Odd Man Out??? - Hunter Waived; Young Stays

[Ed Pinkney]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=z4x7sjf


Sorted.

[Cuban Pete]

their shooting appears to be about equal, their d appears to be about equally bad, young has the athletic advantage, hunter has the IQ advantage, hunter has the passion advantage, hunter has the passing advantage by a landslide(which i'm a sucker for). i'd keep hunter

How is the shooting and defense equal? Hunter played SL with a sore wrist. The rookie samples were too small. Yes, his 3pt shooting regressed in his junior season at Georgia St, but he was a marked man. It didn't stop him from averaging 21.3 Pts/40min. His freshman and sophomore seasons were excellent. That means more than his junior year. Young has been a poor shooter since his freshman season. Scouts loved his mechanics when he was at Kentucky, but it didn't translate in a full season (34.9% 3s, 70.6% FT). Hunter's career 3pt% was 35.4% and FT% of 85.3. FT% is actually a better indicator for shooting skill. As for D and athleticism, Hunter's career Steal and Block Rates were 3.4 and 3.4 respectively. Young's were 1.4 and 0.6. This was why I almost punched a wall when Young's name was announced. There were no indications of defensive and shooting prowess from this guy. It's no surprise that he's been an utter bust thus far.

[radcot]

their shooting appears to be about equal, their d appears to be about equally bad, young has the athletic advantage, hunter has the IQ advantage, hunter has the passion advantage, hunter has the passing advantage by a landslide(which i'm a sucker for). i'd keep hunter

How is the shooting and defense equal? Hunter played SL with a sore wrist. The rookie samples were too small. Yes, his 3pt shooting regressed in his junior season at Georgia St, but he was a marked man. It didn't stop him from averaging 21.3 Pts/40min. His freshman and sophomore seasons were excellent. That means more than his junior year. Young has been a poor shooter since his freshman season. Scouts loved his mechanics when he was at Kentucky, but it didn't translate one in a full season (34.9% 3s, 70.6% FT). Hunter's career 3pt% was 35.4% and FT% of 85.3. FT% is actually a better indicator for shooting skill. As for D and athleticism, Hunter's career Steal and Block Rates were 3.4 and 3.4 respectively. Young's were 1.4 and 0.6. This was why I almost punched a wall when Young's name was announced. There were no indications of defensive and shooting prowess from this guy. It's no surprise that he's been an utter bust thus far.

--can't say I a have a strong feeling about which of the two we should keep. I sort of like them both in different ways, but clearly at least one of them has to go. Must say you make a good case for keeping BJ. And then there's the contract issue in BJ's favor as well.

[ddb]

I say bye to Young. Keep Bentil. Keep Hunter. Young is terrible and looks like he is on drugs and partying alot.

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[radcot]

Can't keep Hunter & Bentil unless somebody besides Young goes (i.e. Jackson, Mickey, or Green.) Don't see that happening. After tonight's game, I'm beginning to wonder whether EITHER Young or Hunter deserves to make the team.


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[smith2373]

Can't keep Hunter & Bentil unless somebody besides Young goes (i.e. Jackson, Mickey, or Green.) Don't see that happening. After tonight's game, I'm beginning to wonder whether EITHER Young or Hunter deserves to make the team.


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I think Ainge shops both and whoever can fetch a better package, if at all gets shipped out

[ddb]

Can't keep Hunter & Bentil unless somebody besides Young goes (i.e. Jackson, Mickey, or Green.) Don't see that happening. After tonight's game, I'm beginning to wonder whether EITHER Young or Hunter deserves to make the team.


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Maybe Danny can pull off a Young, Mickey, Hunter for Player X type deal. Nothing major....just pure consolidation.

Find a shooter.

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[Disinformation]

Can't keep Hunter & Bentil unless somebody besides Young goes (i.e. Jackson, Mickey, or Green.) Don't see that happening. After tonight's game, I'm beginning to wonder whether EITHER Young or Hunter deserves to make the team.


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Maybe Danny can pull off a Young, Mickey, Hunter for Player X type deal. Nothing major....just pure consolidation.

Find a shooter.

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Or a big whose at least marginally useful so Zeller can rack up DNPs while he waits to get traded.

[Parliament10]

Can't keep Hunter & Bentil unless somebody besides Young goes (i.e. Jackson, Mickey, or Green.) Don't see that happening. After tonight's game, I'm beginning to wonder whether EITHER Young or Hunter deserves to make the team.


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Maybe Danny can pull off a Young, Mickey, Hunter for Player X type deal. Nothing major....just pure consolidation.

Find a shooter.

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Or a big whose at least marginally useful so Zeller can rack up DNPs while he waits to get traded.

Hunter is looking to be more the option. He can play a little PG. -- With that, I don't think we need Jackson, at all.

Thomas / Rozier / Jackson
Bradley / Smart / Hunter
Crowder / Green / Young
Amir J. / Brown / Jerebko / Bentil
Horford / Olynyk / Mickey / Zeller

Trade: Jackson, Young, Bentil = For a Shooter, or for no one.
Or even: Jackson, Hunter, Young, Bentil = For a Shooter.

Too bad we can't Trade Zeller now.
I say get it at 14 players, and showcase some D-Leaguers (Starting in January).


This is looking more like our core. Fill it in from there.:

Thomas / Rozier /
Bradley / Smart /
Crowder / Brown / Green
Jerebko / Johnson / Mickey
Horford / Olynyk /

[ryaningf]

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Ran across this article on reddit, gist of which is: keep both Hunter and Young and jettison either Zeller or Green because a.) they won't be on the team next year anyway; b.) they aren't going to play much c.) we're going to need young depth at the 2/3 starting next year because 2017/2018 is the last year we can maintain the kind of directional flexibility we've held since 2013; and d.) one of Hunter/Young is bound to be a rotation player.

My thoughts: I'd keep Green this season because a.) he keeps everyone loose and b.) I think he's going to win us a few regular season games with his burst scoring (he'll do nothing in the playoffs, however). Zeller, on the other hand, is human ballast. Can't cut him, but I'd try hard to trade him in the next 2 weeks.

If that fails, you cut Young based on his body of work.

Big Game Hunter deserves a chance to hunt. It was only SL, but the night he went toe-to-toe with Devin Booker was pretty exciting.

[ddb]

I keep Green 100%. He is a veteran wing scorer that has matured alot on the court since we last saw him in a Celts uniform. I think he will add alot to this team

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Edit: It doesn't say much. Danny knows that all of them are NBA players, so he would like to trade a player instead of cutting one. Return won't be much. It's not a two man race between Hunter and Young. (He's lying)

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[ddb]

Damn. James Young is lighting it up right now against BK. Kid wants to make the team.

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[ConstableGeneva]

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Ran across this article on reddit, gist of which is: keep both Hunter and Young and jettison either Zeller or Green because a.) they won't be on the team next year anyway; b.) they aren't going to play much c.) we're going to need young depth at the 2/3 starting next year because 2017/2018 is the last year we can maintain the kind of directional flexibility we've held since 2013; and d.) one of Hunter/Young is bound to be a rotation player.

My thoughts: I'd keep Green this season because a.) he keeps everyone loose and b.) I think he's going to win us a few regular season games with his burst scoring (he'll do nothing in the playoffs, however). Zeller, on the other hand, is human ballast. Can't cut him, but I'd try hard to trade him in the next 2 weeks.

If that fails, you cut Young based on his body of work.

Big Game Hunter deserves a chance to hunt. It was only SL, but the night he went toe-to-toe with Devin Booker was pretty exciting.

You can''t trade Zeller until midseason. It would just be stupid to have given Jackson that contract and not keep him especially the way he has played. I think Bentil's contact was designed to make it easy for him to go to Maine for the year and maybe get a late season call up or come back to camp a year from now.

Based on Pre Season I would go with Young he seems more ready to contribute and is a more talented player with a higher upside than Hunter. I liked both players coming out and Young has been a disappointment to this point and the effort and attitude stuff may be more than what can be made up with a good preseason. My guess is that Hunter probably has more trade value because of the extra year of control and that may be more important than who Ainge or Stevens wants to keep.

[sam_I_am]

I can't get too fired up about who we should keep as they become candidate #1 to get cut next year after draft and free agency.

Zeller the player is my first choice but his contract stays because any trade for max contract at deadline is easier with Zeller, Jerebko, Amir expiring deals.

Bentyl is gone and little risk of losing him to another team so hopefully he goes to Maine.

Hunter vs. Young. Who has a chance to be a player we regret losing? Young. Who is more likely to stick around NBA and still be a bench player for next 10 years? Hunter. Assuming no trade happens simple decision - cut Hunter.

Young looked like a bust for 2 years but has made a big leap and is still younger. Of the two, he is the only one who actually can shoot. Hunter has character, savvy, all around game, defensive potential.... but he isn't making shots.

[cl2117]

Young looked like a bust for 2 years but has made a big leap and is still younger. Of the two, he is the only one who actually can shoot. Hunter has character, savvy, all around game, defensive potential.... but he isn't making shots.

I can't imagine how you can say Young is making a big leap when he got benched in SL. He's as bad as ever, maybe a slight improvement.

I agree Young has more potential overall, but no way he reaches any of it on his current contract. RJ on the other hand has a lower ceiling, but is more likely to actually contribute on this rookie contract (albeit in a very minor way), plus he's had better shooting overall since he got here than Young.

It's an easy choice for me at this point, hope Ainge agrees (not that it'll actually make much of a difference since you're right they're likely at the top of the chopping block next summer).