I feel this is the year to trade Rondo

Andrew McCeltic · Post #61 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Sat Nov 15, 2014 8:01 am

Rondo, Wallace for Collison, Mclemore, DWill, Landry-or-Thompson works in the checker... Could probably find takers for Collison and a pf in a multi-team deal..

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exculpatory · Post #62 » by **exculpatory** » Sat Nov 15, 2014 10:51 am

andy582 wrote:Rondo, Wallace for Collison, Mclemore, DWill, Landry-or-Thompson works in the checker... Could probably find takers for Collison and a pf in a multi-team deal..

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Do it.

pac213up · Post #63 » by **pac213up** » Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:05 pm

andy582 wrote:Rondo, Wallace for Collison, Mclemore, DWill, Landry-or-Thompson works in the checker... Could probably find takers for Collison and a pf in a multi-team deal..

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Rather let him leave via FA.

BRUNiNHO91 · Post #64 » by **BRUNiNHO91** » Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:50 pm

Thinking outside the box here for a bit..I been hearing Reggie Jackson is going to want out of OKC to pursue a starting job somewhere.

Howz about Rajon Rondo for Reggie Jackson, Perry Jones OR Lamb and Kendrick Perkins? It works on the checker. Reggie Jackson is killing it this year but he's a free agent next year and for a rebuilding team like us he will come cheaper to get than Rondo. OKC would get Rondo, Russ, KD, Ibaka and Adams. That team has dynasty potential if OKC is willing to spend the money to resign Rondo.

Boston would end up with

Jackson/Smart
Bradley/Thornton/Turner
Green/Perry Jones/Young
Sullinger/Bass
Olynyk/Zeller/Perkins

I don't want to trade Rondo, but if we did I think one of these trades would have to be the end goal for Boston. You can argue that the Thunder need more out of this trade, but once they are raising multiple NBA trophies in the next 5 years I'm sure they would be ok with it.

15th overall · Post #65 » by **15th overall** » Sat Nov 15, 2014 2:55 pm

I think the time to trade him was the draft. Not totally opposed to trading him if we can get a decent return, just feels as bad a time as ever to pawn this guy off. He's been killing it though, so I guess the landscape could change.

Ben McLemore is looking more and more like a prospect worthy of our attention, and Sacramento is starting to look like it could possibly be capable of keeping Rondo's interest (as far as success going forward goes)... but not having multiple first rounders (or additional prospects) is kind of a dealbreaker for me.

gocelts · Post #66 » by **gocelts** » Sat Nov 15, 2014 3:17 pm

Im REALY REALY am pissed off about his last play last night.....but ......this team still isn't THAT good and it certainly is not constructed around Rondo, even though he's our best/feature player....hes also playing with a second year coach and coming off an injury...all and all he's not doing that bad.

It's easy to blame Rondo for this team and dream of getting some large haul for him....but I don't think we need any more mid round draft picks and mediocre players.

Danny needs to make a COMMITMENT to Rondo AND Stevens, and acquire players that fit each others strengths and can offset their weaknesses. If he continues just to make trades to acquire assets with no regard for roster balance and chemistry then what you see is what we are going to be stuck with for a long time.

In the spirit of this thread though.....We should have traded Rondo in last years draft, either to Sac or LA for their pick. Now we won't have as much leverage because a team will risk losing him after a few months rather than having him for the whole year. We have to broker a trade with a team that both Rondo and said team is willing to commit to long term and this is going to be hard to A, find one, and B get value.

ConstableGeneva · Post #67 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Sat Nov 15, 2014 3:58 pm

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IWiElPL7S4[/youtube]
You just can't replace that ****. No one else can do what he does esp. in Brad's uptempo offense. Don't replace Rondo with a go-to scorer. ADD one alongside him.

crosko42 · Post #68 » by **crosko42** » Sat Nov 15, 2014 4:31 pm

I know we're only 8 games in...

But rondos numbers so far have never been accomplished for a full season (10/12/8).

Drop the rebounds to 7 and magic has done it twice.

Drop the points to 9, and the assists to 11 and Oscar Robertson did it a few times.

Drop it to 9/11/7 and kidd did it a few times too (along with magic and oscar).

Not saying we shouldn't look to trade him at some point, but what we are seeing in terms of an all around performance night in night out is something special and would rank up there with some of the all time greats in terms of overall impact.

Give rondo one more marquee player and we are a contender when he plays like this.

HeartBreakKid · Post #69 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Sat Nov 15, 2014 4:31 pm

I have no idea why people keep talking about whether Rondo is having a good season or not.

Rondo having a good season is WHY we should trade him.

Like some of you guys remind me of people who spam peoples inboxes with bad trades in fantasy sports, trying to dump players no one wants. Trying to trade Rondo last year was futile, because he was not worth anything.

Now, Rondo is good, which means we can actually get something in return for him. Why settle for building around Rondo? Does anyone here actually think he is a top ten, or even top 20 player?

He's a good player, but we're a rebuilding team who are ages away from being a contender. Even if we drastically overachieve and we get 8th seed in the East, that still means we're a below average team relative to the league. I'm telling y'all, either Rondo or Green have to go. We don't even know if those guys will stay when free agency comes around, why risk it?

It's only our second year of rebuilding, people should look forward to our roster changing.

crosko42 · Post #70 » by **crosko42** » Sat Nov 15, 2014 4:35 pm

HeartBreakKid wrote:I have no idea why people keep talking about whether Rondo is having a good season or not.

Rondo having a good season is WHY we should trade him.

Like some of you guys remind me of people who spam peoples inboxes with bad trades in fantasy sports, trying to dump players no one likes. Trying to trade Rondo last year was futile, because he was not worth anything.

Now, Rondo is good, which means we can actually get something in return for him. Why settle for building around Rondo? Does anyone here actually think he is a top ten, or even top 20 player?

When he plays like this he is.

The other issue is that so many teams have ball dominant stars or other good pgs that the market for rondo will never return what he is truly worth. I think he gets close to the max this summer, but if you look to trade him (especially as an expiring), you are only looking at a hand full of teams that would even be willing to move assets for him (usually assets we don't even want).

gocelts · Post #71 » by **gocelts** » Sat Nov 15, 2014 4:50 pm

ConstableGeneva wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IWiElPL7S4[/youtube]
You just can't replace that ****. No one else can do what he does esp. in Brad's uptempo offense. Don't replace Rondo with a go-to scorer. ADD one alongside him.

FANTASTIC. Thanks for sharing.

If he can do this with Zeller and Olynyk...Imagine what he could do with another Allstar.... also, everyone has to consider BAD we would be without him...oh, that's right,,,that already happened last year.

Kids Are Alright · Post #72 » by **Kids Are Alright** » Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:55 pm

So, he's looking like the best pure pg in the league after 8 games....why do you trade a legit all-star for a couple of MOR players (unless he says hes through with the Cs). The guy is crazy good this year...and he does it by making everyone around him turn into a stud..do we want to be the Bobcats/Wizards/Bucks/TWolves forever?

Andrew McCeltic · Post #73 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Sat Nov 15, 2014 8:46 pm

Do the Kings have 1sts to trade? Could we find multi-team takers for Thompson or Collison to give back assets? Like JT to OKC, Perkins/1st to BOS?

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Andrew McCeltic · Post #74 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Sat Nov 15, 2014 8:50 pm

And Rondo is having a great start, plus this current team might have won if Smart had been healthy those last couple of games..

But if you make the long term decision to trade Rondo (and I'm not in that camp yet), SAC could give us a decent deal, a great one if we luck out in finding other teams to participate. And you have to at least shop around..

If I were Boston I'd make some friendly comment to Jason Kidd like 'Rondo reminds me of you, it's amazing how a great point guard can transform a team'- play off his vanity and try to get Sanders/Giannis/picks..

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Celtsfan1980 · Post #75 » by **Celtsfan1980** » Sat Nov 15, 2014 9:42 pm

HeartBreakKid wrote:He's a good player, but we're a rebuilding team who are ages away from being a contender.

Last I read Leonard and the Spurs haven't agreed to a contract. Several Centers who are free agents. With a few free agent signings, improvement from your young players, and good drafting, the Celtics can build a very good team very quickly. It would require some luck, but it's certainly possible.

KamikazeK · Post #76 » by **KamikazeK** » Sat Nov 15, 2014 9:49 pm

I wouldn't mind taking another look at that Rondo-for-Irving swap.

nic4747 · Post #77 » by **nic4747** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:33 pm

HeartBreakKid wrote:I have no idea why people keep talking about whether Rondo is having a good season or not.

Rondo having a good season is WHY we should trade him.

Like some of you guys remind me of people who spam peoples inboxes with bad trades in fantasy sports, trying to dump players no one wants. Trying to trade Rondo last year was futile, because he was not worth anything.

Now, Rondo is good, which means we can actually get something in return for him. Why settle for building around Rondo? Does anyone here actually think he is a top ten, or even top 20 player?

He's a good player, but we're a rebuilding team who are ages away from being a contender. Even if we drastically overachieve and we get 8th seed in the East, that still means we're a below average team relative to the league. I'm telling y'all, either Rondo or Green have to go. We don't even know if those guys will stay when free agency comes around, why risk it?

It's only our second year of rebuilding, people should look forward to our roster changing.

This. If you want to trade Rondo you have to sell high. You don't trade him when he sucks (ie, last year, that would be selling low). I don't think everyone on this forum understands this concept.

BannersOnly · Post #78 » by **BannersOnly** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:13 am

I love NBA fans..........the cure all to everything is "Hey, let's trade our best player..........that will make us better!". Uhhhh, no, it very rarely does. The team that gets the BEST player in the trade almost always wins the trade long-term and the team that traded away the best player almost always isn't better in the long run because of it. Was Minnesota better for trading KG? Was OKC better for trading Harden? Was Memphis better for trading Gasol? Is Denver any closer to a title after trading Melo? Please. If we trade Rondo we will most likely be getting a pu pu platter of young players and maybe a draft pick that will certainly be a Top 5 protected pick(at least). That's not getting us anywhere. Do you guys want to be a contender anytime soon? Well, if you do, than the quickest way to getting there is to keep your proven all star PG in his prime and build around the effin guy. If the NFL was the NBA than 90% of you would have traded off Brady, Wilfork and Gronk years ago. Ridiculous.

Celts17Pride · Post #79 » by **Celts17Pride** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:36 am

How about let's keep Rondo.

GuyClinch · Post #80 » by **GuyClinch** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:17 am

The problem for Danny is that he can offer him max - and he will still up and leave and go to Houston. Rondo is playing at super Rondo levels - for the most part. His defense was always overblown - but he is making the offense better IMHO. This is as good as he gets - and it will get him max. Your choices are ..

Offer him max and hope he stays. Trade him in case he wants to sign on with someone else (Houston for example). Rondo isn't saying much - he is being a good teammate. But if he gets traded its because he told Danny he wants out and wants to win now.

I don't think Danny has the guts to make the gamble - and if we lose him it will be in free agency. We will still get a couple picks back that way - maybe a a few #1s. So this means that any trade will have to be better then the potential sign and trade deal. There is a chance that he just wants to stay even with the prospects of the C's being just above average in the near future. We just don't know at this point.

In short - Rondo trade - less likely then ever. This team will be battling for the 8th playoff spot - despite its current record. They play in the Eastern conference so their record will explode once they start playing those dregs. Even Cleveland barely won..

Rondo's fate is entirely in his hands - he can stay if he wants to - and will move on if he wants to. If he has developed emotional feelings for the Celtics organization - maybe he stays. Long term probably won't be great for us..but the Celtics will be fun to watch.