Kawhi update thread 2.0

[jcappy]

One thing is certain, players like Leonard and Irving are most probably not going to stay put unless they go to their preferred destination. Both almost certainly are one-year rentals for Boston and SA. So any trade should be one for the other... no draft picks added unless our own next year one or some other high first pick we have. The Sac pick should be off the boards in a one year rental.

Why is Kyrie a one year rental? That’s total fabrication

I think Irving is less likely to stay in SA than Leonard is in Boston. We already have many indications that he might not resign here so why to hell wd he resign in that dead end city? He seems to want either NY or LA.

[Parliament10]

Can we actually S&T Monroe into this Deal?

If so, Take him!!!
Add some Picks.

[Homerclease]

One thing is certain, players like Leonard and Irving are most probably not going to stay put unless they go to their preferred destination. Both almost certainly are one-year rentals for Boston and SA. So any trade should be one for the other... no draft picks added unless our own next year one or some other high first pick we have. The Sac pick should be off the boards in a one year rental.

Why is Kyrie a one year rental? That’s total fabrication

I think Irving is less likely to stay in SA than Leonard is in Boston. We already have many indications that he might not resign here so why to hell wd he resign in that dead end city? He seems to want either NY or LA.

I’m confused, are you saying we’re dealing Kyrie for Kawhi in this scenario or that Kyrie is going to walk from Boston along with Kawhi

[K For Three]

The Irving trade stuff just boggles my mind the last few weeks. It's as if the media and half of Celtics fans are trying to run him out of town for reasons I can't explain. If healthy he is one of the elite scorers and proven finals performers in the entire league. I absolutely am dead set on losing Irving for many reasons and not just being a fan of his, it makes no logical sense to me unless he himself wanted to leave.

Simply put, if you make a deal for Kawhi; you need a healthy motivated Leonard AND Irving to have a shot to beat Golden State in a 7 game series. Both would be motivated in contract years. And I said "a shot". You need stars to beat the Warriors. Multiple. You need to bank on Tatum too becoming this great star fans believe he is on his way to becoming. He would need a second year jump. You need Gordon to become the old Gordon sometime this season or at least 85% of the old Gordon.

You would need Kawhi, Kyrie, Tatum, Hayward healthy, a motivated Horford and then a few others to step up to try and steal a series vs. Golden State with preferably home court. If you could add in Kawhi and keep all those guys then Danny is a genius.

GS is no joke and is one of the top teams of all time and might even be better next season, hell nothing anyone might come up with in Boston or LA or Philly may even be able to win a title until that team declines since GS is still a young enough team if they stay healthy and together.

Sometimes I wonder if risking more roster shuffling is even worth it, roster continuity for Brad will eventually become important. Team chemistry IS important. If anything with Kawhi happens you also have to hope he gets along with the current group and doesn't pull anything here too.

I think you would have to trade Hayward to make this happen though. The only reason I say that is because of the cap situation. You simply wouldnt be able to afford a team with Kyrie/Kawhi/Hayward/Horford after next season. Now if you can get clear of Hayward's contract then I think you can make it work, with Horford's deal coming off the books the same time Brown is up for extension. But there would just be no way to resign Kyrie and Kawhi next summer if Hayward's contract is still on the books.

I am going to sound like a mega jerk, but sometimes I wonder if the Celtics sign Gordon Hayward if they had known how good Tatum/Brown would become this past season.

I mean I do like Hayward a lot but sometimes I do wonder if we have always been kinda stuck with him due to his past relationship with Brad?

Then again why feel bad for talking like this about Hayward when real gm, the media and most out there take a dump on a proven champion like Kyrie Irving on a daily basis?

Both Hayward/Horford make A TON of money from the Celtics but they get this big pass. But Kyrie doesn't since he is the weirdo who never says what people want to hear and he apparently has this mythical desire to play and star for the Knicks or Spurs or Suns or the Flat Earth basketball team.

I also keep hearing Kyrie got hurt last year when actually he didn't get hurt. He got the hardware removed from a previous surgery. Sure he could get hurt again but who can't?

Klay even mentioned how it as easier not having Kyrie around this finals. But yeah lets go dump him and hope Rozier or Smart can score 30+ a game vs. the Splash Brothers when they can't even handle a game 7 at home vs. a bad Cavs team.

Kyrie kinda gets the Kobe treatment at times by fans/media. The love or hate relationship. It's kinda odd in general.

[Duke4life831]

The Irving trade stuff just boggles my mind the last few weeks. It's as if the media and half of Celtics fans are trying to run him out of town for reasons I can't explain. If healthy he is one of the elite scorers and proven finals performers in the entire league. I absolutely am dead set on losing Irving for many reasons and not just being a fan of his, it makes no logical sense to me unless he himself wanted to leave.

Simply put, if you make a deal for Kawhi; you need a healthy motivated Leonard AND Irving to have a shot to beat Golden State in a 7 game series. Both would be motivated in contract years. And I said "a shot". You need stars to beat the Warriors. Multiple. You need to bank on Tatum too becoming this great star fans believe he is on his way to becoming. He would need a second year jump. You need Gordon to become the old Gordon sometime this season or at least 85% of the old Gordon.

You would need Kawhi, Kyrie, Tatum, Hayward healthy, a motivated Horford and then a few others to step up to try and steal a series vs. Golden State with preferably home court. If you could add in Kawhi and keep all those guys then Danny is a genius.

GS is no joke and is one of the top teams of all time and might even be better next season, hell nothing anyone might come up with in Boston or LA or Philly may even be able to win a title until that team declines since GS is still a young enough team if they stay healthy and together.

Sometimes I wonder if risking more roster shuffling is even worth it, roster continuity for Brad will eventually become important. Team chemistry IS important. If anything with Kawhi happens you also have to hope he gets along with the current group and doesn't pull anything here too.

I think you would have to trade Hayward to make this happen though. The only reason I say that is because of the cap situation. You simply wouldnt be able to afford a team with Kyrie/Kawhi/Hayward/Horford after next season. Now if you can get clear of Hayward's contract then I think you can make it work, with Horford's deal coming off the books the same time Brown is up for extension. But there would just be no way to resign Kyrie and Kawhi next summer if Hayward's contract is still on the books.

As I've said before, Kawhi and Hayward can't be traded for straight up, the Spurs would actually have to add more than just Kawhi. I don't love deal on the Celtics' end for various reasons such as optics and what not, but I don't see how the Spurs love that either.

Looking back I should have been more clear. Im not saying trade Hayward for Kawhi, Im saying Hayward would need to be traded by the end of next season/summer. The cap would become a massive issue next summer when trying to resign both Kawhi and Kyrie with Hayward's and Horford's contract on the table.

Assuming you trade Brown+picks and salary filler for Kawhi. I think you get the 1 season of Kyrie/Hayward/Kawhi/Tatum/Horford. But after that youre either going to have to let one of Kyrie/Kawhi walk in free agency or move Hayward. So you would esentially have Kyrie/Kawhi/Tatum as your core for the next 5 years. Not saying thats a horrible scenario. Just saying the cap with Hayward wont work past next season.

[Homerclease]

The Irving trade stuff just boggles my mind the last few weeks. It's as if the media and half of Celtics fans are trying to run him out of town for reasons I can't explain. If healthy he is one of the elite scorers and proven finals performers in the entire league. I absolutely am dead set on losing Irving for many reasons and not just being a fan of his, it makes no logical sense to me unless he himself wanted to leave.

Simply put, if you make a deal for Kawhi; you need a healthy motivated Leonard AND Irving to have a shot to beat Golden State in a 7 game series. Both would be motivated in contract years. And I said "a shot". You need stars to beat the Warriors. Multiple. You need to bank on Tatum too becoming this great star fans believe he is on his way to becoming. He would need a second year jump. You need Gordon to become the old Gordon sometime this season or at least 85% of the old Gordon.

You would need Kawhi, Kyrie, Tatum, Hayward healthy, a motivated Horford and then a few others to step up to try and steal a series vs. Golden State with preferably home court. If you could add in Kawhi and keep all those guys then Danny is a genius.

GS is no joke and is one of the top teams of all time and might even be better next season, hell nothing anyone might come up with in Boston or LA or Philly may even be able to win a title until that team declines since GS is still a young enough team if they stay healthy and together.

Sometimes I wonder if risking more roster shuffling is even worth it, roster continuity for Brad will eventually become important. Team chemistry IS important. If anything with Kawhi happens you also have to hope he gets along with the current group and doesn't pull anything here too.

I think you would have to trade Hayward to make this happen though. The only reason I say that is because of the cap situation. You simply wouldnt be able to afford a team with Kyrie/Kawhi/Hayward/Horford after next season. Now if you can get clear of Hayward's contract then I think you can make it work, with Horford's deal coming off the books the same time Brown is up for extension. But there would just be no way to resign Kyrie and Kawhi next summer if Hayward's contract is still on the books.

I am going to sound like a mega jerk, but sometimes I wonder if the Celtics sign Gordon Hayward if they had known how good Tatum/Brown would become this past season.

I mean I do like Hayward a lot but sometimes I do wonder if we have always been kinda stuck with him due to his past relationship with Brad?

Then again why feel bad for talking like this about Hayward when real gm, the media and most out there take a dump on a proven champion like Kyrie Irving on a daily basis?

Both Hayward/Horford make A TON of money from the Celtics but they get this big pass. But Kyrie doesn't since he is the weirdo who never says what people want to hear and he apparently has this mythical desire to play and star for the Knicks or Spurs or Suns or the Flat Earth basketball team.

I also keep hearing Kyrie got hurt last year when actually he didn't get hurt. He got the hardware removed from a previous surgery. Sure he could get hurt again but who can't?

Klay even mentioned how it as easier not having Kyrie around this finals. But yeah lets go dump him and hope Rozier or Smart can score 30+ a game vs. the Splash Brothers when they can't even handle a game 7 at home vs. a bad Cavs team.

Kyrie kinda gets the Kobe treatment at times by fans/media. The love or hate relationship. It's kinda odd in general.

Hayward has become criminally underrated on these forums over the past year. He’s a far superior player to Tatum and Brown at this point.

[canman1971]

Celtics are not dealing Kyrie. I just don’t see it. Not sure why people are so obsessed within doing something drastic. Picture this, the Celtics were one win away from the finals and now they have a chance to sign Gordon Hayward and Kyrie Irving. Not a bad place to be.

[K For Three]

I think you would have to trade Hayward to make this happen though. The only reason I say that is because of the cap situation. You simply wouldnt be able to afford a team with Kyrie/Kawhi/Hayward/Horford after next season. Now if you can get clear of Hayward's contract then I think you can make it work, with Horford's deal coming off the books the same time Brown is up for extension. But there would just be no way to resign Kyrie and Kawhi next summer if Hayward's contract is still on the books.

As I've said before, Kawhi and Hayward can't be traded for straight up, the Spurs would actually have to add more than just Kawhi. I don't love deal on the Celtics' end for various reasons such as optics and what not, but I don't see how the Spurs love that either.

Looking back I should have been more clear. Im not saying trade Hayward for Kawhi, Im saying Hayward would need to be traded by the end of next season/summer. The cap would become a massive issue next summer when trying to resign both Kawhi and Kyrie with Hayward's and Horford's contract on the table.

Assuming you trade Brown+picks and salary filler for Kawhi. I think you get the 1 season of Kyrie/Hayward/Kawhi/Tatum/Horford. But after that youre either going to have to let one of Kyrie/Kawhi walk in free agency or move Hayward. So you would esentially have Kyrie/Kawhi/Tatum as your core for the next 5 years. Not saying thats a horrible scenario. Just saying the cap with Hayward wont work past next season.

If Tatum makes the big jump in year 2 and becomes an established all star caliber player; having a big 3 of Irving/Leonard/Tatum is pretty damn good for a little while. Of course health being a big factor in there too but I didn't think Gordon Hayward would ever get hurt and look what happened lol.

Tatum though impresses me since he is the only one who showed me in game 7 he ISN'T afraid of those big moments. But that Cavs team is crap sadly......sometimes I think the entire east sadly might have been this past season.

[jcappy]

Why is Kyrie a one year rental? That’s total fabrication

I think Irving is less likely to stay in SA than Leonard is in Boston. We already have many indications that he might not resign here so why to hell wd he resign in that dead end city? He seems to want either NY or LA.

I’m confused, are you saying we’re dealing Kyrie for Kawhi in this scenario or that Kyrie is going to walk from Boston along with Kawhi

I'm saying if they're traded for each other now, both will most likely leave their new team in 2019. Both players, by all reports, have strong preferences as to where they want to play, and will be motivated to do just that once they're free agents.

[K For Three]

I think you would have to trade Hayward to make this happen though. The only reason I say that is because of the cap situation. You simply wouldnt be able to afford a team with Kyrie/Kawhi/Hayward/Horford after next season. Now if you can get clear of Hayward's contract then I think you can make it work, with Horford's deal coming off the books the same time Brown is up for extension. But there would just be no way to resign Kyrie and Kawhi next summer if Hayward's contract is still on the books.

I am going to sound like a mega jerk, but sometimes I wonder if the Celtics sign Gordon Hayward if they had known how good Tatum/Brown would become this past season.

I mean I do like Hayward a lot but sometimes I do wonder if we have always been kinda stuck with him due to his past relationship with Brad?

Then again why feel bad for talking like this about Hayward when real gm, the media and most out there take a dump on a proven champion like Kyrie Irving on a daily basis?

Both Hayward/Horford make A TON of money from the Celtics but they get this big pass. But Kyrie doesn't since he is the weirdo who never says what people want to hear and he apparently has this mythical desire to play and star for the Knicks or Spurs or Suns or the Flat Earth basketball team.

I also keep hearing Kyrie got hurt last year when actually he didn't get hurt. He got the hardware removed from a previous surgery. Sure he could get hurt again but who can't?

Klay even mentioned how it as easier not having Kyrie around this finals. But yeah lets go dump him and hope Rozier or Smart can score 30+ a game vs. the Splash Brothers when they can't even handle a game 7 at home vs. a bad Cavs team.

Kyrie kinda gets the Kobe treatment at times by fans/media. The love or hate relationship. It's kinda odd in general.

Hayward has become criminally underrated on these forums over the past year. He’s a far superior player to Tatum and Brown at this point.

I like Hayward, I just never watched a lot of Utah (who does?). I just worry about him post injury but am hopeful he will be fine.

Hayward I agree if he can be his old self again sometime this year is a superior player but most seem convinced Tatum is headed to the HOF already.

[Homerclease]

I think Irving is less likely to stay in SA than Leonard is in Boston. We already have many indications that he might not resign here so why to hell wd he resign in that dead end city? He seems to want either NY or LA.

I’m confused, are you saying we’re dealing Kyrie for Kawhi in this scenario or that Kyrie is going to walk from Boston along with Kawhi

I'm saying if they're traded for each other now, both will most likely leave their new team in 2019. Both players, by all reports, have strong preferences as to where they want to play, and will be motivated to do just that once they're free agents.

Oh, in that case yeah I agree, I doubt Kyrie re-ups in SA but I don’t think the Celtics are looking to move Kyrie. If they are moving on Kawhi it’s to play with Kyrie, not to swap them

[K For Three]

I think Irving is less likely to stay in SA than Leonard is in Boston. We already have many indications that he might not resign here so why to hell wd he resign in that dead end city? He seems to want either NY or LA.

I’m confused, are you saying we’re dealing Kyrie for Kawhi in this scenario or that Kyrie is going to walk from Boston along with Kawhi

I'm saying if they're traded for each other now, both will most likely leave their new team in 2019. Both players, by all reports, have strong preferences as to where they want to play, and will be motivated to do just that once they're free agents.

Neither one has out right even said they are bolting somewhere. All we go by is media blah blah blah blah blah. Of course Irving may leave or Leonard and who the hell knows?

It does help too if we express some sort of desire as fans to keep Irving here.....never hurts.......

[Parliament10]

I think you would have to trade Hayward to make this happen though. The only reason I say that is because of the cap situation. You simply wouldnt be able to afford a team with Kyrie/Kawhi/Hayward/Horford after next season. Now if you can get clear of Hayward's contract then I think you can make it work, with Horford's deal coming off the books the same time Brown is up for extension. But there would just be no way to resign Kyrie and Kawhi next summer if Hayward's contract is still on the books.

I am going to sound like a mega jerk, but sometimes I wonder if the Celtics sign Gordon Hayward if they had known how good Tatum/Brown would become this past season.

I mean I do like Hayward a lot but sometimes I do wonder if we have always been kinda stuck with him due to his past relationship with Brad?

Then again why feel bad for talking like this about Hayward when real gm, the media and most out there take a dump on a proven champion like Kyrie Irving on a daily basis?

Both Hayward/Horford make A TON of money from the Celtics but they get this big pass. But Kyrie doesn't since he is the weirdo who never says what people want to hear and he apparently has this mythical desire to play and star for the Knicks or Spurs or Suns or the Flat Earth basketball team.

I also keep hearing Kyrie got hurt last year when actually he didn't get hurt. He got the hardware removed from a previous surgery. Sure he could get hurt again but who can't?

Klay even mentioned how it as easier not having Kyrie around this finals. But yeah lets go dump him and hope Rozier or Smart can score 30+ a game vs. the Splash Brothers when they can't even handle a game 7 at home vs. a bad Cavs team.

Kyrie kinda gets the Kobe treatment at times by fans/media. The love or hate relationship. It's kinda odd in general.

Hayward has become criminally underrated on these forums over the past year. He’s a far superior player to Tatum and Brown at this point.

I gotta Agree with that.
Last year (2016-17) Hayward was .471 FG% -- .398 3P% -- .844 FT%

[jcappy]

I’m confused, are you saying we’re dealing Kyrie for Kawhi in this scenario or that Kyrie is going to walk from Boston along with Kawhi

I'm saying if they're traded for each other now, both will most likely leave their new team in 2019. Both players, by all reports, have strong preferences as to where they want to play, and will be motivated to do just that once they're free agents.

Neither one has out right even said they are bolting somewhere. All we go by is media blah blah blah blah blah. Of course Irving may leave or Leonard and who the hell knows?

It does help too if we express some sort of desire as fans to keep Irving here.....never hurts.......

I do think Irving could stay here long term, but if he goes to SA, I think he would bolt. To me Leonard has made it more clear that he wants to be in LA (either team).

[K For Three]

I am going to sound like a mega jerk, but sometimes I wonder if the Celtics sign Gordon Hayward if they had known how good Tatum/Brown would become this past season.

I mean I do like Hayward a lot but sometimes I do wonder if we have always been kinda stuck with him due to his past relationship with Brad?

Then again why feel bad for talking like this about Hayward when real gm, the media and most out there take a dump on a proven champion like Kyrie Irving on a daily basis?

Both Hayward/Horford make A TON of money from the Celtics but they get this big pass. But Kyrie doesn't since he is the weirdo who never says what people want to hear and he apparently has this mythical desire to play and star for the Knicks or Spurs or Suns or the Flat Earth basketball team.

I also keep hearing Kyrie got hurt last year when actually he didn't get hurt. He got the hardware removed from a previous surgery. Sure he could get hurt again but who can't?

Klay even mentioned how it as easier not having Kyrie around this finals. But yeah lets go dump him and hope Rozier or Smart can score 30+ a game vs. the Splash Brothers when they can't even handle a game 7 at home vs. a bad Cavs team.

Kyrie kinda gets the Kobe treatment at times by fans/media. The love or hate relationship. It's kinda odd in general.

Hayward has become criminally underrated on these forums over the past year. He’s a far superior player to Tatum and Brown at this point.

I gotta Agree with that.
Last year (2016-17) Hayward was .471 FG% -- .398 3P% -- .844 FT%

But it makes no sense from a roster stand point either to add Leonard to the team and lose Irving and weaken at guard considerably (could still lose Smart as well) and then have all these tall dudes who have to share the ball out there.

Also, Danny absolutely LOVES Kyrie Irving's game. Ever since he was like 17/18. He gave up the Nets pick for him. I think it's going to take something pretty drastic for Danny to move Irving. I just don't see it and all this fan and media stuff happening.

I will eat major major crow and be pretty let down if Kyrie was moved but I really doubt it happens.

[Banks2Pierce]

I just feel that bringing in Kawhi and losing Kyrie doesn’t make us that much stronger or closer to Golden State tbh.

It really does, though. I love Kyrie, but he's not on the same level as Kawhi.

[Parliament10]

Celtics are not dealing Kyrie. I just don’t see it. Not sure why people are so obsessed within doing something drastic. Picture this, the Celtics were one win away from the finals and now they have a chance to sign Gordon Hayward and Kyrie Irving. Not a bad place to be.

Exactly.

All-Star caliber Line-up
Irving
Kawhi (Brown)
Hayward
Tatum
Horford

[Duke4life831]

The Irving trade stuff just boggles my mind the last few weeks. It's as if the media and half of Celtics fans are trying to run him out of town for reasons I can't explain. If healthy he is one of the elite scorers and proven finals performers in the entire league. I absolutely am dead set on losing Irving for many reasons and not just being a fan of his, it makes no logical sense to me unless he himself wanted to leave.

Simply put, if you make a deal for Kawhi; you need a healthy motivated Leonard AND Irving to have a shot to beat Golden State in a 7 game series. Both would be motivated in contract years. And I said "a shot". You need stars to beat the Warriors. Multiple. You need to bank on Tatum too becoming this great star fans believe he is on his way to becoming. He would need a second year jump. You need Gordon to become the old Gordon sometime this season or at least 85% of the old Gordon.

You would need Kawhi, Kyrie, Tatum, Hayward healthy, a motivated Horford and then a few others to step up to try and steal a series vs. Golden State with preferably home court. If you could add in Kawhi and keep all those guys then Danny is a genius.

GS is no joke and is one of the top teams of all time and might even be better next season, hell nothing anyone might come up with in Boston or LA or Philly may even be able to win a title until that team declines since GS is still a young enough team if they stay healthy and together.

Sometimes I wonder if risking more roster shuffling is even worth it, roster continuity for Brad will eventually become important. Team chemistry IS important. If anything with Kawhi happens you also have to hope he gets along with the current group and doesn't pull anything here too.

I think you would have to trade Hayward to make this happen though. The only reason I say that is because of the cap situation. You simply wouldnt be able to afford a team with Kyrie/Kawhi/Hayward/Horford after next season. Now if you can get clear of Hayward's contract then I think you can make it work, with Horford's deal coming off the books the same time Brown is up for extension. But there would just be no way to resign Kyrie and Kawhi next summer if Hayward's contract is still on the books.

I am going to sound like a mega jerk, but sometimes I wonder if the Celtics sign Gordon Hayward if they had known how good Tatum/Brown would become this past season.

I mean I do like Hayward a lot but sometimes I do wonder if we have always been kinda stuck with him due to his past relationship with Brad?

Then again why feel bad for talking like this about Hayward when real gm, the media and most out there take a dump on a proven champion like Kyrie Irving on a daily basis?

Both Hayward/Horford make A TON of money from the Celtics but they get this big pass. But Kyrie doesn't since he is the weirdo who never says what people want to hear and he apparently has this mythical desire to play and star for the Knicks or Spurs or Suns or the Flat Earth basketball team.

I also keep hearing Kyrie got hurt last year when actually he didn't get hurt. He got the hardware removed from a previous surgery. Sure he could get hurt again but who can't?

Klay even mentioned how it as easier not having Kyrie around this finals. But yeah lets go dump him and hope Rozier or Smart can score 30+ a game vs. the Splash Brothers when they can't even handle a game 7 at home vs. a bad Cavs team.

Kyrie kinda gets the Kobe treatment at times by fans/media. The love or hate relationship. It's kinda odd in general.

Living in Denver for the past 3-4 years I got to see a ton of Denver and Utah games. Two players I wasnt sold on initially were Jokic and Hayward. I heard a lot of hype from Jokic after his rookie year and a couple months into his 2nd year, so I finally decided to start watching Denver games and now Im one of Jokic's biggest cheerleaders.

The same goes for Hayward. Of course I knew of Hayward when he was in college but I was never really sold on him as a pro. But man that changed once I started watch Utah's games on a regular basis. He doesnt have a hole in his game, he is at least good in basically every aspect of the game and is very good in the scoring aspect. Last year's playoffs should put away any doubt anyone has for Hayward, the dude was elite. I think Hayward is in the same group as PG13 and Butler, if I were to rank them I would go Hayward, Butler then PG. He has really flown under the radar when it comes to national coverage, but assuming he comes back to the same level player he was before. I think youre going to be very surprised at the level of player he is.

[K For Three]

I'm saying if they're traded for each other now, both will most likely leave their new team in 2019. Both players, by all reports, have strong preferences as to where they want to play, and will be motivated to do just that once they're free agents.

Neither one has out right even said they are bolting somewhere. All we go by is media blah blah blah blah blah. Of course Irving may leave or Leonard and who the hell knows?

It does help too if we express some sort of desire as fans to keep Irving here.....never hurts.......

I do think Irving could stay here long term, but if he goes to SA, I think he would bolt. To me Leonard has made it more clear that he wants to be in LA (either team).

The Spurs probably would not even want Irving. Not because he isn't a great player but if they lose Leonard they are going to want to go even younger then Irving. And they know Irving might leave after a year too. And hell Irving might even be too weird for Pops.

Irving is the type of PG you throw on your team if you want to try to win a title.

And yes Irving does want to win titles, he said this past year that just even being in the conversation as a group of contenders isn't good enough, you want to be #1. This idea Irving wants to be the lone guy on a lottery team stat padding is just internet crap. He left Lebron also because Cleveland has been a sinking ship and the owner/management is nuts.

[Duke4life831]

I am going to sound like a mega jerk, but sometimes I wonder if the Celtics sign Gordon Hayward if they had known how good Tatum/Brown would become this past season.

I mean I do like Hayward a lot but sometimes I do wonder if we have always been kinda stuck with him due to his past relationship with Brad?

Then again why feel bad for talking like this about Hayward when real gm, the media and most out there take a dump on a proven champion like Kyrie Irving on a daily basis?

Both Hayward/Horford make A TON of money from the Celtics but they get this big pass. But Kyrie doesn't since he is the weirdo who never says what people want to hear and he apparently has this mythical desire to play and star for the Knicks or Spurs or Suns or the Flat Earth basketball team.

I also keep hearing Kyrie got hurt last year when actually he didn't get hurt. He got the hardware removed from a previous surgery. Sure he could get hurt again but who can't?

Klay even mentioned how it as easier not having Kyrie around this finals. But yeah lets go dump him and hope Rozier or Smart can score 30+ a game vs. the Splash Brothers when they can't even handle a game 7 at home vs. a bad Cavs team.

Kyrie kinda gets the Kobe treatment at times by fans/media. The love or hate relationship. It's kinda odd in general.

Hayward has become criminally underrated on these forums over the past year. He’s a far superior player to Tatum and Brown at this point.

I gotta Agree with that.
Last year (2016-17) Hayward was .471 FG% -- .398 3P% -- .844 FT%

1st round series in the playoffs last year while being guarded by a really good wing defender in Mbah a Moute. 24/7/3 on 47/44/95. This is a guy that is going to be your guys 2nd option on offense. He was a legit top 15-20 player prior to the injury.