Trade/Free Agency Thread, part Ocho, 2023-24

bigfoot_cryptozoology · Post #581 » by **bigfoot_cryptozoology** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 4:40 pm

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zoyathedestroya · Post #582 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 4:41 pm

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"Dallas and Boston discussed roles with Van Gundy before beefing up their coaching staffs. "

zoyathedestroya · Post #583 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 4:43 pm

Joe Harris off the board as a trade ballast in potential Dame trade involving Nets.

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tfribs45 · Post #584 » by **tfribs45** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 4:45 pm

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"Dallas and Boston discussed roles with Van Gundy before beefing up their coaching staffs. "

Van Gundy would have had this squad in the finals last year. Bubble gum Joe is hanging by a thread .

ajones9219 · Post #585 » by **ajones9219** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 4:47 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:Joe Harris off the board as a trade ballast in potential Dame trade involving Nets.

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Another piece of the board for the Miami/nets 3 team too

Post #586 » by **darrendaye** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 4:49 pm

Please tell me if the Garuba trade unravels. :nod:

zoyathedestroya · Post #587 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 4:51 pm

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Roger Federer · Post #588 » by **Roger Federer** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 4:52 pm

Are we really going to trade for Kyrie 2.0? Dame HATES this city and will quit on this team in the playoffs the second the going gets tough. Every other week will be some story about him complaining about how racist the city is and how “we’ll just have to wait and see” about him reupping at the end of the season. Plus it’ll be a one year rental and then he’s gone even IF they were to win a championship because of the fact that he does not want to be here at all. Just doesn’t make long term sense to trade for this clown despite how perfect the roster would look on paper.

Post #589 » by **darrendaye** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 4:53 pm

Roger Federer wrote:Are we really going to trade for Kyrie 2.0? Dame HATES this city and will quit on this team in the playoffs the second the going gets tough. Every other week will be some story about him complaining about how racist the city is and how “we’ll just have to wait and see” about him reupping at the end of the season. Plus it’ll be a one year rental and then he’s gone even IF they were to win a championship because of the fact that he does not want to be here at all. Just doesn’t make long term sense to trade for this clown despite how perfect the roster would look on paper.

Unlike Kyrie, they can flip him after a year or two.

zoyathedestroya · Post #590 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 4:53 pm

Roger Federer wrote:Are we really going to trade for Kyrie 2.0? Dame HATES this city and will quit on this team in the playoffs the second the going gets tough. Every other week will be some story about him complaining about how racist the city is and how “we’ll just have to wait and see” about him reupping at the end of the season. Plus it’ll be a one year rental and then he’s gone even IF they were to win a championship because of the fact that he does not want to be here at all. Just doesn’t make long term sense to trade for this clown despite how perfect the roster would look on paper.

He's under contract for four years.

keevsnick1 · Post #591 » by **keevsnick1** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 4:56 pm

watsonthedragon wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:Welp as of 20 minutes ago, Dame to Miami just got a little less likely.

Dipo trade going official takes another peice off the board.

Where did you see that trade going official?

Not sure that matters much. Heat still have Hero/Lowry to pretty easily get to Lillard's salary and take back Nurkic as well.

Larry_Russell · Post #592 » by **Larry_Russell** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 4:56 pm

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This guy is sure pushing the Dame to Miami thing.

Jesus.

Basically claiming to team can beat an offer of Herro and Jaquez and a few picks....insane....

GoCeltics123 · Post #593 » by **GoCeltics123** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 4:58 pm

cloverleaf wrote:
GoCeltics123 wrote:Wouldn't count on JB for Dame if you believe Himmelsbach, Woj and Windy

Himmlesbach said the Jaylen extension will be finalized "in the coming days" and Woj/Windy said the Celtics really want to get the extension done

Probabaly offering non-Jaylen assets

Boston would be insane to put out other than that message unless and until they had a deal absolutely nailed down.

It's always possible, and until he's signed there will be speculation, but I'll believe we offer JB for Dame when I see it

1 year of Jaylen just isn't netting you many assets

ajones9219 · Post #594 » by **ajones9219** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 4:59 pm

Roger Federer wrote:Are we really going to trade for Kyrie 2.0? Dame HATES this city and will quit on this team in the playoffs the second the going gets tough. Every other week will be some story about him complaining about how racist the city is and how “we’ll just have to wait and see” about him reupping at the end of the season. Plus it’ll be a one year rental and then he’s gone even IF they were to win a championship because of the fact that he does not want to be here at all. Just doesn’t make long term sense to trade for this clown despite how perfect the roster would look on paper.

"One year rental" he's got 4 years left my dude

zoyathedestroya · Post #595 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 5:01 pm

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Post #596 » by **darrendaye** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 5:01 pm

ajones9219 wrote:
Roger Federer wrote:Are we really going to trade for Kyrie 2.0? Dame HATES this city and will quit on this team in the playoffs the second the going gets tough. Every other week will be some story about him complaining about how racist the city is and how “we’ll just have to wait and see” about him reupping at the end of the season. Plus it’ll be a one year rental and then he’s gone even IF they were to win a championship because of the fact that he does not want to be here at all. Just doesn’t make long term sense to trade for this clown despite how perfect the roster would look on paper.

"One year rental" he's got 4 years left my dude

Nice return of serve!

ajones9219 · Post #597 » by **ajones9219** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 5:02 pm

keevsnick1 wrote:
watsonthedragon wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:Welp as of 20 minutes ago, Dame to Miami just got a little less likely.

Dipo trade going official takes another peice off the board.

Where did you see that trade going official?

Not sure that matters much. Heat still have Hero/Lowry to pretty easily get to Lillard's salary and take back Nurkic as well.

I goofed. Read a fake tweet. I assume it will still end up official today ....but it's not about salary matching. You could expand the dipo trade to try to get a better asset to Portland. Not saying it moves the needle a ton but Miami is incredibly asset poor

Post #598 » by **Celtics_Champs** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 5:02 pm

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Yes keep it coming. Need more people commenting on how Dame changed.

ajones9219 · Post #599 » by **ajones9219** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 5:02 pm

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I thought Philly signed him?

keevsnick1 · Post #600 » by **keevsnick1** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 5:03 pm

Hal14 wrote:
ddb wrote:
watsonthedragon wrote:Just a (probably obvious) thought - If you believe this story about JT recruiting Dame then it means one of two things:

1. Cs think they can get Dame without including JB
2. JB is openly okay with moving on

I just can't imagine JT would essentially be pushing for JBs departure without him being open to it. That would cause some serious locker room issues.

JB obviously knows Boston and likes it in Boston. Plus, he has major financial incentive to remain in Boston. But with that said, it wouldn't shock me if there's a mutual understanding between Brad & JB on what all the options are moving forward for both sides. JB understands the business side of this about as well as any player out there.
His name has been in trade rumors his entire career. And then there's the whole players union piece.

It's not like JB isn't aware. I mean, even if he signs the big ticket, he's right back to being in trade rumors next summer.

Reading between the lines with some of the stuff that has happened (we came up short in the finals in 2022, came up short of getting to the finals in 2023. 5 trips to the ECF now for JB and Smart together, 0 rings) then Smart gets moved, Grant gets moved, no extension yet for JB, Tatum recruiting Lillard.

Reading between the lines, it seems like perhaps there was a meeting with Tatum, Brad (and maybe others were there too like Wyc and Mazzulla) that this team, this group had run its course. That the Tatum/Brown/Smart core is unlikely to win a title together. That it's for the best to move Smart for someone like KP (Smart is probably not good enough to be the 3rd guy on a championship team - but KP probably is). Tatum and JB are too redundant, too much overlap, they play same position basically, they're both high scoring, high usage wings who are not elite defenders, not elite playmakers, it's not a recipe for winning a title. No team in the last 22 years has won a title with 2 high usage (30% or higher), low assist (under 25%) guys.

Perhaps Brad realized all of this, met with Tatum..then flips Smart for KP, flips JB for Dame and flips Grant (to save some $ since KP makes much more $ than Smart and Dame makes much more $ this season than JB)..and because Grant is just not that good lol.

Ya that's one read. You can also very easily read all of this a completely different way. Maybe they think trading Smart for a 7'2 shooting center option gives you the perfect PnR partner for two wing sized guys and gives your offense an actual identity. That combining Smart and Grant into one salary making 28.5 million in 24-25 actually makes it easier to carry Jaylen's extension that year. That stocking up on draft picks makes it easier to dump salary in future years if they want to keep Jaylen/Tatum/KP together while also giving them multiple shots at cheap cost controlled young guys to fill out the roster. And that maybe the Jaylen negotiations haven't wrapped up yet not because they are trading him but because they want to try an find a salary structure that works for both him and the team going forward and gives them a better chance of staying together.

The idea that Jaylen and JB are not a recipe for winning a title is just crazy to me, because they were like 5 minutes in game 4 of the 2022 NBA finals away from going up 3-1 and winning a title. They were some absolutely insanely bad shooting luck away from back-to-back finals trips this year. Those two together absolutely can win a title. My guess is the Celtics are going to do everything they can the next two years to try and win with those two, and if it doesn't work Jaylen gets traded in summer 25' the year before Celtics enter the repeater Tax and both Tatum and Browns extensions would be in effect.