All things Draft Pick. #3

[GregB]

At what cost?

I would think Crowder/Bradley or Crowder/Smart + Lakers pick could be a core.

Or Something like Bradley or Crowder, Lakers pick, plus #3 or Brown would be the overpay deal. If Danny thinks this team is there with George/Hayward or George/Griffin

Neither deal is even remotely sane. As I stated earlier in the morning. Take any trio of players listed, Butler, IT, George etc...and tell me leaving Cleveland out if it...who has the best players in a series vs GS. Them or the Cs?

I don't care about who has the best player, I care who has the best team and we would certainly be in the conversation. You don't think Paul George doesn't guarantee one of Griffin/Hayward will sign with us after? Plus we still keep Jaylen/#3 and the Brooklyn pick so we aren't maxed out. These guys still have 4-7 years of prime.

[Captain_Caveman]

Counterpoints:
1. Major flight risk in a year.
2. Plays the same position as our top FA target.
3. Will get murdered in the lux tax in 2018-19 if we resign both him and IT.
4. Lower price tag to acquire highly debatable.
5. He's only younger by half a year.

1. Risk worth taking
2. Both can play the 2/3
3. The price of competing
4. Meh. Think it's fairly a one sided debate
5. Touché.

There's no freakin' way we're competitive for a championship any time soon without getting murdered in the luxury tax. We need serious talent from the top to bottom of at least the core rotation, given how strong GS is at the top of their roster.

I didn't say pay lux tax, I said *murdered* by lux tax.

Go ahead, do the math. IT and George get a combined raise of up to $35m while the cap stays flat. Don't forget those two top 5 picks next year. And forget about signing Smart, Bradley or anyone else.

[DK-All Day]

Ainge will select Josh Jackson.

It's time to accept those terms.

[jfs1000d]

1. Risk worth taking
2. Both can play the 2/3
3. The price of competing
4. Meh. Think it's fairly a one sided debate
5. Touché.

There's no freakin' way we're competitive for a championship any time soon without getting murdered in the luxury tax. We need serious talent from the top to bottom of at least the core rotation, given how strong GS is at the top of their roster.

I didn't say pay lux tax, I said *murdered* by lux tax.

Go ahead, do the math. IT and George get a combined raise of up to $35m while the cap stays flat. Don't forget those two top 5 picks next year. And forget about signing Smart, Bradley or anyone else.

Who cares. Wyc, write the damn check. I worry about roster flex. I don't give a crap if wyc gotta write a lux tax check.


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[hickfromfrenchlick]

Reports say a lot of things. Said we were getting that Lakers pick AND the Sacremento pick. Turns out it was only one and that one is protected.

Sometimes the truth is worse than the reports.

You're not helping your credibility by continuing to site the fact that the pick is protected. The protections in all likelihood are good for the Celtics - not bad.

So if the Lakers end up getting the #1 overall pick next year, Philly gets to keep it and add to their core.

How exactly is that good for the Celtics?

Please explain, I'd love to hear from a "credible" poster....

Seriously? That's not the good part. The good part is that we roll it over if it's 6-30. Get it now? Yes, it would be better if it was 1-5 protected but it's mostly in our favor.

[return2glory]

So it's really Butler they're going after and not PG? I was hoping for PG as I think he's the better player and a better fit for the C's.

That's what Steven A. said. And he had a strong feeling that the Celtics/Sixers trade was going to get done the night before it happened.

I also feel George is a little better and because of him being a better 3 point shooter, he is a better fit than Butler. But I'm good with either as long as we are getting Hayward too. And by getting Butler or George, we have a better chance of getting Hayward.

Does anyone sit back and ask why the need to trade significant assets for players the caliber of Butler or George? Where does that get the Cs in 2 years? 5?

Answer. Nowhere. Maybe a perennial ECF team and a Lebron injury away from Finals apearance only to get smoked by GS.

Sounds like a good plan.

You do it because the goal it to constantly get better. The top GMs that already have a top 3-7 team like the Celtics do, aren't going to be sitting around and waiting for the Warriors to fizzle out in 3-6 years. That's a losers mentality if you're the GM.

The Celtics were the third team standing in the playoffs with only one all-star on the team. What happens when we have 3 all-stars with Thomas, Butler, and Hayward. Plus we still have Horford. Smart is still improving. Jaylen should come back as a better player. We have 2 rookies going in (Zizic and Yabusele) who can come along slowly. We will most likely still have the Nets 2018 pick and the Kings 2019 pick.

So what happens in 2-3 years with Thomas, Butler, Hayward, Horford, an improved Brown, Zizic, Yabusele, Smart, and two possible top 5 selections with the 2018 Nets pick and the 2019 Kings pick?

[KGboss]

Ainge will select Josh Jackson.

It's time to accept those terms.

Unless Magic does.

[liveod]

Isaac would be perfect for this Stevens squad.

[SparringPartner]

I do not usually TROLL, but this **** pissed me off.

BOOM jfs 1000d

[Captain_Caveman]

There's no freakin' way we're competitive for a championship any time soon without getting murdered in the luxury tax. We need serious talent from the top to bottom of at least the core rotation, given how strong GS is at the top of their roster.

I didn't say pay lux tax, I said *murdered* by lux tax.

Go ahead, do the math. IT and George get a combined raise of up to $35m while the cap stays flat. Don't forget those two top 5 picks next year. And forget about signing Smart, Bradley or anyone else.

Who cares. Wyc, write the damn check. I worry about roster flex. I don't give a crap if wyc gotta write a lux tax check.


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You will if it is for $50m.

[bwgood77]

You can have him for Booker. Deal?

Ha. Actually I wanted to post this in our forum. Dumb smart phone. My bad.

Apropos of nothing, but you have the weirdest set of favorite sports teams I've ever seen.

Mine are kind of odd until you get to the end and see UConn. But yours make me think you threw darts at a map!

Yes, UCLA, Phx Suns, Cubs, Bucks and Islanders?

Though I have wondered often about Smitty being a Celtics, Patriots and Yankees fan, even though he explained it once.

[tfmiii]

Wyc, the all knowing, said during this years playoff run, the Celtics were two players away from truly competing.

Ainge publicly states the Celtics have good players but they need great players.

Ainge states the Celtics will concentrate on adding All-Star front-court players.

HELLO Mr. Hayward & Mr. George!


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While we were only team in the East to take a game from Cleveland, i think this season underscored that we were only slightly ahead a few other teams in the East for runner's up. So the splash of 1st seed, Brad's 1st all-star game, the king in the 4th etc could evaporate over the course of next season, the time to capitalize on the perceived momentum is now.

Growing slow thru the draft could very well result in us slipping back - an injury, failure of picks to develop, chemistry issues regarding team's direction could all derail the path to the top.

Adding two all-stars will cement us as the alternative in the East, separating us from the pack as the 1b option for stars who in the future are looking to 'move on up', as has been the case in the West with the Spurs, who've been able to capitalize in this regard to Aldridge and now possibly CP3.

4 all-stars for Brad to work his synergy magic, some youth on the rise, two more high picks on the way, no more taking 7 games to eliminate the likes the Wiz, ECFs each season with Finals as a good possibility... sign me up!

[Jingles]

1. Risk worth taking
2. Both can play the 2/3
3. The price of competing
4. Meh. Think it's fairly a one sided debate
5. Touché.

There's no freakin' way we're competitive for a championship any time soon without getting murdered in the luxury tax. We need serious talent from the top to bottom of at least the core rotation, given how strong GS is at the top of their roster.

I didn't say pay lux tax, I said *murdered* by lux tax.

Go ahead, do the math. IT and George get a combined raise of up to $35m while the cap stays flat. Don't forget those two top 5 picks next year. And forget about signing Smart, Bradley or anyone else.

Pretty easy solution to this is to not max the worst defensive player into old age. With the shooters/scorers you're hypothetically adding I think it's a pretty easy call, personally. Hell, roll with Smart at pg in those lineups and be defensive beasts 1-5.

[GregB]

1. Risk worth taking
2. Both can play the 2/3
3. The price of competing
4. Meh. Think it's fairly a one sided debate
5. Touché.

There's no freakin' way we're competitive for a championship any time soon without getting murdered in the luxury tax. We need serious talent from the top to bottom of at least the core rotation, given how strong GS is at the top of their roster.

I didn't say pay lux tax, I said *murdered* by lux tax.

Go ahead, do the math. IT and George get a combined raise of up to $35m while the cap stays flat. Don't forget those two top 5 picks next year. And forget about signing Smart, Bradley or anyone else.

I guess it depends on what IT wants to do. I am sure Danny and ITs agent have had talk about the number. Maybe IT is willing to take 25 mil which helps us keep the roster together.

[return2glory]

Ainge will select Josh Jackson.

It's time to accept those terms.

Mostly likely for the Bulls.

[canman1971]

Ha. Actually I wanted to post this in our forum. Dumb smart phone. My bad.

Apropos of nothing, but you have the weirdest set of favorite sports teams I've ever seen.

Mine are kind of odd until you get to the end and see UConn. But yours make me think you threw darts at a map!

Yes, UCLA, Phx Suns, Cubs, Bucks and Islanders?

Though I have wondered often about Smitty being a Celtics, Patriots and Yankees fan, even though he explained it once.

His childhood friend's family were diehard NY fans and his family wasn't into baseball I believe. It's funny how many here have mixed teams. I mean, people often wonder about me and the Fins. But, like Smitty, it goes back to childhood and I am die hard, all in fan.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Ok, so piecing it all together, Ainge is trading the 3rd pick and players for Butler. That move is one he wanted to make at the deadline, but didn't do so in case the pick was #1.

So by executing this trade, he's essentially doing the move he wanted to do, but now gets that 2018 Lakers pick it it's 2-5, or the 2019 Kings pick.

The question now is, do the Bulls take that package initially offered by Ainge, or do they squeeze him for more? And is Ainge ready to live with that 3rd pick in case he has to walk away from that deal?

[SparringPartner]

Isaac would be perfect for this Stevens squad.

Yes, TOTALLY agree AND the Celtics could probably pick up another asset as well.

SAC is supposedly very high on FOX

I can't see PHX passing on FOX at #4, also rumored

So

BOS - #5 (Isaac), WCS
SAC - #3

[JMac1]

You can have him for Booker. Deal?

Ha. Actually I wanted to post this in our forum. Dumb smart phone. My bad.

Apropos of nothing, but you have the weirdest set of favorite sports teams I've ever seen.

Mine are kind of odd until you get to the end and see UConn. But yours make me think you threw darts at a map!

Lol! You are the first poster to ever comment on my teams, most people I first meet in person are like how did that happen?

Born in Chicago: Cubs
Doug Willams: Bucs

Played hockey with broom sticks and a puck from Gold Diggers game with brothers in early 80's on iced parking lots I would pretend to be : Islanders

NBA Live 94....friends played with Lakers, Knicks, and Hornets....I picked the Suns because they were good on the game: Suns

Graduated from: UCLA

I don't change teams for anything!

[SparringPartner]

Ok, so piecing it all together, Ainge is trading the 3rd pick and players for Butler. That move is one he wanted to make at the deadline, but didn't do so in case the pick was #1.

So by executing this trade, he's essentially doing the move he wanted to do, but now gets that 2018 Lakers pick it it's 2-5, or the 2019 Kings pick.

The question now is, do the Bulls take that package initially offered by Ainge, or do they squeeze him for more? And is Ainge ready to live with that 3rd pick in case he has to walk away from that deal?

PLEASE NO BUTLER