Trade Landscape/Trade Ideas

[Devilanche]

De Colo or Mills + Bonner for Bass?
Get you guy another PG while getting out of Bass contract for next year?
Bonner could probably be bought out at deadline or traded then.

[Celts17Pride]

No one on this team is untouchable. Everyone could be moved including Rondo, Bradley, Sully, Green etc. Ainge has to decide if he has any "keepers" on this team.

This season is a sham. Ainge giving people lip service just to sell tickets. The quicker the 2013-2014 season is over the better. Such a farce and a sham.

Bring on the 2014-2015 season!

[achimho]

Boozer (PF, 2yrs/32M), Deng (SF, 1yr/14.3M) and Marquis Teague (PG, rookie deal) and our 2nd for
Wallace, Bass, Lee, Green, your 1st and 2016 Brooklyn 1st?

[Slartibartfast]

Boozer (PF, 2yrs/32M), Deng (SF, 1yr/14.3M) and Marquis Teague (PG, rookie deal) and our 2nd for
Wallace, Bass, Lee, Green, your 1st and 2016 Brooklyn 1st?

Weird trade, man. That's a ton of money changing hands and a ton of uncertainty with those picks.

[165bows]

Boozer (PF, 2yrs/32M), Deng (SF, 1yr/14.3M) and Marquis Teague (PG, rookie deal) and our 2nd for
Wallace, Bass, Lee, Green, your 1st and 2016 Brooklyn 1st?

Weird trade, man. That's a ton of money changing hands and a ton of uncertainty with those picks.

What is this, 2010? Maybe LeBron will opt out and sign here.

[achimho]

I feel like the Bulls FO has to do something.
Deng wants to test FA and might demand too much, Boozer might get amnestied to bring over Mirotic for MLE.
So in my mind a nice thing to do would be trading both, get a replacement for Deng in Green.
Gibson would start a year earlier and Bass or Green (depending on the rotation) could back him up.
Lee and Wallace improve bench depth for a playoff run.

By doing this we take off a year of each bad contract.

Dream scenario prior to next draft would be to throw Bass (expiring by then), Lee and as many picks (CHI/CHA/BOS 1st) as needed to a top 5-6 drafting team with cap space (like Jazz, 76ers, Suns) and secure one of the top draft prospects.

I like playing around some scenarios in my head

[soxfan2003]

Boozer (PF, 2yrs/32M), Deng (SF, 1yr/14.3M) and Marquis Teague (PG, rookie deal) and our 2nd for
Wallace, Bass, Lee, Green, your 1st and 2016 Brooklyn 1st?

I'm someone who wants the Celtics to have a top 3 pick this year so I wouldn't even consider such a deal with the Celtics 2014 pick included and perhaps the best pick the Celtics got from Brooklyn also included.

I do think a trade of Green to the Bulls, Deng to some other team and a draft pick and bad player with 1-2 years left on his contract to the Celtics makes some sense for Chicago and Boston. Green may be a slightly younger/more affordable Deng replacement without a lot of miles on his knees etc. Chicago can then invest money elsewhere.

With Sullinger and Olynyk already on the roster, I just don't see Boozer being young enough to stunt the growth of 3 players who will probably never be as good as young Boozer but are at least worth investing in.

[CelticsBizniss]

I'd love to see us target Aldridge and Horford if we can't get Wiggens

For Horford and Wes Matthews
The better of Olynyk/Sullinger at the time. Brooklyn's three picks, Avery, and Lee

For Aldridge
Our top 5 pick, the worse of Olynyk/Sullinger and Gerald Wallace. Clippers 2015

Celtics:
Rondo/Matthews/Green/Aldridge/Horford
Vet/Crawford/MLE/Bass/ResignedHumphries or something

Blazers get a PF to replace Aldridge in the short term and a top 5 pick
Hawks get a PF to replace Horford, three nice looking picks, and Avery Bradley

[ryaningf]

Zach Lowe thinks Faried might be available, among other things:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9860683/32-bold-predictions-2013-14-nba-season

We've got too many PFs as it is but I'd move heaven and earth to get my hands on Faried.

[Valid]

Zach Lowe thinks Faried might be available, among other things:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9860683/32-bold-predictions-2013-14-nba-season

We've got too many PFs as it is but I'd move heaven and earth to get my hands on Faried.

I guess Denver feels with McGee and Hickson up front, they can afford to move Faried. I still think it'd be silly for them do so, though. That being said, I don't see us being able to put together any sort of package for him that makes sense for both sides.

[Slartibartfast]

Zach Lowe thinks Faried might be available, among other things:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9860683/32-bold-predictions-2013-14-nba-season

We've got too many PFs as it is but I'd move heaven and earth to get my hands on Faried.

I was a big Faried booster in college, but I think his gaudy stats in the NBA have inflated his reputation/value. I think he's a very nice 3rd big to have in your rotation - great rebounder in space (though surprisingly poor at boxing out), excellent transition weapon with his hustle and athleticism and a good possession creator overall. But he's a poor defensive player and a very limited offensive player.

It would be all kinds of fun watching him play with Rondo, but he's not a building block in any way.

[165bows]

Zach Lowe thinks Faried might be available, among other things:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9860683/32-bold-predictions-2013-14-nba-season

We've got too many PFs as it is but I'd move heaven and earth to get my hands on Faried.

Fun article, thanks for posting.

Lowe reiterates his belief that the Celtics will trade out of any competitive scenario that may arise.

12. Boston Will Trade Itself Down the Standings

Reality has set in for Boston fans after Gerald Wallace's rant about effort over the weekend and a listless preseason overall. This is what an NBA offense looks like when every player on a team (save Rondo) tops out as "third option on a contender."

But Boston will defend, despite a glaring lack of rim protection, and it will scrap its way to enough wins that eighth-seed dreams might seem plausible after 20 games. The Celtics wouldn't mind their young guys getting to experience meaningful late-season games, but the guess here is that the front office would rather have at least one very nice first-round pick in a loaded draft. In other words, look for everyone to be on the table. Bass might be the most tradable guy, since he's a solid player with just one year left on his contract after this season. But bigger names will come up. Jeff Green has fans around the league, and Rondo's contract expires after next season. He has to prove his health again, but I've never gotten the impression Boston would be stoked to pay Rondo a max (or near-max) deal after 2015.

Also thought this was interesting about the various title contenders...

32. This Season Is Going to Be a Ton of Fun

I went into last season absolutely sure Miami would win the title, and I felt even more strongly when the playoffs opened. This season? I've no clue. It feels like the first time since the start of 2011-12 that I might take the field over the Heat. The Eastern Conference is better at the top, and whichever team survives the Western Conference — the equivalent to beating four video-game bosses in a row — will be a powerhouse. And we've no clue which team that will be. You could select any of San Antonio, Oklahoma City, Memphis, Houston, and the Clippers and I wouldn't object. Heck, you could predict another mega-leap for Golden State and I wouldn't think you were nuts.

The title feels more truly in play than it has been in a while. That unpredictability, plus what should be a fun trade market, will make this season a doozy. One more week …

[Slartibartfast]

If Bass is our most trade-able guy, how is he still on this team? My goodness he needs to go.

Problem is I don't think he's all that trade-able. How many half-decent back-up 4s are pulling down $6.5 mil per? Speights, Hansbrough, Diaw, Scola, Arthur... those are market rates for journeyman back-up 4s. Bass is well overpaid.

The only trade I can think of is to Miami for Joel Anthony and James Jones - saves us some money, gives us a mediocre rim protector and clears up some of the logjam at the 4. Miami could use a 4 with quickness and a mid-range J - Haslem's J has been broke the last few years.

[Havlicek17]

Courtesy of Grantland:

23. If Eric Gordon Stays Healthy and Plays Well, the Pelicans Will Look to Trade Him

New Orleans has said all the right things about Gordon: He loves it here! He's a nice guy! He doesn't really pout that much! He shows new players around the city! We totally believe Tyreke Evans can play a ton of minutes at small forward! I'm not quite buying it, given the Evans signing, and the fact that the Gordon-Davis-Evans–Jrue Holiday–Ryan Anderson core has these guys basically capped out through 2015-16.

Gordon's deal is toxic now, but it doesn't have to be if he's healthy. He has only two seasons left after this one, and the final year on the contract is Gordon's option. And max deals for guys coming off rookie contracts aren't as damaging as a $20 million cap-clogger gone bad.

Gordon inspires a ton of curious talk in rival front offices. He's not yet 25, with an impressive skill set and a disastrously bad health history. If he plays well and stays in the lineup, the Pellies might get someone to bite.
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That someone might be the Celtics...

The Pelican's need a starting SF and Center so Davis can play PF.

[brackdan70]

Courtesy of Grantland:

23. If Eric Gordon Stays Healthy and Plays Well, the Pelicans Will Look to Trade Him

New Orleans has said all the right things about Gordon: He loves it here! He's a nice guy! He doesn't really pout that much! He shows new players around the city! We totally believe Tyreke Evans can play a ton of minutes at small forward! I'm not quite buying it, given the Evans signing, and the fact that the Gordon-Davis-Evans–Jrue Holiday–Ryan Anderson core has these guys basically capped out through 2015-16.

Gordon's deal is toxic now, but it doesn't have to be if he's healthy. He has only two seasons left after this one, and the final year on the contract is Gordon's option. And max deals for guys coming off rookie contracts aren't as damaging as a $20 million cap-clogger gone bad.

Gordon inspires a ton of curious talk in rival front offices. He's not yet 25, with an impressive skill set and a disastrously bad health history. If he plays well and stays in the lineup, the Pellies might get someone to bite.
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That someone might be the Celtics...

The Pelican's need a starting SF and Center so Davis can play PF.

Green and Bass for Gordon? or are hoping the would take Wallace.

[Havlicek17]

Earlier in this thread I suggested a trade with Wallace. Wallace's contract is for 3 years at around $10 Mil/season. The Grantland article says that Gordon's contract is toxic to NO. They have a log jam at the 2 spot, desperately need a starting quality SF, and Gordon's contract is for 3 years at ~$14 Mil/season.

In the first half of the season, I believe Wallace will prove to be one of the better starting caliber SF's in the league, and in a contract swap for Gordon, saves NO ~$14 Mil over the next 3 years.

Of course, we'd have to throw someone else into the trade to make the numbers work, but that extra player would likely either fill another hole (like Vitor would do for their Center position) or be shorter term like an expiring this season (maybe Crawford).

[Andrew McCeltic]

I think Green for Gordon is more likely- they could use a young small forward to grow with their core. Don't know if they're fans of him, but wasn't Rondo/Green for CP the rumor a couple of years ago?

I think Wallace will see a resurgence, but he doesn't fit a lot of teams because of his offensive liabilities..

And I'm not sure Eric Gordon is a great fit here.. he's a huge question mark because of his contract. I would think about Humphries/Bradley for Gordon, or even Humphries/Crawford.

The more I've thought about it, the best thing we can do is trade one of our wings for a big man. Could be Bass/Lee for Asik, or Green for Greg Monroe, or Bradley for Kanter. But we could use one more promising frontcourt prospect, and I'm not sure who we can get in the next draft.. Even if we don't build around Sullinger/Olynyk/Monroe, we'd have depth for trades.

Personally I want Parker and Exum out of the draft, two potentially elite offensive players.. Rondo and Exum or Bradley and Exum, Parker at the 3, Sullinger, Olynyk, Monroe and a ton of cap room is a great start.

We could also try to low-ball the Lakers on Gasol (like they did Memphis)- Green/Lee or Green/Bradley/Bass..

[Slartibartfast]

I think a healthy Gordon's a very strong fit with Rondo and Bradley in a 3-man backcourt rotation. Excellent shooter/secondary playmaker with Rondo + good ball-handler/decent passer to match with Bradley.

[zronv7]

What would it take to get Gordon Hayward on the C's?

[Andrew McCeltic]

I don't think Hayward could be pried from Utah without giving up Rondo.. Maybe Eric Gordon..

And Gordon obviously pairs ok with RR/AB but it's a small and fragile backcourt without anyone who can get to and finish at the rim..


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