"We Tried So Hard, and (Haven't) Got so Far, But in the End, It Doesn't Even Matter" Trade Thread

[Bohemian]

Pretty clear that Theis is going to be dealt.

Read on Twitter

Yep. This is pretty damning right here

These tweets are giving everyone the wrong impression. I watched the postgame interview with Stevens that these tweets are based on. He said that with Smart back, we would be playing smaller, and our centers may be getting fewer minutes and nights off, but that they would rotate who that was based on matchup. This is not my interpretation, this is literally what he said. He was absolutely not singling out Theis.

That doesn't mean Theis won't be traded. I figure any and all of our guys are eligible to be traded. But what everyone is running with right now RE: Theis is not at all what Stevens said.

It makes sense financially. We may not be able to afford him in the summer, so it´s better to get something for him. I´d rather keep him and trade Tristan, though.

[SMTBSI]

Read on Twitter

Yep. This is pretty damning right here

These tweets are giving everyone the wrong impression. I watched the postgame interview with Stevens that these tweets are based on. He said that with Smart back, we would be playing smaller, and our centers may be getting fewer minutes and nights off, but that they would rotate who that was based on matchup. This is not my interpretation, this is literally what he said. He was absolutely not singling out Theis.

That doesn't mean Theis won't be traded. I figure any and all of our guys are eligible to be traded. But what everyone is running with right now RE: Theis is not at all what Stevens said.

It makes sense financially. We may not be able to afford him in the summer, so it´s better to get something for him. I´d rather keep him and trade Tristan, though.

Sure, there's reasons it makes sense. I just see posters reacting to Theis' short minutes tonight and that tweet as if he's been officially benched. That's not what Stevens said.

[djFan71]

How much would you give up for OG? You're gonna have to overpay, but.... I'd rather overpay for him than Barnes.

TOR: Grant, Nesmith, BOS 21 & 23 1sts, Biyombo, 2 CHA 2nds for OG, Baynes, McCaw
BOS: OG, Baynes, McCaw for Theis, Grant, Nesmith, BOS 21 & 23 1sts
CHA: Theis for Biyombo, 2 2nds.

That's a pretty decent haul for TOR, but they still may not be interested.

Smart, Jaylen, OG, Tatum, Timelord. (Daaaammmnnnnn.....)
Kemba, PP, Romeo, Semi, TT.
Baynes for some beef when needed.
McCaw for title luck after a year off.

Only adds $4M, but you need to use $15M of the TPE since OG has the extension poison pill.

A Kemba/Lonzo based 3 team would be the icing on top.

[Ernest]

Think they just want to keep the centers fresh. There were certainly minutes at the end of the game. Even when Grant got it, that could have been Theis. Let's see against the Jazz. My guess is he plays a lot. If not then maybe there is something going on.

Barely playing him certainly won't drive up his value before a trade. Though it may lower his next contract.

[Ernest]

Could we get anything for Tacko? I think I'm off the Tacko Wagon. It's always been a small small chance he can put things together, but if he could, he could be really good due to his size. I now think that chance is next to zero. He's jogging back on D, wildly missing free throws. Can't catch passes. The time it would take him to put it all together will be more time than he will be young for.

Are any of the teams that allow fans back having trouble selling tickets?

If we could get a 2nd round pick for him I think we should. Sorry Tacko.

[Fencer reregistered]

Theis is a "true 4" who has been forced to play center. If dealt he will be missed, but the reality is that Ainge doesn't want to pay him. There was a similar scenario when Auerbach didn't want to pay Paul Silas in 1976, but Silas was 32 and on the decline. Even so, he won another rink with the Sonics. Theis, meanwhile, is just entering his prime.

Silas was 34 in 1976 and was traded for Curtis Rowe, a 6' 7.5" combo forward who averaged 13 ppg, 8 rpg his 1rst season in Boston. It was a worthwhile trade given Silas was 34 when traded and received a 3 year contract. Silas did win a 3rd championship at age 37 and was President of the Players Association, but the Celtics were trying to get younger by bringing in 27 year old Curtis Rowe.

Rowe also had some college cachet, whether or not it still mattered then; I think both he and Sidney Wicks were 3x NCAA champions and starred for at least part of UCLA's 88-game win streak.

[FlatearthZorro]

Think they just want to keep the centers fresh. There were certainly minutes at the end of the game. Even when Grant got it, that could have been Theis. Let's see against the Jazz. My guess is he plays a lot. If not then maybe there is something going on.

Barely playing him certainly won't drive up his value before a trade. Though it may lower his next contract.

He played pretty well against BKN, had 17 and 8.

I legit don't see the reason for playing Thompson over Theis, Theis is so much more versatile.

[zoyathedestroya]

The reason to move Theis is a financial one (if this is indeed a concern), not a basketball one. He's thoroughly outplayed Thompson from day 1 and fits better with the rest of the roster. Thompson is easily replaceable too with a minimum signing or minor trade.

We've also been playing the wrong double-big lineup.

Theis + Timelord: 126.4 ORtg (99th percentile), 94.6 DRtg (100th percentile), +31.8 NetRtg (100th percentile)
Theis + Thompson: 114.3 ORtg (64th percentile), 114.0 DRtg (35th percentile), +0.3 NetRtg (55th percentile)

[chrisab123]

How much would you give up for OG? You're gonna have to overpay, but.... I'd rather overpay for him than Barnes.

TOR: Grant, Nesmith, BOS 21 & 23 1sts, Biyombo, 2 CHA 2nds for OG, Baynes, McCaw
BOS: OG, Baynes, McCaw for Theis, Grant, Nesmith, BOS 21 & 23 1sts
CHA: Theis for Biyombo, 2 2nds.

That's a pretty decent haul for TOR, but they still may not be interested.

Smart, Jaylen, OG, Tatum, Timelord. (Daaaammmnnnnn.....)
Kemba, PP, Romeo, Semi, TT.
Baynes for some beef when needed.
McCaw for title luck after a year off.

Only adds $4M, but you need to use $15M of the TPE since OG has the extension poison pill.

A Kemba/Lonzo based 3 team would be the icing on top.

Toronto has the best GM in the NBA. He is not going to give OG away for that package. On the flip side, Danny doesn't give up 2 1sts in this deal either.

[Captain_Caveman]

How much would you give up for OG? You're gonna have to overpay, but.... I'd rather overpay for him than Barnes.

TOR: Grant, Nesmith, BOS 21 & 23 1sts, Biyombo, 2 CHA 2nds for OG, Baynes, McCaw
BOS: OG, Baynes, McCaw for Theis, Grant, Nesmith, BOS 21 & 23 1sts
CHA: Theis for Biyombo, 2 2nds.

That's a pretty decent haul for TOR, but they still may not be interested.

Smart, Jaylen, OG, Tatum, Timelord. (Daaaammmnnnnn.....)
Kemba, PP, Romeo, Semi, TT.
Baynes for some beef when needed.
McCaw for title luck after a year off.

Only adds $4M, but you need to use $15M of the TPE since OG has the extension poison pill.

A Kemba/Lonzo based 3 team would be the icing on top.

Toronto has the best GM in the NBA. He is not going to give OG away for that package. On the flip side, Danny doesn't give up 2 1sts in this deal either.

Ujiri is a top GM, but see no basis to grant him best GM status. Raptors were perhaps the luckiest champ in the history of sports.

[Fencer reregistered]

How much would you give up for OG? You're gonna have to overpay, but.... I'd rather overpay for him than Barnes.

TOR: Grant, Nesmith, BOS 21 & 23 1sts, Biyombo, 2 CHA 2nds for OG, Baynes, McCaw
BOS: OG, Baynes, McCaw for Theis, Grant, Nesmith, BOS 21 & 23 1sts
CHA: Theis for Biyombo, 2 2nds.

That's a pretty decent haul for TOR, but they still may not be interested.

Smart, Jaylen, OG, Tatum, Timelord. (Daaaammmnnnnn.....)
Kemba, PP, Romeo, Semi, TT.
Baynes for some beef when needed.
McCaw for title luck after a year off.

Only adds $4M, but you need to use $15M of the TPE since OG has the extension poison pill.

A Kemba/Lonzo based 3 team would be the icing on top.

Toronto has the best GM in the NBA. He is not going to give OG away for that package. On the flip side, Danny doesn't give up 2 1sts in this deal either.

Ujiri is a top GM, but see no basis to grant him best GM status. Raptors were perhaps the luckiest champ in the history of sports.

The basis would be more putting high weight on the gets of Siakam, FVV and Anunoby. Bonus points if it can be shown that he built an international scouting effort at Denver in such a way that he should get partial credit for Jokic being drafted after his departure. He also hired a low-end Coach of the Year, then replaced him with Nick Nurse.

But yeah -- while he certain seems like a good one, he's not proven to be the best.

[Celts17Pride]

Are they really going to limit Theis and not trade him? Cmon Danny, get SOMETHING back for the guy ffs

Relax. Did you really think Stevens was going to come out and say there is good chance we are trading player X this week? Let things play out

[Captain_Caveman]

Toronto has the best GM in the NBA. He is not going to give OG away for that package. On the flip side, Danny doesn't give up 2 1sts in this deal either.

Ujiri is a top GM, but see no basis to grant him best GM status. Raptors were perhaps the luckiest champ in the history of sports.

The basis would be more putting high weight on the gets of Siakam, FVV and Anunoby. Bonus points if it can be shown that he built an international scouting effort at Denver in such a way that he should get partial credit for Jokic being drafted after his departure. He also hired a low-end Coach of the Year, then replaced him with Nick Nurse.

But yeah -- while he certain seems like a good one, he's not proven to be the best.

I think he is great, but that is a pretty favorable read. The other side would be that he built a pretender in Denver, inherited the bulk of his Raptors core, caught a major break in the Finals vs the Ws (if not also in the 2nd round vs Sixers), and had nothing much to do with Jokic. Siakam and FVV may also not be great contracts moving forward.

Top 5 GM, though.

[Captain_Caveman]

If Theis is needed to match salaries, right on. But considering that his trade value is probably a mid-to-late 2nd if anything, would be silly to trade him for the sake of it just to see TT or Timelord get hurt a week later.

[JediMasterRevan]

I am assuming the following

1) Theis gets traded
2) Grant WIlliams gets traded
3) Rob Williams is not starting to keep his name out of other teams' mouthes
4) Aaron Nesmith not playing for same reason as Timelord.


I expect Danny to make a deal that nets a backup reliable wing and a backup power forward.


I expect Danny to do all he can to send Kemba out in the offseason.

[sully00]

Pretty clear that Theis is going to be dealt.

Im a fan of Theis, but ya the double big rotation needs to end and Williams should be the starting big. Which means Theis or TT would be on the outs.

For sure the problem is that Daniel Theis is still BOS's best option at PF. Even starting Smart and sliding Tatum to the 4 only hides this fact. There are another 22 mins a game that have to be manned and this is a premium position with brutal one on one matchups.
Unlike most people in this thread I like the players Boston has, whether it is Semi or Grant and Theis I am just isn't enough to cover the back up 3/4 mins this team is going to need.

Moving Smart and Rob to the starting line up and letting Theis and Thompson go after second units will probably fix a lot of problems in the short term but I worry that it isn't enough come post season. Then 3 quick fouls on Tatum or Brown and Boston could be toast. We really do need that 6'8" live body that can knock down some shots and take on some of the scoring pressure

I am still tight with that TPE. Not just burning it to make a move to say we tried. Forget about the PG position it isn't happening in season. Murray isn't playing better than Kemba on offense and isn't the defender he can be right now and the Spurs have no reason to move a 24 year old under control for 3 more years except for the fact that he is made of glass. Lowry is putting up decent offensive numbers but he looks spent on the defensive end of the floor. Whether or not he will be better than Kemba this postseason we will see but the reality is he is 5 years older and his contract is up he is a spent force. You can't fix your concerns with Kemba by giving Lowry an extension.

[sully00]

If Theis is needed to match salaries, right on. But considering that his trade value is probably a mid-to-late 2nd if anything, would be silly to trade him for the sake of it just to see TT or Timelord get hurt a week later.

You don't move him just to move him but I think Theis may have more value than that around the league. He just checks a lot of boxes for contending teams that need another solid rotation piece more than they need next year's late first round pick, and as always it doesn't have to be next year's first round pick either. At 5 mil expiring dollars and Bird Rights and 28 years old that is a lot of teams that could have interest. The argument could obviously be made that Boston is one of those teams and should just hold on to him in case of injury as well.

[Fencer reregistered]

If Theis is needed to match salaries, right on. But considering that his trade value is probably a mid-to-late 2nd if anything, would be silly to trade him for the sake of it just to see TT or Timelord get hurt a week later.

You're probably understating his value some -- but I agree with the idea of not trading him.

[sully00]

Could we get anything for Tacko? I think I'm off the Tacko Wagon. It's always been a small small chance he can put things together, but if he could, he could be really good due to his size. I now think that chance is next to zero. He's jogging back on D, wildly missing free throws. Can't catch passes. The time it would take him to put it all together will be more time than he will be young for.

Are any of the teams that allow fans back having trouble selling tickets?

If we could get a 2nd round pick for him I think we should. Sorry Tacko.

No he is street FA who is on a two way contract.

[Captain_Caveman]

If Theis is needed to match salaries, right on. But considering that his trade value is probably a mid-to-late 2nd if anything, would be silly to trade him for the sake of it just to see TT or Timelord get hurt a week later.

You don't move him just to move him but I think Theis may have more value than that around the league. He just checks a lot of boxes for contending teams that need another solid rotation piece more than they need next year's late first round pick, and as always it doesn't have to be next year's first round pick either. At 5 mil expiring dollars and Bird Rights and 28 years old that is a lot of teams that could have interest. The argument could obviously be made that Boston is one of those teams and should just hold on to him in case of injury as well.

There’s no way they are getting a first rounder for Theis.