Trade/Free Agency Thread, whose NINE is it anyways?? 2023-24

[ddb]

It's a very big extension for Jaylen Brown and a very big extension for the Boston Celtics. In my opinion, Celtics fans should be more concerned if this extension didn't take some time to complete.

John Karalis speculated that maybe Jaylen would want to let the Celtics twist in the wind a bit as payback for his name being in trade rumors over the years.

I could see that. One thing we HAVEN’T prepared for, as a board, is what happens if an extension doesn’t get done and they don’t trade him. Maybe this can help spawn 20 more pages of Jaylen posts today. Ooh let’s try to rank him!

I mean, it's entirely possible that happens. But no one seems to be mentioning it as a possibility. Everyone thinks we either extend him or trade him.

But this happened last summer with Grant. We couldn't come to terms on an extension so we just let him play out the last season of his contract.

If we're not convinced that JB should get a supermax - and we're less inclined to give him the supermax now that we added Porzingis (because now JB is kind of expendable since KP *could* possibly be the #2 option on a championship team, and having Tatum & brown on supermaxes, plus Porzingis at $30 mil a year plus white, brogdon, rob, al making a combined $63 mil) that's a lot of money to give JB when we have all that other $ allocated to those other guys and we're less dependent on his scoring now that we have KP.

So maybe we end up just having JB play this season out, to get a better idea of exactly how much $ he is worth on his next contract..maybe Brad is thinking that him making all-NBA (which made him eligible for the supermax) was a fluke..perhaps Brad says to have him play this season out, then we're able to sign him less $ next summer, putting the team in a better financial spot long term..

Boston isn't heading into the season with JB's contract situation in limbo. Not a chance. If they don't come to an agreement this offseason, they will trade him. You cannot risk losing the asset, and in this case he's a MAJOR asset.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Don’t sleep on something with Brogdon to Phoenix, there’s no way Ayton isn’t available. Where he’d go is the unknown.

[zoyathedestroya]

No need to wait for the empty reporting from our useless beat writers and national media guys who know nothing. I'm optimistic that the Jaylen Brown extension would definitely be signed today or not today. It will get done at some point or not get done at all. I'm sure of that.

[Hal14]

Don’t sleep on something with Brogdon to Phoenix, there’s no way Ayton isn’t available. Where he’d go is the unknown.

Yeah - and rumor has it, Phoenix is looking for a PG..

Seems like they want McConnell, a cheaper option than Brogdon, which would allow them to keep Ayton.

And IDK who would want Ayton, who could actually afford him..

[Larry_Russell]

Don’t sleep on something with Brogdon to Phoenix, there’s no way Ayton isn’t available. Where he’d go is the unknown.

Yeah - and rumor has it, Phoenix is looking for a PG..

Seems like they want McConnell, a cheaper option than Brogdon, which would allow them to keep Ayton.

And IDK who would want Ayton, who could actually afford him..

OKC

And they need to drop contracts.

Brogdon and Rudy Gay to Phoenix

Ayton to OKC

Dort, Wiggins, K. Williams to Boston

White/Pritchard/Banton
Brown/Dort/Wiggins
Tatum/Walsh/Hauser
Porzingas/K. WIlliams/Brisset
Timelord/Horford/Kornet

[ddb]

Don’t sleep on something with Brogdon to Phoenix, there’s no way Ayton isn’t available. Where he’d go is the unknown.

Phoenix would want multiple pieces in an Ayton deal. I'm with you in thinking Phoenix will still look to move Ayton. My question remains, what is the market for Ayton? When I look at possible 3-team deals involved Ayton/Phoenix and the Celtics, it's very difficult to find a team that would have anything Boston is looking for.

[ddb]

Don’t sleep on something with Brogdon to Phoenix, there’s no way Ayton isn’t available. Where he’d go is the unknown.

Yeah - and rumor has it, Phoenix is looking for a PG..

Seems like they want McConnell, a cheaper option than Brogdon, which would allow them to keep Ayton.

And IDK who would want Ayton, who could actually afford him..

OKC

And they need to drop contracts.

Brogdon and Rudy Gay to Phoenix

Ayton to OKC

Dort, Wiggins, K. Williams to Boston

White/Pritchard/Banton
Brown/Dort/Wiggins
Tatum/Walsh/Hauser
Porzingas/K. WIlliams/Brisset
Timelord/Horford/Kornet

No shot OKC wants Ayton

[La Flame]

Yeah - and rumor has it, Phoenix is looking for a PG..

Seems like they want McConnell, a cheaper option than Brogdon, which would allow them to keep Ayton.

And IDK who would want Ayton, who could actually afford him..

OKC

And they need to drop contracts.

Brogdon and Rudy Gay to Phoenix

Ayton to OKC

Dort, Wiggins, K. Williams to Boston

White/Pritchard/Banton
Brown/Dort/Wiggins
Tatum/Walsh/Hauser
Porzingas/K. WIlliams/Brisset
Timelord/Horford/Kornet

No shot OKC wants Ayton

Chet/Ayton is a pretty interesting twin tower. But Ayton is too soft for his talent sadly, if he cannot get it together on a title team, doubt he will get some motivation in OKC

[Hal14]

Don’t sleep on something with Brogdon to Phoenix, there’s no way Ayton isn’t available. Where he’d go is the unknown.

Yeah - and rumor has it, Phoenix is looking for a PG..

Seems like they want McConnell, a cheaper option than Brogdon, which would allow them to keep Ayton.

And IDK who would want Ayton, who could actually afford him..

OKC

And they need to drop contracts.

Brogdon and Rudy Gay to Phoenix

Ayton to OKC

Dort, Wiggins, K. Williams to Boston

White/Pritchard/Banton
Brown/Dort/Wiggins
Tatum/Walsh/Hauser
Porzingas/K. WIlliams/Brisset
Timelord/Horford/Kornet

The 2 issues I see with this are..

1) Sure, OKC has cap space. But I don't think they use it on a max contract guy. They have SGA, Jalen, Giddey and Chet. Over the next few years, they're gonna have some difficult decisions to make - they're not gonna be able to put all 4 of those guys on max contracts. But they all might end up being eligible for one. So I don't see them adding another max contract guy and making that even more of a complicated mess.

2) I can see the celtics being interested in Dort/Wiggins/Kenrich...I can see us adding 1 of those guys..and if we lose Brogdon, I can see us adding 2 of them (I'd flip Brogdon for Dort + Kenrich in a heartbeat, but doubt OKC would do it) but I don't see why Boston would add all 3 of those guys, who essentially all play the wing position..

[cl2117]

So Brad said he'd like to add another wing, huh?

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Wiggins has a non-guaranteed contract this season for just $1.8 mil, which is a bargain. We could get a solid player for dirt cheap.

He was a really solid rotation player for OKC last season. But it seems like he might be the odd man out, with other guys they've added and with Kenrich Williams returning from injury (he was out for most of the 2nd half of the season and Wiggins got those minutes..)

HIs contract in non-guaranteed for this season and team option for 2024-2025 at just $1.9 mil. We could acquire him with the Grant TPE, while still not using very much of the salary cap. And we have a history of making moves with OKC (horford, Muscala)

Downside is, he's a young guy who hasn't gotten paid yet. He's at the tail end of a cheap rookie deal. So he probably wouldn't be too happy about coming here. He's probably have a better shot at playin time somewhere like chicago, denver memphis or charlotte..

We're probably better off getting a proven vet, who has already gotten paid, who is cool with it if they don't get tons of playing time..

OKC is always a great place to look prior to training camp for small wins. They're normally over rostered with their approach of taking back bad contracts for picks and there are some interesting casualties that are worth a flyer.

Wiggins would be a solid pickup. I'd take punts on Tyty Washington and Garuba as development flyers if the price is right. Kenrich Williams has been a favorite of mine ever since his mini-break out and he's got an amazing new contract. Doubt they move him but he'd be perfect on our wing. Isaiah Joe played great in place of Kenrich last year and is also on an incredibly cheap contract. I wonder what they would get for either on the open trade market.

That OKC roster is so interesting. It's what my NBA2k rosters end up looking like. Just a boatload of young talent and then an unrealistic number of picks. It's an amazing mix as well. They've got a proven NBA star in SGA, young guys on rookie deals with huge ceilings (Chet, Giddey, Jalen Williams), tons of rotation level talent on cheap/rookie contract (Joe, K. Williams, Dieng, Cason Wallace, Jaylin Williams, Wiggins) some with great upside. There's just so much there to work with, it's the Willy Wonka Factory for a GM. I'd basically take any player on that roster that makes enough to fit into the Grant TPE for a 2nd, that's how weirdly deep with talent they are.

Not that they need any more picks but I'd happily give up a 2nd or two to pick their bones and fill-out the back-end of our roster.

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[greg4012]

Does anything work with BOS/ATL/TOR/PHO? Suns get Brogdon, Capela, Hawks get Ayton and Siakam, Raptors get Deandre Hunter, Bey, we get Okongwu, Payne and Trent Jr..?

Hawks can't afford Ayton and Siakam.

Only thing that works similar imo is Raps get Hunter/Brogs, but what comes back that isn't just wheel spinning? Brogdon fills a need and is a quality player. So unless it's just to save money I don't see it.

Okongwu is going to be a really good 3&D big really soon - if he’s the trade return it’s a win. But we’d have to take back more money in the deal and then Al is on the block.

But if Toronto deals Siakam and one of Trent/OG’s expirings they can run Brogdon/OG/Hunter/Barnes/Poeltl and win the treadmill championship with a bunch of affordable defense-first players.

Okongwu has attempted 16 3s in his career

[ddb]

OKC

And they need to drop contracts.

Brogdon and Rudy Gay to Phoenix

Ayton to OKC

Dort, Wiggins, K. Williams to Boston

White/Pritchard/Banton
Brown/Dort/Wiggins
Tatum/Walsh/Hauser
Porzingas/K. WIlliams/Brisset
Timelord/Horford/Kornet

No shot OKC wants Ayton

Chet/Ayton is a pretty interesting twin tower. But Ayton is too soft for his talent sadly, if he cannot get it together on a title team, doubt he will get some motivation in OKC

Chet & Jaylin Williams will get their big man minutes.

[31to6]

No need to wait for the empty reporting from our useless beat writers and national media guys who know nothing. I'm optimistic that the Jaylen Brown extension would definitely be signed today or not today. It will get done at some point or not get done at all. I'm sure of that.

so it sounds like it's going to get done, they just need to iron out some of the details? OR that we have entered an alternative universe in which everything is crabs?

[tfribs45]

Don’t sleep on something with Brogdon to Phoenix, there’s no way Ayton isn’t available. Where he’d go is the unknown.

Yeah - and rumor has it, Phoenix is looking for a PG..

Seems like they want McConnell, a cheaper option than Brogdon, which would allow them to keep Ayton.

And IDK who would want Ayton, who could actually afford him..

OKC

And they need to drop contracts.

Brogdon and Rudy Gay to Phoenix

Ayton to OKC

Dort, Wiggins, K. Williams to Boston

White/Pritchard/Banton
Brown/Dort/Wiggins
Tatum/Walsh/Hauser
Porzingas/K. WIlliams/Brisset
Timelord/Horford/Kornet

lol at riding with PP as your backup PG? wth is this man, the ball movement will be atrocious smh.

[zoyathedestroya]

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[Hal14]

So, Brad said he'd like to acquire a 4/3 type of guy to finish up the roster, eh?

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Probably not us though, I guess. Cause a S&T would hard cap us or whatever..

[Half-Full]

No need to wait for the empty reporting from our useless beat writers and national media guys who know nothing. I'm optimistic that the Jaylen Brown extension would definitely be signed today or not today. It will get done at some point or not get done at all. I'm sure of that.

And you can take that to the bank!

[GoCeltics123]

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[La Flame]

So, Brad said he'd like to acquire a 4/3 type of guy to finish up the roster, eh?

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He's what Grant thinks he is. I think he gets 15-18m easily, just beem buried on a horrid team. I'd love him in green