"WCIHAoTDP?" - 2016 Draft Thread P.2

[Yunsen]

If we have the 4th pick and Bender goes 3rd I'm trading it. If the Cavs flame out in the playoffs again I try throwing the 4th pick (Hield), Amir and someone else at them for Love and a 2018 or 2019 1st.

Bender goes 6th-10th... Buddy goes top 3

Hield doesn't really fit us unless we trade Bradley or Smart, and if we're drafting Hield with the Brooklyn pick we're not going to get a lot of value for them with any of the other picks this year.

[robbie84]

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[Andrew McCeltic]

I'm fine with Hield as a draft day acquisition, but not with the Brooklyn pick. Maybe he slides to the DAL selection, like Pierce slid- maybe we trade 11/22 for 8, maybe we trade Bradley/BOS to NOP for 6 and take him there.

With the BKN pick, unless it jumps to 1-2-3, I'm thinking BPA (Ingram, Bender, Brown, maybe Poetl if he rises in workouts) or getting Kris Dunn and trading him to PHI for Okafor or Noel. Also have a feeling LA would take Dunn 2nd even though they have Russell.

I'm actually more excited about the DAL pick, if it stays at 12, because you can get a young big prospect who slides- Poetl, Rabb, Sabonis, maybe even Skal if he's in the draft.

22/31/Rozier are all in play for a future pick, maybe even 12/22/31/Rozier for 8/9.. We'll need roster spots.

My best-case is 4 for Okafor, some kind of trade of 12/22/31/Rozier/Bradley(/Hunter/Mickey) to a team in the 5-8 range, throw max-ish money at, say, Horford and Derozan, go from there. Let Brad coach, win 55 while continuing to grow from within.

Durant is a possibility if he's interested- Barnes if KD goes to Golden State. Pau Gasol, Mozgov also options..

One scenario:

IT/Smart
Derozan/RJ Hunter/(Brown, Hield w/ 5-8 pick?)
Crowder/Turner/Young
Horford/Olynyk/Mickey (Bender, Rabb w/ 5-8 pick?)
Okafor/Zeller/(Pau or Mozgov?)

Or

IT/Smart
Bradley/Turner/Hunter (Brown, Hield)
Durant/Crowder/Young
Horford/Olynyk/Mickey
Pau Gasol/Okafor/Zeller

This summer is huge, though, we either come away from it a 60-win contender with upside or we come away from it a 50ish win team with too many good players but too few great ones.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Looks like if we waive Amir/Jonas, keep holds for Zeller, Sullinger and Turner and added Okafor at 4.7 million and Hield at about 3 million while trading Bradley/Rozier/picks, on July 1st we'd have this:

IT/Smart
Hield/Hunter
Crowder/Young
Olynyk/Mickey
Okafor
Cap holds for Zeller, Sullinger and Turner
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we'd be in the ballpark of about 49 million in cap space. We could offer the full max to Horford & Derozan (who LA likes, and he likes LA) by renouncing Sullinger- or ask each guy to give up a million or two to make the numbers work. You could either go over the cap for trade flexibility by re-signing Zeller and Sullinger with their Bird rights or drop further under the cap by renouncing Zeller, Sullinger and Turner.

Keeping Turner, who we don't have Bird rights for, would be tricky but possible. Could renounce Sully/Zeller and have about 13 million of wiggle room under the cap to try to pay ET and use the rest on a discount big (Hibbert, Mozgov, Pau?).

[Andrew McCeltic]

I don't see Ainge drafting Hield at 4- there's too much possibility with that pick to use it on a shooting guard. But I could see him dealing down from 4, up from 12/23, or in with Bradley/Young/Mickey/Hunter/MEM 1st/BKN 1st to get Buddy..

He just screams Ainge pick, the kind of guy Danny would target because he looks like a 'gamer'.

[Leprechaun18]

Hmm why do people undervalue Bradley? He is our best player, when you consider Defense. Remember how we played when he was out?

[Wes-J]

Everyone is sleeping on Brice Johnson and only because his age. He's going to be a major force in the league. To me he's like Amare Stoudemire. Looking like a nice get for that Dallas pick, I'm taking him over Sabonis and Rabb all day.

[Edug27]

Hmm why do people undervalue Bradley? He is our best player, when you consider Defense. Remember how we played when he was out?

Right. And that's the problem.

[mbsnmisc]

Everyone is sleeping on Brice Johnson and only because his age. He's going to be a major force in the league. To me he's like Amare Stoudemire. Looking like a nice get for that Dallas pick, I'm taking him over Sabonis and Rabb all day.

I see a little Amir in him. I think he plays in the NBA. Our problem, without a major consolidation trade, is roster spots.

[2Mas]

Good overview of the Celtics' draft rights:

http://www.tankathon.com/celtics

I screenshot it, for a better view.

Par, I always appreciate you making me a real lazy mutha*****.

I don't even click links no more. Just keep scrolling & you're gonna hook everyone up. Always killing the quotes & graphics

[Edug27]

Everyone is sleeping on Brice Johnson and only because his age. He's going to be a major force in the league. To me he's like Amare Stoudemire. Looking like a nice get for that Dallas pick, I'm taking him over Sabonis and Rabb all day.

Amare tho?? I've heard comparisons to Taj Gibson, and that sounds pretty accurate.

[Gomes3PC]

I'm not a huge Johnson fan - he is a block chaser and doesn't defend that well at the college level one-on-one. Also lacks the frame to play center like Gibson, which means you've got major spacing issues.

Johnson to me is a poor man's Brandan Wright.

[Wes-J]

I'm not a huge Johnson fan - he is a block chaser and doesn't defend that well at the college level one-on-one. Also lacks the frame to play center like Gibson, which means you've got major spacing issues.

Johnson to me is a poor man's Brandan Wright.

He's come a long way, has a lot to learn, especially on defense but that's commonplace among college kids these days, it's not a major issue if players possess the tools and a willingness to work. No prospect is perfect, he's got skills that can't be taught.

[Zaschrona]

Unless lottery balls get us to top 2, or we don't drop all the way there, I want to possibly trade down with our BKN pick/or trade it for a star (and that is really unlikely, there is nobody worth to trade it for) and at the same time trade up with BOS/other picks up, while keeping DAL pick. Something like 6/7, 12/13 and 15/16 looks like a best possible scenario for us. Or if we go up to top 2, then I would love to see us trading up for NOP pick and so having 2 and 6, even if we would need to take on Asik (who I think he still could be a decent backup in this league), we would be even then able to go after Horford and another big impact FA.

I think Ingram/Simmons are sure top two, I would love to get any of them, even through I would like Ingram much more for us. Then likely goes Bender, Jamal Murray and Brown, don't want any of them, even through J-Brown would be at least a decent fit for us. Maybe even Rabb goes there.

Then in my opinion goes Dunn and Hield in 6 to 8 range, and I would love to get Buddy Hield. In my opinion both Dunn and Hield won't go earlier, unless somebody loves them too much, as they are older than the others. And usually it is about 'potential' in lottery than the current quality - players like Payton, McCollum, Crowder, Draymond Green or Middleton and so on really should go earlier. For me Hield showed he is absolutely NBA ready and for me he looks like a high-floor/solid-potential player. For me Hield's floor is Afflalo, in best case smaller Klay Thompson. I would love to get Hield, he showed a big improvement in every year in college and he would be a great fit for our back court - and I think Ainge loves Hield too - for me Hield is right now the best player we can get from the draft, probably not with the biggest ceiling, but he for sure for me has a potential to be good already in the next season and for me he still even may have All-Star potential, for me he can be 20 PPG shooter in this league, and we could do with a player like that. IT, Bradley, Hield, Smart, Rozier and Hunter is quite a logjam, but perfect amount for small-ball going NBA and we could easily afford to trade one of these guys in a right trade as well.

Then with pick 12/13 I believe we absolutely need to get one bigman, I would love to get for us either Sabonis or Skal (if he declares), would be satisfied even with Rabb or Poeltl, even through I would prefer to not draft Poeltl. But I think we should be 100% able to draft one of these with our DAL pick.

And with pick in 15 to 16 range, we should target as a trade up with our BOS pick, I would absolutely love to get Luwawu, perfect draft and stash candidate, perfect long-term backup to Crowder in my opinion, potential steal of the draft, has all the tools to be two-way player. Thabo Sefolosha is around what I would except from him, could be worse, could be much better than him. Backup option Denzel Valentine who I like for us as a fit - or anybody who falls down, this draft is around 15 to 17 deep for good players for me - Ingram, Simmons, Bender, J. Murray, Brown, Hield, Dunn, Rabb, Sabonis, Skal, Poeltl, D. Murray, Ellenson, D. Davis, Luwawu, Valentine, undecided about Davis and Korkmaz.

With our picks in 2nd round - I would try to use them to move up in this draft together with J-Young or to trade them away for some picks in next drafts. I don't love any stash candidates than Luwawu, but if there are no other options, I think we could do with stashing a few Euros.

If we can get Hield, Skal and Luwawu, I would be super-happy. Sign Horford and one of Durant/Parsons/Batum/Barnes or Evan Turner, then re-sign Sully and Zeller...

IT/Smart/Rozier
Bradley/Hield/Hunter
Durant/Crowder/Luwawu
Crowder/Olynyk/Mickey
Horford/Sully/Zeller/Skal

[Gant]

Notes from 4 mocks drafts; Chad Ford and Kevin Pelton (3/24), DX (3/27), NBAdraft.net (3/24), Tankathon:

DX has Ingram and Simmons 1 and 2. The other three have it flip flopped- Simmons 1 and Ingram 2.

Hield: DX 7, Ford 7, T 5, NBAd 3
Jaylen Brown goes 4 to 10.
Bender 3 to 6.
Ford has Ellenson 5th while NBAdraft.net has him 16th. Ford also has Korkmaz high at 9 and Chriss high at 6. (The Ford picks only go top 10 on the link below.)
Jamal Murray has a narrow range of 3 to 6.
Dunn 4 or 5 except Ford 8.
Skal 10 to 16.
Deyonta Davis late lottery except NBAdraft.net who seems to have him in 2017.
Poetl 8 to 11, and not in Ford's top ten.
Sabonis T 20, NBAd 9, DX 19, Ford out of top ten.
Chriss T 21, NBAd 17, DX 15, Ford 6.
Centers whose names start with Z: mostly late first round.

Conclusions: Ingram and Simmons are locked at the top. Bender, Murray and Dunn go high. Hield seems to keep rising up and up. Everything else is wide open and changing.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2016/
http://www.nbadraft.net/2016mock_draft
http://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2627331-nba-mock-draft-2016-espns-chad-ford-and-kevin-peltons-latest-top-10

[threrf23]

Not that we have good use for a PG, but I kinda like Demetrius Jackson at some point in the first round. He has shown excellent composure in the tourney and he looks automatic when finishing around the rim.

What is Hield's best NBA comparison? I am inclined to go with Michael Redd. Redd didn't shoot the trey as well in college, but was looking forward to his third NBA season at the same age (and had become a good shooter).

[Gomes3PC]

I'm not a huge Johnson fan - he is a block chaser and doesn't defend that well at the college level one-on-one. Also lacks the frame to play center like Gibson, which means you've got major spacing issues.

Johnson to me is a poor man's Brandan Wright.

He's come a long way, has a lot to learn, especially on defense but that's commonplace among college kids these days, it's not a major issue if players possess the tools and a willingness to work. No prospect is perfect, he's got skills that can't be taught.

It might be commonplace for a freshman to not have defensive awareness, but a 23 year old senior should dominate defensively and that is not remotely how I would characterize Johnson.

[Gomes3PC]

Not that we have good use for a PG, but I kinda like Demetrius Jackson at some point in the first round. He has shown excellent composure in the tourney and he looks automatic when finishing around the rim.

What is Hield's best NBA comparison? I am inclined to go with Michael Redd. Redd didn't shoot the trey as well in college, but was looking forward to his third NBA season at the same age (and had become a good shooter).

Jackson is very interesting to me. "Rides the elevator" with his ability to get to the rim. Very quick, natural leaper helps offset some of his size issues. He's also developed into a pretty good facilitator, though nobody will confuse him with CP3.

He's not my first choice with that Mavs pick but we could do a lot worse. He frankly fits the mold of a guard Ainge loves - hyper-athletic, defensive ability, not a true PG but when you squint you can see one. If the C's took a big/wing with the Nets pick, then Jackson, then used the rest of their picks for project/stash players, I'd be OK with that. Only challenge is Jackson and Rozier are more or less the same type of player - Jackson shoots better, Rozier is a bit more athletic.

[Celtsfan1980]

We have one of the bottom 10 rosters in the league when it comes to talent.

Considering some players with potential get virtually no playing time how do we know this?

[celticfan42487]

Hmm why do people undervalue Bradley? He is our best player, when you consider Defense. Remember how we played when he was out?

Right. And that's the problem.

He's a solid to good starting SG.

But unless Ainge is complete **** at drafting, you have to assume one of Smart, Young, Rozier, and RJ Hunter can reach that level.

But right now Bradley is the only one with any value. So he's the only one that would go out in trades.

That and... we have a log jam at SG with players we've drafted.