2025 Offseason Trade and Free Agency Thread (Wow this is fun!)

[djFan71]

[Really? That’s a take I haven’t seen yet. We’re talking KO and a 1st for a starting center. Trey, 7 and future picks are the bulk of the value, but Allen is pretty useful.

I didn’t word that well.
It seemed like you were suggesting CLE doesn’t value Allen

Ah, gotcha. Phew. They’re in the same boat financially with aprons. So, KO and a pick (or 2 depending on quality) helps them and gets some spacing. But, I don’t have a real feel on what his price tag would be. I was literally just looking for players I liked that might be available and Trey and Allen were ones I decided to try.

[djFan71]

That said, Brown trades are hard. You have to make offers that look like ridiculous overpays from the other teams to have it make any sense for BOS. One thought I had that I'm not even sure if I like is:

Brown for Trey Murphy III, 7, a few 1sts and Jarrett Allen.
NOP send CLE KO and a good 1st or 2 or something. Helps their apron/tax situation.

It's also hard to make deals with New Orleans because their entire org has gone sideways. Zion didn't pan out and the Pels are such an afterthought in that market, that some NBA media has speculated the teams gonna relocate sometime in the medium term.
I forget if it was Bill Simmons or who, but some said, Joe Dumars was an NBA corporate exec and he was installed to manage the team with an eye that they may be moving to another city in the next 5-10 yrs.
Who knows if there's any truth to it?
I live in Texas and the general feeling towards New Orleans is that it's been in structural decline since the city lost population after Katrina. It just hasnt recovered the way other places have and now we have Seattle, Vegas, Montreal, Tampa, Nashville, Austin that could all better support a franchise.

Yeah, I would kinda feel bad sending JB there, tbh.

[djFan71]

Could always add NOP to the SAS scenarios and they get 2, salary, etc, then send on 7, Trey, KO, extra picks. Not sure they’re ready to go full in on a JB type move.

Ultimately I still don’t see it. But, fun to play around with.

[redslastlaugh]

Yeah, I would kinda feel bad sending JB there, tbh.

For sure. It's a fun city and I'm sure the fans that do attend have a fun time, but it just looks depressing. I was watching when the Pels were in the play-in tournament, I forget if it was 2 or 3 yrs ago, and the camera panned to the arena and it was one third empty. In a do or die game to make the playoffs, they didn't sell out...

[Larry_Russell]

Brown to Pelicans

Kelly Olynyk, Jrue Holiday, #28 to Toronto

RJ Barrett, Trey Murphy 3, Hawkins, (Salary filler from Toronto ~ 7 mill) and #7 to Boston (sheds about 21 million)

Ship off Hauser with the #7 to move up, or just stay and draft a PF to fill in for Tatum for the year.

White/Pritchard
RJ/Scheierman
Murphy3/Hawkins
?????/Horford
KP/Kornet

[Celts17Pride]

If Bane is worth 4 firsts unprotected, can someone pay 8? I said no one is trading #1 for JB but hell, if they didn’t know 1 was Flagg, then that isn’t enough. Bridges got a billion picks too. JB is a year removed finals MVP. #2 isn’t enough! They gotta stack onto #2 and IDC what JB makes. We have to stop undervaluing our players that people don’t like.

Luka isn’t the bar, that was shady.

At least if JB is traded, I know we’ll be flushed with assets, I can live with that!

Part of the reason Banes got 4 1st round picks was to move off of KCP's bad contract which really isn't a good sign for the Celtics.

[Celts17Pride]

If Bane is worth 4 firsts unprotected, can someone pay 8? I said no one is trading #1 for JB but hell, if they didn’t know 1 was Flagg, then that isn’t enough. Bridges got a billion picks too. JB is a year removed finals MVP. #2 isn’t enough! They gotta stack onto #2 and IDC what JB makes. We have to stop undervaluing our players that people don’t like.

Luka isn’t the bar, that was shady.

At least if JB is traded, I know we’ll be flushed with assets, I can live with that!

For me, if the Spurs offered #2, Castle and Vassell I would strongly consider moving Jaylen Brown. That's an overpay. The Spurs won't do that.

[SparringPartner]

[Hauser to HOU
Whitmore to BOS

Yes to Cam!

[WeLikeOurGuys]

If Bane is worth 4 firsts unprotected, can someone pay 8? I said no one is trading #1 for JB but hell, if they didn’t know 1 was Flagg, then that isn’t enough. Bridges got a billion picks too. JB is a year removed finals MVP. #2 isn’t enough! They gotta stack onto #2 and IDC what JB makes. We have to stop undervaluing our players that people don’t like.

Luka isn’t the bar, that was shady.

At least if JB is traded, I know we’ll be flushed with assets, I can live with that!

Unless the Spurs go all in
The Spurs push their chips in to acquire both Kevin Durant and Jaylen Brown in a three team trade San Antonio sends out a large package of young players and picks, but maintains enough cap space to fill out the rest of the roster with solid veterans.

Celtics get under 2nd Apron while keeping KP and Jrue on the roster, but adding in a solid young core.

Suns get Vassell and 14th pick out of it.




To Celtics:
Harrison Barnes
Julian Champagnie
Castle
Blake Wesley
#2 Pick

To Suns:
#14 Pick
Devin Vassell
Jeremy Sochan
Keldon Johnson

To Spurs:
Jaylen Brown
Kevin Durant
Xavier Tillman

The deal probably would never happen, but Spurs would be a force in the West.

[SparringPartner]

If Bane is worth 4 firsts unprotected, can someone pay 8? I said no one is trading #1 for JB but hell, if they didn’t know 1 was Flagg, then that isn’t enough. Bridges got a billion picks too. JB is a year removed finals MVP. #2 isn’t enough! They gotta stack onto #2 and IDC what JB makes. We have to stop undervaluing our players that people don’t like.

Luka isn’t the bar, that was shady.

At least if JB is traded, I know we’ll be flushed with assets, I can live with that!

For me, if the Spurs offered #2, Castle and Vassell I would strongly consider moving Jaylen Brown. That's an overpay. The Spurs won't do that.

#2, Castle, future picks in principal is enough

Vassell’s availability worries me

Problem is JBs salary. It would involve so many more moving parts/teams it’s difficult to figure out the actual value back to C’s

[Curmudgeon]

If Bane is worth 4 firsts unprotected, can someone pay 8? I said no one is trading #1 for JB but hell, if they didn’t know 1 was Flagg, then that isn’t enough. Bridges got a billion picks too. JB is a year removed finals MVP. #2 isn’t enough! They gotta stack onto #2 and IDC what JB makes. We have to stop undervaluing our players that people don’t like.

Luka isn’t the bar, that was shady.

At least if JB is traded, I know we’ll be flushed with assets, I can live with that!

Unless the Spurs go all in
The Spurs push their chips in to acquire both Kevin Durant and Jaylen Brown in a three team trade San Antonio sends out a large package of young players and picks, but maintains enough cap space to fill out the rest of the roster with solid veterans.

Celtics get under 2nd Apron while keeping KP and Jrue on the roster, but adding in a solid young core.

Suns get Vassell and 14th pick out of it.




To Celtics:
Harrison Barnes
Julian Champagnie
Castle
#2 Pick

To Suns:
#14 Pick
Devin Vassell
Jeremy Sochan

To Spurs:
Jaylen Brown
Kevin Durant
Xavier Tillman

The deal probably would never happen, but Spurs would be a force in the West.

Then I woulds turn around and offer #2, Castle, #28 and #32 to the Mavs for #1.

[SparringPartner]

To Celtics:
Harrison Barnes
Julian Champagnie
Castle
#2 Pick

To Suns:
#14 Pick
Devin Vassell
Jeremy Sochan

To Spurs:
Jaylen Brown
Kevin Durant
Xavier Tillman

The deal probably would never happen, but Spurs would be a force in the West.

Trade doesn’t work. Spurs $25.5M over

[SparringPartner]

[Then I woulds turn around and offer #2, Castle, #28 and #32 to the Mavs for #1.

If that’s the offer, then I’m pretty sure the Spurs just take Flagg and pair him with Wemby

[Shak_Celts]

If Bane is worth 4 firsts unprotected, can someone pay 8? I said no one is trading #1 for JB but hell, if they didn’t know 1 was Flagg, then that isn’t enough. Bridges got a billion picks too. JB is a year removed finals MVP. #2 isn’t enough! They gotta stack onto #2 and IDC what JB makes. We have to stop undervaluing our players that people don’t like.

Luka isn’t the bar, that was shady.

At least if JB is traded, I know we’ll be flushed with assets, I can live with that!

For me, if the Spurs offered #2, Castle and Vassell I would strongly consider moving Jaylen Brown. That's an overpay. The Spurs won't do that.

It’s not enough! No. That’s like 2 first round picks total. It’s a no for me. Everybody that was a star (not even), and many with less accolades, received way more. Brad better go for the jugular!


Okay, not hating on vassell, he’s a first round pick. So 3.

[Gant]

Bobby Marks: D-White trade would command ‘Desmond Bane-plus' offer

"I think it would have to be a Desmond Bane-plus type offer," Marks said of a potential White trade on NBC Sports Boston's The Off C'season special. "I love Derrick White. Every team needs a Derrick White. I think his salary is really good at four (years) for 118 (million). I think he provides tremendous value for you. I think if you did a Jrue (Holiday) trade, you're probably sliding him. He's probably gonna play on the ball a little bit more.

"It's hard for me because I do think you have to have high-level players around. Jayson (Tatum) is gonna return eventually, and he's gonna return probably better than he was, that you have to have high-level players still around him."

https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nba/boston-celtics/video-bobby-marks-derrick-white-trade-desmond-bane-plus-offer/715063/

[chrisab123]

If Bane is worth 4 firsts unprotected, can someone pay 8? I said no one is trading #1 for JB but hell, if they didn’t know 1 was Flagg, then that isn’t enough. Bridges got a billion picks too. JB is a year removed finals MVP. #2 isn’t enough! They gotta stack onto #2 and IDC what JB makes. We have to stop undervaluing our players that people don’t like.

Luka isn’t the bar, that was shady.

At least if JB is traded, I know we’ll be flushed with assets, I can live with that!

Unless the Spurs go all in
The Spurs push their chips in to acquire both Kevin Durant and Jaylen Brown in a three team trade San Antonio sends out a large package of young players and picks, but maintains enough cap space to fill out the rest of the roster with solid veterans.

Celtics get under 2nd Apron while keeping KP and Jrue on the roster, but adding in a solid young core.

Suns get Vassell and 14th pick out of it.




To Celtics:
Harrison Barnes
Julian Champagnie
Castle
#2 Pick

To Suns:
#14 Pick
Devin Vassell
Jeremy Sochan

To Spurs:
Jaylen Brown
Kevin Durant
Xavier Tillman

The deal probably would never happen, but Spurs would be a force in the West.

That deal is horrible for Boston. No thanks

[WeLikeOurGuys]

To Celtics:
Harrison Barnes
Julian Champagnie
Castle
#2 Pick

To Suns:
#14 Pick
Devin Vassell
Jeremy Sochan

To Spurs:
Jaylen Brown
Kevin Durant
Xavier Tillman

The deal probably would never happen, but Spurs would be a force in the West.

Trade doesn’t work. Spurs $25.5M over

Sorry I forgot to add some pieces, but this trade works.

[WeLikeOurGuys]

Unless the Spurs go all in
The Spurs push their chips in to acquire both Kevin Durant and Jaylen Brown in a three team trade San Antonio sends out a large package of young players and picks, but maintains enough cap space to fill out the rest of the roster with solid veterans.

Celtics get under 2nd Apron while keeping KP and Jrue on the roster, but adding in a solid young core.

Suns get Vassell and 14th pick out of it.




To Celtics:
Harrison Barnes
Julian Champagnie
Castle
#2 Pick

To Suns:
#14 Pick
Devin Vassell
Jeremy Sochan

To Spurs:
Jaylen Brown
Kevin Durant
Xavier Tillman

The deal probably would never happen, but Spurs would be a force in the West.

That deal is horrible for Boston. No thanks

The #2 pick and Castle is horrible for Jaylen Brown? GTHO

[Shak_Celts]

Unless the Spurs go all in
The Spurs push their chips in to acquire both Kevin Durant and Jaylen Brown in a three team trade San Antonio sends out a large package of young players and picks, but maintains enough cap space to fill out the rest of the roster with solid veterans.

Celtics get under 2nd Apron while keeping KP and Jrue on the roster, but adding in a solid young core.

Suns get Vassell and 14th pick out of it.




To Celtics:
Harrison Barnes
Julian Champagnie
Castle
#2 Pick

To Suns:
#14 Pick
Devin Vassell
Jeremy Sochan

To Spurs:
Jaylen Brown
Kevin Durant
Xavier Tillman

The deal probably would never happen, but Spurs would be a force in the West.

That deal is horrible for Boston. No thanks

The #2 pick and Castle is horrible for Jaylen Brown? GTHO

Not horrible. Not enough.

[phincsfan]

I posted this a couple weeks ago in the previous trade thread when someone else made this same point so I'll post here as a spoiler:

Spoiler:

That's not their fault:

-They were freshmen. The teams in college basketball that win lots of games and make deep tourney runs are veteran teams with seniors, juniors..hell, with COVID there's actually lots of 24 and even 25 year old dudes playing on some of the top college basketball teams. Auburn had a 25 year old (Chad Baker Mazara) who's going to be playing college basketball AGAIN next year, lol. Auburn's average age of their starters was like 23. Kentucky had a bunch of 23 year olds. Duke had a few freshmen but balanced that out nicely with good older vets like Gillis, James, Brown and Proctor.

Florida had a bunch of older guys.

Who did Rutgers have for good vets? Nobody. Not only were Harper and Ace freshmen but they were young freshmen, 2 of the youngest freshmen in college basketball..Ace is still only 18 and Harper was 18 for pretty much the whole season

-Plus they started 2 other freshmen in addition to Ace and Harper

-The rest of the team outside of Ace and Harper was basically America East talent, at best.

-Harper had knee surgery over the summer before last season..he also sprained his ankle mid-season and had the flu so bad that he lost 15 lbs in January. Ace had an injury early in the season and an illness mid-season

-Jaylen Brown, Lamelo Ball, Ant Edwards..their teams in their pre-draft season were bad too..how good your team is when you're an 18 yr old pre-NBA kid doesn't mean much. Otherwise Walter Clayton would be a top 3 pick, smh

-I also think Ace is a bit overrated. While he's projected to be the 3rd pick, he's around like the 7-11 range on my personal big board.

Two top 5 picks who's team couldn't get above .500? That may be a first. I'm busy today, but I'm gonna check out previous draft classes.

So you didn't read anything I posted in the spoiler section?

They probably had the worst teammates of any high major team in the past 20 years. Poor coaching too..

That's a really weak argument..nobody with credibility makes that argument because people with credibility know the context I just mentioned and have Harper at 2 and Bailey in the 3-8 range.

Agree to disagree