OT: Lonnie Walker, Updates

[phincsfan]

I'd rather that announcer sitting next to Scal than Drew Carter.

[canman1971]

I'd rather that announcer sitting next to Scal than Drew Carter.

I'd rather have a AI generated Mike G. rather than the "Cookies and Cream" guy.

[Homerclease]

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Springy!

Would be nice to have off the bench with Hauser struggling with his 3 ball at the moment

[JaMarco]

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Springy!

Would be nice to have off the bench with Hauser struggling with his 3 ball at the moment

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[zoyathedestroya]

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We better pray the Celtics don’t get Zalgiris Kaunas as a playoff matchup.

[ConstableGeneva]

via Noa Dalzell:

Per @MikeAScotto, the Celtics gauged the trade market for Jaden Springer this fall:

"Teams across the league hoped to pry future draft pick compensation from the Celtics for taking on Springer’s $4 million salary, sources said. However, Boston wasn’t interested in giving up future draft capital to move the 22-year-old former first-round pick. The luxury tax penalties for signing Walker IV to the 15th spot were ultimately too steep for Boston to retain him into the season."

[celtxman]

via Noa Dalzell:

Per @MikeAScotto, the Celtics gauged the trade market for Jaden Springer this fall:

"Teams across the league hoped to pry future draft pick compensation from the Celtics for taking on Springer’s $4 million salary, sources said. However, Boston wasn’t interested in giving up future draft capital to move the 22-year-old former first-round pick. The luxury tax penalties for signing Walker IV to the 15th spot were ultimately too steep for Boston to retain him into the season."

There is so much packed into this reality. It shows how much the current CBA flogs teams into submission. Think about Springer’s contract. A $4 million expiring contract is virtually untradeable! Not because it would be a problem for teams under the cap, but because those teams smell blood in the water. "Yeah sure we'll take that pro rated Springer contract off of your hands. How about an unprotected 1st and we can make it go away for you." Can you imagine trying to get rid of Kemba's contract now? You cannot make mistakes or have bad injuries.
I've said in other threads that I think that Hauser might not be back next season. Now I wonder if he's finishing this season or if his name could be floated at the trade deadline. At the deadline when Springer’s contract has been prorated downward - INCOMING - Walker and Peterson - OUTGOING Hauser and Springer. No increase in spending this year. However Brad goes to current (or future) ownership and says , "I can save you over $50 million in salary next year when Tatum and Hauser's salaries kick in. I'm not necessarily advocating this, but Scotto's article confirms it was not about Walker's ability. It was about $10 million dollars (or less) or penalties. Welcome to the CBA.

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There is so much packed into this reality. It shows how much the current CBA flogs teams into submission. Think about Springer’s contract. A $4 million expiring contract is virtually untradeable! Not because it would be a problem for teams under the cap, but because those teams smell blood in the water. "Yeah sure we'll take that pro rated Springer contract off of your hands. How about an unprotected 1st and we can make it go away for you."

I mean, that's just how trades work in general, though. It's how most negotiations work in general. There's a give and take, both sides try to get the better end of it. And if Team B approaches team B looking to move a player, Team B knows they have leverage, they know Team A want to move that player so they will use that leverage to get more/better assets out of Team A.

Maybe there's more of this stuff happening with new CBA..idk but I think this is just how trades/negotiations work in general.

But I don't think Springer's contract is untradable..that seems a bit dramatic. All it means is if we want to move him, we'd have to trade draft compensation in order to do it. But those types of deals happen all the time where a team is trying to move off a contract and they attach draft compensation in order to get a team to take that contract off their hands..these are very common trades, even before the new CBA.

Can you imagine trying to get rid of Kemba's contract now?

Idk, might be a little more difficult perhaps. But we did have to attach draft compensation in the deal to get OKC to take Kemba's contract off our hands. And it was a pretty high 1st round pick (16th overall) which i a pretty valuable pick. Plus we were taking Al's contract off OKC's hands..OKC was able to trade Al, waive Kemba to get both contracts off their books and clear a ton of cap space. It made sense for both teams and probably could've happened, even with new CBA.

I've said in other threads that I think that Hauser might not be back next season. Now I wonder if he's finishing this season or if his name could be floated at the trade deadline. At the deadline when Springer’s contract has been prorated downward - INCOMING - Walker and Peterson - OUTGOING Hauser and Springer. No increase in spending this year. However Brad goes to current (or future) ownership and says , "I can save you over $50 million in salary next year when Tatum and Hauser's salaries kick in. I'm not necessarily advocating this, but Scotto's article confirms it was not about Walker's ability. It was about $10 million dollars (or less) or penalties. Welcome to the CBA.

I mean, sure that would save us a bunch of $. But I doubt Brad is looking to downgrade our playoff rotation and move any of our top 8 guys (while not getting a proven top 8 playoff rotation player back) when we're pushing for a 2nd title in a row.

The Scotto article simply implies that the Celtics shopped Springer around during the preseason and that maybe if a deal went down, that they would have signed Walker to the 14th roster spot. There's a big difference between thinking that a guy is good enough to maybe be your 14th man and thinking he's good enough to play in your 8 man playoff rotation so a deal could be made to move Hauser.

Let's also keep in mind that all 30 teams declined to offer Walker a contract, which likely does say something about his ability. And last season the only contract he got was a vet min deal and he was out of the rotation for a bad Nets team by the end of the season. He was a rotation guy in the playoffs for the Lakers yet they declined to bring him back - for a reason. They also could've brought him back this past offseason but decided against it.

Perhaps eventually someone like Scheierman, Walsh or Peterson proves themself enough to the point where Hauser becomes expendable..but I don't think we're at that point yet or even close to it. Peterson has only played meaningful mins in 2 games.

Lastly, I would just add that based on the Scotto article..he seems to think that Springer will not be traded because:
a) Scotto says that following the preseason, "the celtics gauged the trade market on Jaden Springer". Teams had "hoped to pry future draft pick compensation" however, Boston wasn't interested in giving up future draft capital" . The bold words all imply past tense. So this was something that took place in the past and is not ongoing.

b) Scotto also says that "Springer is unlikely to receive a qualifying offer from the celtics this summer." Which of course implies that he's expected to still be on the team when this summer's offseason begins, rather than getting traded prior to the deadline.

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via Noa Dalzell:

Per @MikeAScotto, the Celtics gauged the trade market for Jaden Springer this fall:

"Teams across the league hoped to pry future draft pick compensation from the Celtics for taking on Springer’s $4 million salary, sources said. However, Boston wasn’t interested in giving up future draft capital to move the 22-year-old former first-round pick. The luxury tax penalties for signing Walker IV to the 15th spot were ultimately too steep for Boston to retain him into the season."

There is so much packed into this reality. It shows how much the current CBA flogs teams into submission. Think about Springer’s contract. A $4 million expiring contract is virtually untradeable! Not because it would be a problem for teams under the cap, but because those teams smell blood in the water. "Yeah sure we'll take that pro rated Springer contract off of your hands. How about an unprotected 1st and we can make it go away for you." Can you imagine trying to get rid of Kemba's contract now? You cannot make mistakes or have bad injuries.

I think, regarding Springer, that Brad/Zarren made that trade thinking ownership was gonna swallow the tax bill for this year & next. As crazy as it seems to forecast a $200 million loss in a season, Wyc’s fandom and the fact that the ownership group is sitting on a + $5 billion capital gain, Brad felt authorized to spend within a wide band of wiggle room, this season and next. And then, out of nowhere, like ten freakin days after the championship parade, the Grousbecks declare they’re selling out. If Brad/Zarren knew Wyc was about to bail, they would not have brought in Jaden Springer, that’s my (underinformed) guess.

Drafting the #41 pick, that player would start at $1.1 million. Drafting a stash who wouldn’t come over would have no roster or financial consequence. Trading #41 out for future draft assets, would have made sense too. All three options make a lot more sense than swinging on Jaden Springer when Philly is literally saying, “we’re trading him because he can’t help us win right now.”

A tax team carrying 14 (not 15), we also need Springer’s roster spot to bring in veteran FA like Eddie House types or a Blake Griffin (in 22-23) so we lose optionality to bring in Lonnie Walker or Oshae Brissett or literally any other free agent… once you’ve got that $4 million contract, getting off it just becomes troublesome because, like you said, the other teams smell the blood in the water …

and, as an aside, this has me thinking, this doesn’t bode well for how easy it will be in the offseason if new ownership mandates getting off Jrue’s money… “what’s that gonna cost” ??

Anyway, on this present title timeline + financial CBA environment, trading for Jaden Springer was clearly a mistake.

[Parliament10]

via Noa Dalzell:

Per @MikeAScotto, the Celtics gauged the trade market for Jaden Springer this fall:

"Teams across the league hoped to pry future draft pick compensation from the Celtics for taking on Springer’s $4 million salary, sources said. However, Boston wasn’t interested in giving up future draft capital to move the 22-year-old former first-round pick. The luxury tax penalties for signing Walker IV to the 15th spot were ultimately too steep for Boston to retain him into the season."

There is so much packed into this reality. It shows how much the current CBA flogs teams into submission. Think about Springer’s contract. A $4 million expiring contract is virtually untradeable! Not because it would be a problem for teams under the cap, but because those teams smell blood in the water. "Yeah sure we'll take that pro rated Springer contract off of your hands. How about an unprotected 1st and we can make it go away for you." Can you imagine trying to get rid of Kemba's contract now? You cannot make mistakes or have bad injuries.

I think, regarding Springer, that Brad/Zarren made that trade thinking ownership was gonna swallow the tax bill for this year & next. As crazy as it seems to forecast a $200 million loss in a season, Wyc’s fandom and the fact that the ownership group is sitting on a + $5 billion capital gain, Brad felt authorized to spend within a wide band of wiggle room, this season and next. And then, out of nowhere, like ten freakin days after the championship parade, the Grousbecks declare they’re selling out. If Brad/Zarren knew Wyc was about to bail, they would not have brought in Jaden Springer, that’s my (underinformed) guess.

Drafting the #41 pick, that player would start at $1.1 million. Drafting a stash who wouldn’t come over would have no roster or financial consequence. Trading #41 out for future draft assets, would have made sense too. All three options make a lot more sense than swinging on Jaden Springer when Philly is literally saying, “we’re trading him because he can’t help us win right now.”

A tax team carrying 14 (not 15), we also need Springer’s roster spot to bring in veteran FA like Eddie House types or a Blake Griffin (in 22-23) so we lose optionality to bring in Lonnie Walker or Oshae Brissett or literally any other free agent… once you’ve got that $4 million contract, getting off it just becomes troublesome because, like you said, the other teams smell the blood in the water …

and, as an aside, this has me thinking, this doesn’t bode well for how easy it will be in the offseason if new ownership mandates getting off Jrue’s money… “what’s that gonna cost” ??

Anyway, on this present title timeline + financial CBA environment, trading for Jaden Springer was clearly a mistake.

Yeah unfortunately for Brad and the Celtics, Irv Grousbeck seemingly had enough of Wyc's extravagance.
Either way though, taking on Springer's Contract was a big "boo-boo".

Hopefully, Stevens figures out something, to bring Lonnnie back.
But for now, looks like we might have to carry Springer for the year.

[redslastlaugh]

There is so much packed into this reality. It shows how much the current CBA flogs teams into submission. Think about Springer’s contract. A $4 million expiring contract is virtually untradeable! Not because it would be a problem for teams under the cap, but because those teams smell blood in the water. "Yeah sure we'll take that pro rated Springer contract off of your hands. How about an unprotected 1st and we can make it go away for you."

I mean, that's just how trades work in general, though. It's how most negotiations work in general. There's a give and take, both sides try to get the better end of it. And if Team B approaches team B looking to move a player, Team B knows they have leverage, they know Team A want to move that player so they will use that leverage to get more/better assets out of Team A.

Maybe there's more of this stuff happening with new CBA..idk but I think this is just how trades/negotiations work in general.

But I don't think Springer's contract is untradable..that seems a bit dramatic. All it means is if we want to move him, we'd have to trade draft compensation in order to do it. But those types of deals happen all the time where a team is trying to move off a contract and they attach draft compensation in order to get a team to take that contract off their hands..these are very common trades, even before the new CBA.

Yea but saying we can attach draft assets to be able to trade his contract, basically misses the point. Why would you trade draft assets to bring in a player, that player plays no meaningful minutes, and then you attach draft capital to move his contract off the books? Like, what? Usually after a player outlives his usefulness or a team changes course to restart timeline, sure, you pay draft assets to dump a guy, but this is after the player contributed to your team. So that’s the frustrating thing here, Springer didn’t have any period of usefulness, so it’d suck to spend a pick to get him, pay him to get drunk at the parade, then spend another pick to move him out the door.

[celtxman]

There is so much packed into this reality. It shows how much the current CBA flogs teams into submission. Think about Springer’s contract. A $4 million expiring contract is virtually untradeable! Not because it would be a problem for teams under the cap, but because those teams smell blood in the water. "Yeah sure we'll take that pro rated Springer contract off of your hands. How about an unprotected 1st and we can make it go away for you."

I mean, that's just how trades work in general, though. It's how most negotiations work in general. There's a give and take, both sides try to get the better end of it. And if Team B approaches team B looking to move a player, Team B knows they have leverage, they know Team A want to move that player so they will use that leverage to get more/better assets out of Team A.

Maybe there's more of this stuff happening with new CBA..idk but I think this is just how trades/negotiations work in general.

But I don't think Springer's contract is untradable..that seems a bit dramatic. All it means is if we want to move him, we'd have to trade draft compensation in order to do it. But those types of deals happen all the time where a team is trying to move off a contract and they attach draft compensation in order to get a team to take that contract off their hands..these are very common trades, even before the new CBA.

Can you imagine trying to get rid of Kemba's contract now?

Idk, might be a little more difficult perhaps. But we did have to attach draft compensation in the deal to get OKC to take Kemba's contract off our hands. And it was a pretty high 1st round pick (16th overall) which i a pretty valuable pick. Plus we were taking Al's contract off OKC's hands..OKC was able to trade Al, waive Kemba to get both contracts off their books and clear a ton of cap space. It made sense for both teams and probably could've happened, even with new CBA.

I've said in other threads that I think that Hauser might not be back next season. Now I wonder if he's finishing this season or if his name could be floated at the trade deadline. At the deadline when Springer’s contract has been prorated downward - INCOMING - Walker and Peterson - OUTGOING Hauser and Springer. No increase in spending this year. However Brad goes to current (or future) ownership and says , "I can save you over $50 million in salary next year when Tatum and Hauser's salaries kick in. I'm not necessarily advocating this, but Scotto's article confirms it was not about Walker's ability. It was about $10 million dollars (or less) or penalties. Welcome to the CBA.

I mean, sure that would save us a bunch of $. But I doubt Brad is looking to downgrade our playoff rotation and move any of our top 8 guys (while not getting a proven top 8 playoff rotation player back) when we're pushing for a 2nd title in a row.

The Scotto article simply implies that the Celtics shopped Springer around during the preseason and that maybe if a deal went down, that they would have signed Walker to the 14th roster spot. There's a big difference between thinking that a guy is good enough to maybe be your 14th man and thinking he's good enough to play in your 8 man playoff rotation so a deal could be made to move Hauser.

Let's also keep in mind that all 30 teams declined to offer Walker a contract, which likely does say something about his ability. And last season the only contract he got was a vet min deal and he was out of the rotation for a bad Nets team by the end of the season. He was a rotation guy in the playoffs for the Lakers yet they declined to bring him back - for a reason. They also could've brought him back this past offseason but decided against it.

Perhaps eventually someone like Scheierman, Walsh or Peterson proves themself enough to the point where Hauser becomes expendable..but I don't think we're at that point yet or even close to it. Peterson has only played meaningful mins in 2 games.

Lastly, I would just add that based on the Scotto article..he seems to think that Springer will not be traded because:
a) Scotto says that following the preseason, "the celtics gauged the trade market on Jaden Springer". Teams had "hoped to pry future draft pick compensation" however, Boston wasn't interested in giving up future draft capital" . The bold words all imply past tense. So this was something that took place in the past and is not ongoing.

b) Scotto also says that "Springer is unlikely to receive a qualifying offer from the celtics this summer." Which of course implies that he's expected to still be on the team when this summer's offseason begins, rather than getting traded prior to the deadline.

I just don't want to try too hard to prove why Lonnie Walker isn't in the NBA. I really don't care why other teams don't want him, Brad brought him in. No other team. What do I think Scotto was saying? The Celtics upper management drew a line in the sand and said they couldn't add salary. The past tense meant they would have gotten rid of Springer but couldn't without giving up draft capital. This is Mazzulla's assessment of Walker's play in those 2 preseason games " Walker's attitude and approach have also earned rave reviews from the reigning champions, who diligently maintain the culture, chemistry, and work environment they've cultivated.

"He had a great training camp," said Joe Mazzulla after Friday's practice. "I liked his attitude. I like his work ethic. I thought he really got acclimated to our defensive system, and I thought he really worked to study the offensive system and how to fit into that. He took advantage of the time that he had, and that's really all you can ask for."
Just being gracious? I dont think so. Mazzulla isn't loosely lying about his work and effort on defense and his offense was everything that could be expected. The Celtics had a front row seat to Walker having two games with 17 minutes 13 and 15 points in them and a 20 point 20 minute heater. So the Lakers didn't bring him back, but the Celtics brought him in. Scotto in his piece started with "After a strong end to the preseason for Lonnie, the Celtics gauged the trade market on Jaden Springer." So yes the salary cap was the factor and yes if they could have unloaded Springer without giving up too much to get Walker, Lonnie would be on the Celtics.
My thought about Hauser I agree the Celtics will likely not trade him in season, but the odds change drastically after the season. With all of this fuss with money there are over 50 million reasons to trade Hauser next season.....if they can - that may become an issue. But assuming they could trade him, I can't think of a better solution to save that money and have two minimum contract players (Walker and Peterson )to do it

[celtxman]

There is so much packed into this reality. It shows how much the current CBA flogs teams into submission. Think about Springer’s contract. A $4 million expiring contract is virtually untradeable! Not because it would be a problem for teams under the cap, but because those teams smell blood in the water. "Yeah sure we'll take that pro rated Springer contract off of your hands. How about an unprotected 1st and we can make it go away for you."

I mean, that's just how trades work in general, though. It's how most negotiations work in general. There's a give and take, both sides try to get the better end of it. And if Team B approaches team B looking to move a player, Team B knows they have leverage, they know Team A want to move that player so they will use that leverage to get more/better assets out of Team A.

Maybe there's more of this stuff happening with new CBA..idk but I think this is just how trades/negotiations work in general.

But I don't think Springer's contract is untradable..that seems a bit dramatic. All it means is if we want to move him, we'd have to trade draft compensation in order to do it. But those types of deals happen all the time where a team is trying to move off a contract and they attach draft compensation in order to get a team to take that contract off their hands..these are very common trades, even before the new CBA.

Yea but saying we can attach draft assets to be able to trade his contract, basically misses the point. Why would you trade draft assets to bring in a player, that player plays no meaningful minutes, and then you attach draft capital to move his contract off the books? Like, what? Usually after a player outlives his usefulness or a team changes course to restart timeline, sure, you pay draft assets to dump a guy, but this is after the player contributed to your team. So that’s the frustrating thing here, Springer didn’t have any period of usefulness, so it’d suck to spend a pick to get him, pay him to get drunk at the parade, then spend another pick to move him out the door.

To be clear, earlier in this thread I said something like Brad could make a trade before lunch to move on from Springer. So my comments were more about frustration. The report from Scotto cited league sources telling us that the Celtics started making calls AFTER seeing Walker play the last two preseason games. They wanted him. Then we move to why it didn't happen. This is where money, picks and owners orders come in. This is where we may find out more later on and I have to trust Brad, as painful as it is watching Walsh and Springer instead of Walker right now.

[jfs1000d]

There is so much packed into this reality. It shows how much the current CBA flogs teams into submission. Think about Springer’s contract. A $4 million expiring contract is virtually untradeable! Not because it would be a problem for teams under the cap, but because those teams smell blood in the water. "Yeah sure we'll take that pro rated Springer contract off of your hands. How about an unprotected 1st and we can make it go away for you." Can you imagine trying to get rid of Kemba's contract now? You cannot make mistakes or have bad injuries.

I think, regarding Springer, that Brad/Zarren made that trade thinking ownership was gonna swallow the tax bill for this year & next. As crazy as it seems to forecast a $200 million loss in a season, Wyc’s fandom and the fact that the ownership group is sitting on a + $5 billion capital gain, Brad felt authorized to spend within a wide band of wiggle room, this season and next. And then, out of nowhere, like ten freakin days after the championship parade, the Grousbecks declare they’re selling out. If Brad/Zarren knew Wyc was about to bail, they would not have brought in Jaden Springer, that’s my (underinformed) guess.

Drafting the #41 pick, that player would start at $1.1 million. Drafting a stash who wouldn’t come over would have no roster or financial consequence. Trading #41 out for future draft assets, would have made sense too. All three options make a lot more sense than swinging on Jaden Springer when Philly is literally saying, “we’re trading him because he can’t help us win right now.”

A tax team carrying 14 (not 15), we also need Springer’s roster spot to bring in veteran FA like Eddie House types or a Blake Griffin (in 22-23) so we lose optionality to bring in Lonnie Walker or Oshae Brissett or literally any other free agent… once you’ve got that $4 million contract, getting off it just becomes troublesome because, like you said, the other teams smell the blood in the water …

and, as an aside, this has me thinking, this doesn’t bode well for how easy it will be in the offseason if new ownership mandates getting off Jrue’s money… “what’s that gonna cost” ??

Anyway, on this present title timeline + financial CBA environment, trading for Jaden Springer was clearly a mistake.

Yeah unfortunately for Brad and the Celtics, Irv Grousbeck seemingly had enough of Wyc's extravagance.
Either way though, taking on Springer's Contract was a big "boo-boo".

Hopefully, Stevens figures out something, to bring Lonnnie back.
But for now, looks like we might have to carry Springer for the year.

Lonnie have an out in that Euro contract in February? To me, he makes his money and then we bring him back.

Celtics have so many wings, Lonnie is better than Springer and Walsh, but those two don’t play anyway.

[celtxman]

I think, regarding Springer, that Brad/Zarren made that trade thinking ownership was gonna swallow the tax bill for this year & next. As crazy as it seems to forecast a $200 million loss in a season, Wyc’s fandom and the fact that the ownership group is sitting on a + $5 billion capital gain, Brad felt authorized to spend within a wide band of wiggle room, this season and next. And then, out of nowhere, like ten freakin days after the championship parade, the Grousbecks declare they’re selling out. If Brad/Zarren knew Wyc was about to bail, they would not have brought in Jaden Springer, that’s my (underinformed) guess.

Drafting the #41 pick, that player would start at $1.1 million. Drafting a stash who wouldn’t come over would have no roster or financial consequence. Trading #41 out for future draft assets, would have made sense too. All three options make a lot more sense than swinging on Jaden Springer when Philly is literally saying, “we’re trading him because he can’t help us win right now.”

A tax team carrying 14 (not 15), we also need Springer’s roster spot to bring in veteran FA like Eddie House types or a Blake Griffin (in 22-23) so we lose optionality to bring in Lonnie Walker or Oshae Brissett or literally any other free agent… once you’ve got that $4 million contract, getting off it just becomes troublesome because, like you said, the other teams smell the blood in the water …

and, as an aside, this has me thinking, this doesn’t bode well for how easy it will be in the offseason if new ownership mandates getting off Jrue’s money… “what’s that gonna cost” ??

Anyway, on this present title timeline + financial CBA environment, trading for Jaden Springer was clearly a mistake.

Yeah unfortunately for Brad and the Celtics, Irv Grousbeck seemingly had enough of Wyc's extravagance.
Either way though, taking on Springer's Contract was a big "boo-boo".

Hopefully, Stevens figures out something, to bring Lonnnie back.
But for now, looks like we might have to carry Springer for the year.

Lonnie have an out in that Euro contract in February? To me, he makes his money and then we bring him back.

Celtics have so many wings, Lonnie is better than Springer and Walsh, but those two don’t play anyway.

I think this is possible. Now Walker might take the "bird in the hand" from another team and go there before that, but I believe he may have a promise from Brad.

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Perfect fit on the Cs. We don’t have two players taking nearly 20 shots a game each!

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With how close the Celtics losses have all been, you can argue that the Celtics would be undefeated right now had they kept Lonnie and given him the minutes Walsh, Peterson and Scheierman have gotten. Doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things because we are a title contender without him, but he would’ve made this team better, and would’ve been quite useful early in the season with the amount of injuries and rest days in the Celtics back court

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I watched some film of Walker overseas in the recent game vs Real Madrid.

He looks good.

Wouldn't hate it if we sign him.

With that being said:

a) even if we sign him, I doubt he plays much or makes much impact.

b) Even if Brad offers him a contract, let's think critically here about whether Lonnie would even sign it. He's getting consistent playing time (typically 25-30 MPG) overseas and has been one of the leading scorers on his team. He's playing against good competition in front of packed crowds, making good money. He's established himself overseas after uprooting his life and moving across the world. Would he really want to uproot his life and move across the world *again*, just a few months later...to join a team where he likely wouldn't get consistent playing time, where he'd be like the 13th man, where he'd often ride the bench, wave a towel and have some DNP's.

He was quoted last year before the trade deadline saying that he's looking for his "forever home" which implies that he's sick of bouncing around from team to team, only getting 1 year contracts where you have no idea what team you'll be playing for when the next season tips off. Well, The past few years tells us that will likely always be the case for him in the NBA. But you look at some of the guys who leave the NBA and go play overseas (Edy Tavares, Mario Hezonja, Nikola Mirotic, etc) and a lot of these guys do find their forever home. They are able to stay with the same team for awhile. And the top players overseas- for the most part *they* are in control, they control their own destiny and if they are a free agent they have their pick of like 3 or so teams who want to sign them.

For all of these reasons, you rarely see a guy return to the league after he was in the NBA but washed out of the league and went overseas. For every Yabusele or Dante Exum, there's like 20 Shane Larkins or Carsen Edwards, Vincent Poirier, Kendrick Nunn, Tomas Satoranskys. And for all we know, Exum and Yabusele could be back in Europe next season.

And even Exum and Yabusele were overseas for like 3+ seasons before returning to the NBA. There are no examples that I'm aware of where a guy was in the NBA for a few years, washed out of the league so went overseas and then returned to the NBA in the middle of the season - before even finishing 1 full season overseas.

[playa-hater]

I watched some film of Walker overseas in the recent game vs Real Madrid.

He looks good.

Wouldn't hate it if we sign him.

With that being said:

a) even if we sign him, I doubt he plays much or makes much impact.

b) Even if Brad offers him a contract, let's think critically here about whether Lonnie would even sign it. He's getting consistent playing time (typically 25-30 MPG) overseas and has been one of the leading scorers on his team. He's playing against good competition in front of packed crowds, making good money. He's established himself overseas after uprooting his life and moving across the world. Would he really want to uproot his life and move across the world *again*, just a few months later...to join a team where he likely wouldn't get consistent playing time, where he'd be like the 13th man, where he'd often ride the bench, wave a towel and have some DNP's.

He was quoted last year before the trade deadline saying that he's looking for his "forever home" which implies that he's sick of bouncing around from team to team, only getting 1 year contracts where you have no idea what team you'll be playing for when the next season tips off. Well, The past few years tells us that will likely always be the case for him in the NBA. But you look at some of the guys who leave the NBA and go play overseas (Edy Tavares, Mario Hezonja, Nikola Mirotic, etc) and a lot of these guys do find their forever home. They are able to stay with the same team for awhile. And the top players overseas- for the most part *they* are in control, they control their own destiny and if they are a free agent they have their pick of like 3 or so teams who want to sign them.


For all of these reasons, you rarely see a guy return to the league after he was in the NBA but washed out of the league and went overseas. For every Yabusele or Dante Exum, there's like 10 Shane Larkins or Carsen Edwards. And for all we know, Exum and Yabusele could be back in Europe next season.

And even Exum and Yabusele were overseas for like 3+ seasons before returning to the NBA. There are no examples that I'm aware of where a guy was in the NBA for a few years, washed out of the league so went overseas and then returned to the NBA in the middle of the season.

That would depend on how you define "playing much" and "impact". With Boston having their share of injury Issues and the possibility of Joe having more faith in Walker > Walsh/BS/Peterson, he could have expanded him in the rotation a bit more. Maybe even a true 9th-10th man. Lessening the Load on our Wings which may have resulted in an even better regular season. That to me would have been a small but definitely positive impact.