough they are. I know he’s a lot younger than KD, but if you’re just trying to win one title, do you trade Tatum for Durant? I’d do that before I’d give them Jaylen and Smart. Brown is valued a little less than Tatum because he’s not the skill darling. He’s a high-level athlete who has developed into a good player. But I have to think Brooklyn would prefer Tatum and you wouldn’t have to give up Smart."

Jayson Tatum is the face of the Boston Celtics, he is the superstar that they are hoping to build the next era of the franchise around. There is no way the Celtics would consider moving on from Tatum at this point, even if it is Kevin Durant they are getting in return. Whether they can make a deal happen or not remains to be seen, but it would be wild if Tatum was included in it.

[Darthlukey]

There are a number of things that I was considering exploring in this post, but first and foremost, you want to trade Tatum PLUS OTHER ASSETS for KD? Like, you don't think Tatum is enough to get it done, and the Nets would require more from us? I sincerely want you to propose a trade centered around Tatum for KD, post it on the trades board, and see what leaguewide fans think. Like, genuinely, sincerely, please do this.

Yup, I agree, Tatum might (hes not there yet) get to consistent top 5 status over the next few years. TO move him for KD is criminal, let alone more assets over and above Tatum.

https://fadeawayworld.net/nba-media/anonymous-eastern-conference-gm-suggests-wild-trade-jayson-tatum-for-kevin-durant-instead-of-giving-up-both-jaylen-brown-and-marcus-smart

Anonymous Eastern Conference GM Suggests Wild Trade: Jayson Tatum For Kevin Durant Instead Of Giving Up Both Jaylen Brown And Marcus Smart

Pairing KD with a more complimentary JB might just put the Celtics at the top of the Eastern Conference and force Golden State to have to double-team KD on defense.

So far, we have to give Brad Stevens an A for his off-season acquisitions. It would be remarkable if he could actually successfully pull off a KD acquisition.

The Boston Celtics emerged as the most serious suitors for Kevin Durant after the dust settled a little following his trade request. The Phoenix Suns and the Miami Heat were mentioned arguably more than any other teams, but the Celtics were the only team to offer a proper All-Star to the Nets in a deal for Durant.

The offer reportedly included Jaylen Brown, Derrick White, and picks, but the Nets weren't having it. According to reports, the organization was looking for Defensive Player Of the Year Marcus Smart to be included in any deal. This seems to have stalled talks between the two franchises and hasn't done much more than seemingly frazzled Brown a little.

And now, an anonymous rival GM from the Eastern Conference has given his thoughts on the deal, proposing a wild move that would get KD to Boston.

“I’d have to get Marcus Smart back and Jaylen Brown and a number of picks. If I’m Sean Marks and against my better judgment I traded in the division, then I’m trying to strip away what I know they need to win. Jaylen Brown and Marcus Smart give them all their toughness. That’s where the winning comes in for Boston. I’m not as afraid of them if you get both of them out of the building…

"KD and Tatum are talented, but I don’t know how tough they are. I know he’s a lot younger than KD, but if you’re just trying to win one title, do you trade Tatum for Durant? I’d do that before I’d give them Jaylen and Smart. Brown is valued a little less than Tatum because he’s not the skill darling. He’s a high-level athlete who has developed into a good player. But I have to think Brooklyn would prefer Tatum and you wouldn’t have to give up Smart."

Jayson Tatum is the face of the Boston Celtics, he is the superstar that they are hoping to build the next era of the franchise around. There is no way the Celtics would consider moving on from Tatum at this point, even if it is Kevin Durant they are getting in return. Whether they can make a deal happen or not remains to be seen, but it would be wild if Tatum was included in it.

Read this earlier today. Its still a silly move I think. Moving brown and smart is dumb, moving tatum is dumb. My thoughts, there are plenty of greater bball minds out there than mine

[LarryBirdsFingr]

No. As a wise man once said:


We like our guys.

[zoyathedestroya]

It's August and just like I promised, if this doesn't get done by July 31, I'm out. Changed my vote to NO. Let's roll with what we've got plus still-to-be-named 3rd big (though I'm totally cool and actually hoping Ime tries more smallball with more shooting in the regular season) and let's roll through the rest of the league. Brad, I've spoken. No to KD. A'ight? That's final.

[MagicBagley18]

Voted. Unvoted. Voted hell yes. Unvoted. Voted hell **** yeah again.

[BK_2020]

Anonymous Eastern Conference GM Suggests Wild Trade: Jayson Tatum For Kevin Durant Instead Of Giving Up Both Jaylen Brown And Marcus Smart

AKA Sean Marks

[Feed Your Head]

I do think it’s possible Brad installs some kind of deadline WRT Jaylen being on the table.

So hurry up, Nets.

[MagicBagley18]

I do think it’s possible Brad installs some kind of deadline WRT Jaylen being on the table.

So hurry up, Nets.

likely sooner but definitely in the next 3 weeks you’ll get one of these pretty publicly and vocally imo ; Durant taking back his trade demand through shams or woj. Durant killing other destinations other than Phoenix or Miami because another ones getting serious or a hollowed threat about him sitting out training camp.

Either way I expect a few more weeks of nothing at worse. If you ever get an expanded trade list or a leak “he’d be open to playing in Boston ” I believe it’s a done deal.

Still the mostly likely scenario is he stays in Brooklyn.

[Hal14]

Kareem is an interesting — if optimistic — comparison for an aging KD. Very different games. How about Dirk or our own KG?

I like the Jabbar comp better bc of their body type and the speed with which they play. Dirk had much more weight (in apoearance) and KGs game was much more explosive and powerful. Duncan may be a good one too. Where were the Spurs at with Duncan at 34?

Spurs contended for 2 titles after Duncan turned 34 but Duncan went from a featured 20 ppg scorer to secondary scorer (13-16 ppg) and backbone of D. Scalabrine said it best though…..what’s the book on what happens to thin 7 foot wing men with elite shooting and handle after age 34? Nobody really knows because there never was one before KD.

KD is 6'10", not 7'0". KG had a similar build to KD. KG started to decline quite a bit at age 32, right after we won the 2008 title.

Dirk was built more sturdy than KD but did have a similarly perimeter-oriented game. Dirk made his last all-NBA team at age 33.

Webber was kind of built similar to KD. Webber also had a good handle and shot (in mid range) for a player of his size, although obviously not on KD's level. The last year Webber made an all star team or all-NBA team was at age 29, yikes..

There's certainly exceptions where a dude has continued to play at a REALLY high level at age 35+ (Kareem, MJ, Karl Malone, LeBron, CP3) but those guys are the exception, not the rule.

[Feed Your Head]

[moonie_mcgee]

I like the Jabbar comp better bc of their body type and the speed with which they play. Dirk had much more weight (in apoearance) and KGs game was much more explosive and powerful. Duncan may be a good one too. Where were the Spurs at with Duncan at 34?

Spurs contended for 2 titles after Duncan turned 34 but Duncan went from a featured 20 ppg scorer to secondary scorer (13-16 ppg) and backbone of D. Scalabrine said it best though…..what’s the book on what happens to thin 7 foot wing men with elite shooting and handle after age 34? Nobody really knows because there never was one before KD.

KD is 6'10", not 7'0". KG had a similar build to KD. KG started to decline quite a bit at age 32, right after we won the 2008 title.

Dirk was built more sturdy than KD but did have a similarly perimeter-oriented game. Dirk made his last all-NBA team at age 33.

Webber was kind of built similar to KD. Webber also had a good handle and shot (in mid range) for a player of his size, although obviously not on KD's level. The last year Webber made an all star team or all-NBA team was at age 29, yikes..

There's certainly exceptions where a dude has continued to play at a REALLY high level at age 35+ (Kareem, MJ, Karl Malone, LeBron, CP3) but those guys are the exception, not the rule.

Hal I agree with your last paragraph for sure but isnt KDs frame much lighter than those guys. He's Jabbar, Ralph Sampson, Reggie Miller. I'm not saying not tough bc we know the true but boney is boney. Am I right.

[Hal14]

Spurs contended for 2 titles after Duncan turned 34 but Duncan went from a featured 20 ppg scorer to secondary scorer (13-16 ppg) and backbone of D. Scalabrine said it best though…..what’s the book on what happens to thin 7 foot wing men with elite shooting and handle after age 34? Nobody really knows because there never was one before KD.

KD is 6'10", not 7'0". KG had a similar build to KD. KG started to decline quite a bit at age 32, right after we won the 2008 title.

Dirk was built more sturdy than KD but did have a similarly perimeter-oriented game. Dirk made his last all-NBA team at age 33.

Webber was kind of built similar to KD. Webber also had a good handle and shot (in mid range) for a player of his size, although obviously not on KD's level. The last year Webber made an all star team or all-NBA team was at age 29, yikes..

There's certainly exceptions where a dude has continued to play at a REALLY high level at age 35+ (Kareem, MJ, Karl Malone, LeBron, CP3) but those guys are the exception, not the rule.

Hal I agree with your last paragraph for sure but isnt KDs frame much lighter than those guys. He's Jabbar, Ralph Sampson, Reggie Miller. I'm not saying not tough bc we know the true but boney is boney. Am I right.

Yeah KD's frame is similar to those guys. I was trying to use more recent examples.

[MagicBagley18]

I’ve had a chance to think about this... I voted yes

[Tyakack]

I’ve had a chance to think about this... I voted yes

I voted yes only because, "Hell Yes, I'll take a sick day to drive Brown to the airport myself" wasn't an option.