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Larry_Russell wrote:I want allen still.
Or wcjr
Those are ideal front court guys.
Still think Brown and Timelord for Harland and allen could be a thing.
Brown, brogdon and Kornet
For
Garland, allen and wade
Garland/pritchard
Smart/white
Tatum/??
??/gallo
Allen/horford
Still needing a starting pf and a backup sf.
But have draft and taxpayers mle.
Look to houston for 1 of their many pfs.
hugepatsfan wrote:Celts17Pride wrote:hugepatsfan wrote:
I just find this type of trade impractical on the payroll. RW3 plus a guard is close to $30M in salary. So you're trying to bring in a $30M player? Are you also trading Brown for multiple role players? Because if you're re-signing him or trading him for a different big salary star player then I don't see how you fit this "excellent quality big" into the payroll structure.
Your replacing $30+ million with $30+ million. There is no difference.
But what about replacing the guy you're downsizing. In your hypothetical trade we're moving a guard and RW for a big. So we're left with:
2 of Smart/White/Brogdon
Brown
Tatum
Horford
New Big Man
We need to add another guard/wing to replace the minutes lost, but we don't really have the means to do so now. How do we fill in that rotation so we aren't down to the bare bones? You can go with a minimum guy, but then you have to expect minimum production.
Celts17Pride wrote:hugepatsfan wrote:Celts17Pride wrote:Your replacing $30+ million with $30+ million. There is no difference.
But what about replacing the guy you're downsizing. In your hypothetical trade we're moving a guard and RW for a big. So we're left with:
2 of Smart/White/Brogdon
Brown
Tatum
Horford
New Big Man
We need to add another guard/wing to replace the minutes lost, but we don't really have the means to do so now. How do we fill in that rotation so we aren't down to the bare bones? You can go with a minimum guy, but then you have to expect minimum production.
You have Pritchard, Hauser, Gallo and maybe G Williams. Depends on who the big is.
hugepatsfan wrote:Celts17Pride wrote:hugepatsfan wrote:
But what about replacing the guy you're downsizing. In your hypothetical trade we're moving a guard and RW for a big. So we're left with:
2 of Smart/White/Brogdon
Brown
Tatum
Horford
New Big Man
We need to add another guard/wing to replace the minutes lost, but we don't really have the means to do so now. How do we fill in that rotation so we aren't down to the bare bones? You can go with a minimum guy, but then you have to expect minimum production.
You have Pritchard, Hauser, Gallo and maybe G Williams. Depends on who the big is.
To me you just recreated the same issue we had in the Finals run. Our rotation was:
Smart / Pritchard
Brown / White
Tatum
Horford / GWilliams
RWilliams
You want to go back to the same exact PG/SG/SF rotation we had that was deemed not good enough because we needed another ball handler and also potentially replace Grant Williams with Gallo (downgrade, especially based on how Grant played in that run).
What big do you have in mind? If you're thinking a legit all star then yeah, worth discussing. But if you're talking about a sub all star type guy in Ayton then I think it's a bad move.
bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:A Trade Thread works well, when the Team you're following, actually seems interested in making some deals. And that doesn't appear to be the Celtics this off season...
Celts17Pride wrote:hugepatsfan wrote:Celts17Pride wrote:You have Pritchard, Hauser, Gallo and maybe G Williams. Depends on who the big is.
To me you just recreated the same issue we had in the Finals run. Our rotation was:
Smart / Pritchard
Brown / White
Tatum
Horford / GWilliams
RWilliams
You want to go back to the same exact PG/SG/SF rotation we had that was deemed not good enough because we needed another ball handler and also potentially replace Grant Williams with Gallo (downgrade, especially based on how Grant played in that run).
What big do you have in mind? If you're thinking a legit all star then yeah, worth discussing. But if you're talking about a sub all star type guy in Ayton then I think it's a bad move.
Did this year's rotation make it to the Finals?
Celts17Pride wrote:hugepatsfan wrote:Celts17Pride wrote:Your replacing $30+ million with $30+ million. There is no difference.
But what about replacing the guy you're downsizing. In your hypothetical trade we're moving a guard and RW for a big. So we're left with:
2 of Smart/White/Brogdon
Brown
Tatum
Horford
New Big Man
We need to add another guard/wing to replace the minutes lost, but we don't really have the means to do so now. How do we fill in that rotation so we aren't down to the bare bones? You can go with a minimum guy, but then you have to expect minimum production.
You have Pritchard, Hauser, Gallo and maybe G Williams. Depends on who the big is.
Celtics had Smart/White/Brogdon this year, did it bring them to the NBA Finals? No.
People have different opinions. Some people think it's necessary for Smart/White/Brogdon, others don't. I think Smart/White/Brogdon is luxury. The money could be better spent upgrading the frontcourt in my opinion.
Celts17Pride wrote:I'm sorry but if you can get an excellent quality big by moving a guard, draft picks and RW3 you do it in my opinion. I am off the RW3 train. RW3 is hurt every year, when they need him the most he is never there, no offensive game and he wasn't the same defensively this year. If the right deal is there, I have no issues moving RW3. RW3 has played in 52% of the games in his career.
hugepatsfan wrote:bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:A Trade Thread works well, when the Team you're following, actually seems interested in making some deals. And that doesn't appear to be the Celtics this off season...
What are you basing that off of? Since Stevens took over he had 4 "checkpoints". His first offseason he swung a pretty major deal of Kemba for Horford. Then at the deadline he got DWhite. Then last offseason he got Brogdon. I'd say those are pretty major moves. He stood pat at this past deadline, but not sure I blame him on that.
Maybe we end up doin a whole bunch of nothing, but seems weird to write this front office off as not interested in trades.
RodyTur10 wrote:Celts17Pride wrote:I'm sorry but if you can get an excellent quality big by moving a guard, draft picks and RW3 you do it in my opinion. I am off the RW3 train. RW3 is hurt every year, when they need him the most he is never there, no offensive game and he wasn't the same defensively this year. If the right deal is there, I have no issues moving RW3. RW3 has played in 52% of the games in his career.
But RW3 (I like Timelord better) has been healthy enough to play every game during these playoffs. And he was arguably our third most impactful player (behind Tatum and White). The last game he was sick because of a stomach bug, that's just bad luck.
No, I think Timelord is finally ready to be the starting center. And he can play 25-28 minutes per game. There are lots of centers who don't play 30+ mpg.
White - Hauser - Tatum - R.Williams is my core. (Hauser is a fantastic shooter on a bargain).
Pritchard and Muscala probably don't have much trading value and are cheap pieces for the bench, so keep them.
The rest: Smart, Brogdon, Brown, Gallinari, Horford and Kornet are up for trade.
Though I don't mind Horford as a back-up.
Let Grant Williams and Griffin walk.
That's the question that I have. What can Brown, Smart and Brogdon fetch us?
Garland, Mitchell, Anunoby, Bridges and Carter Jr, would be my targets.(Haliburton is untouchable I believe)
165bows wrote:Can Isaiah Stewart play the four defensively? Is he on the block? Pitch them the ‘24 first at the draft and trade out Pritchard’s salary. Then they’ve got one season of Horford at the five shooting threes for Beef Stew to learn how to shoot.
165bows wrote:Can Isaiah Stewart play the four defensively? Is he on the block? Pitch them the ‘24 first at the draft and trade out Pritchard’s salary. Then they’ve got one season of Horford at the five shooting threes for Beef Stew to learn how to shoot.
165bows wrote:Celts17Pride wrote:hugepatsfan wrote:
But what about replacing the guy you're downsizing. In your hypothetical trade we're moving a guard and RW for a big. So we're left with:
2 of Smart/White/Brogdon
Brown
Tatum
Horford
New Big Man
We need to add another guard/wing to replace the minutes lost, but we don't really have the means to do so now. How do we fill in that rotation so we aren't down to the bare bones? You can go with a minimum guy, but then you have to expect minimum production.
You have Pritchard, Hauser, Gallo and maybe G Williams. Depends on who the big is.
Celtics had Smart/White/Brogdon this year, did it bring them to the NBA Finals? No.
People have different opinions. Some people think it's necessary for Smart/White/Brogdon, others don't. I think Smart/White/Brogdon is luxury. The money could be better spent upgrading the frontcourt in my opinion.
There’s been some scoffing at the idea of Smart making his three point shooting the primary point of emphasis this off-season. I actually think that’s one of two keys going forward. This team is a totally different team when one of Smart/White is on a scoring tear. A la the Bulpett article, the tweaks they need is those guys shooting better and a low cost competent all around four man.
Brogdon was great and helped in a bunch of ways. But he’s mediocre on D and doesn’t play well with Brown. He can stay but barring a huge trade or shakeup those are the two things they need.
hugepatsfan wrote:165bows wrote:Can Isaiah Stewart play the four defensively? Is he on the block? Pitch them the ‘24 first at the draft and trade out Pritchard’s salary. Then they’ve got one season of Horford at the five shooting threes for Beef Stew to learn how to shoot.
They've tried to play him there because they have a few other big man options. Hasn't worked well though. The feeling of their fan base is that it's a square peg/round hole situation. He's just not a 4. That said their fan base also has the team reluctant to move him because as a 5 they like him better than the other options getting run at the 5 over him (Wiseman, Bagley).
My guess is if you offered the '24 1st that'd be too much for them to pass up, but seems like bad value for us. Not sure how practical it would be to re-sign him under the tax. I do really like him as a backup 5 though (not 4).
playa-hater wrote:Fierce1 wrote:Andrew McCeltic wrote:Some Houston blog suggested KPJ, Jabari Smith, 4 for Jaylen..
They’re not going to deal him, there are too many reasons they can manufacture to run it back. Tatum was hurt, Brogdon was hurt, Rob was sick.
So true.
And why would the Celtics want young inexperienced players for JB when the Celts are gunning for Banner 18?
If and only if there is that deal the Celts can't refuse and it's also what JB wants, Cs are going to trade JB for a veteran star player who's in his prime.
Lottery pick and young players only sets back the Celtics at this point in time.
That is nothing more than a Bad narrative.. I mean look how well Rookie Murray on Sac helped the team. The Narrative was 7 undrafted players (3 starters) can't beat a team of lottery picks.. yet.
Getting potentially 3 young talents > paying Brown 300 million shouldn't be a debate.
PLUS. how well has it been working with our "veteran core" lately? the last 3 seasons??
You want to win, well JB was fully healthy and was horrible. Having Low IQ players who are turnover prone is not the answer. Factor in his defense was putrid so many times. How much video/game evidence does one need before they see this??
Addition Brown may love playing for Houston so even if you don't think the talent is equal, the odds of getting much better return is not likely. But a better "fit" may go along way to making Boston a better team.
hugepatsfan wrote:djFan71 wrote:If we keep JB and just tinker, what about Brogdon for John Collins?
We play big again. Smart, White, JB are your 3 guards. Tatum, Collins, Rob, Horf are your frontcourt.
Pritch/JD/Hauser/Gallo fill in.
Not sure what you do with Grant in that scenario.
Collins is not a good fit next to Rob, good with Horford though. Collins is most effective as a P&R lob threat who can pop out for the occasional 3. He's struggled with the stretch 4 role they have tried to force him into since they got Capela. If we did your proposed trade then, IMO, you'd want to line it up as:
Smart / White
Brown
Tatum
Collins
Horford / RWilliams
or
Smart
White
Brown
Tatum / Collins
RWilliams / Horford
Collins really isn't very good though. Likely ATL gives up draft compensation to shed some money on him. He's negative value league-wide.